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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Moving is the economically sage thing to do if one one's utility function values income over physical proximity to one's friends. If, however, one values proximity over income, one should not move. Both choices have consequences. That's the way it is.
    moving is a massive life change. if i felt that the orange blob's temper tantrum was likely to end in a month or two, i would be unlikely to go through finding a new job / uprooting / selling the house, / finding a new one / dealing with months of mortgage BS / informing my wife that she has to find a new job / informing my kid that it's time for a new school / all of that. it's easier to lean up a little for a couple months and wait it out. this is why i think that there hasn't been a strike.

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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    moving is a massive life change. if i felt that the orange blob's temper tantrum was likely to end in a month or two, i would be unlikely to go through finding a new job / uprooting / selling the house, / finding a new one / dealing with months of mortgage BS / informing my wife that she has to find a new job / informing my kid that it's time for a new school / all of that. it's easier to lean up a little for a couple months and wait it out. this is why i think that there hasn't been a strike.
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    I accept that you think it is. I'm fine with accepting that many others think so too. That is what it is. The implication of it being so merely gives one a qualitative sense of the quantitative value one places on, for whatever reason(s), remaining where one is at the moment.

    Remaining in place being one factor in one's composite utility function or, if one prefers, a discrete element of utility that can be compared with the utility of having income.


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    Fine. What you've shared is a narrative description of the relative utility you have for (1) remaining in place vs. that you have for current income. As above noted, it is entirely your choice to define the utility values for those two things. I'm willing to respect your value assignments of those two elements of utility so long as you are okay with accepting (rather than whining about/bemoaning) the consequences of acting rationally in accordance with the utility values you've chosen to assign to "remaining in place" and "having current income."

    Note: it doesn't matter that you may not have quantified the two utility elements. What matters is that you have determined one is materially more valuable to you than the other.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechan View Post
    Trump should replace them with illegals and change their status to H1B. Americans dont have the market cornered on qualifications.
    That solution approach wouldn't "come online" for several months, even if such an order were today issued. It would take a couple months due to the training (and background checking) lag.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    That solution approach wouldn't "come online" for several months, even if such an order were today issued. It would take a couple months due to the training (and background checking) lag.
    They should strike...Shut it all down
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin4 View Post
    They should strike...Shut it all down
    I didn't and won't go that far.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Red:
    I accept that you think it is. I'm fine with accepting that many others think so too. That is what it is. The implication of it being so merely gives one a qualitative sense of the quantitative value one places on, for whatever reason(s), remaining where one is at the moment.

    Remaining in place being one factor in one's composite utility function or, if one prefers, a discrete element of utility that can be compared with the utility of having income.


    Blue:
    Fine. What you've shared is a narrative description of the relative utility you have for (1) remaining in place vs. that you have for current income. As above noted, it is entirely your choice to define the utility values for those two things. I'm willing to respect your value assignments of those two elements of utility so long as you are okay with accepting (rather than whining about/bemoaning) the consequences of acting rationally in accordance with the utility values you've chosen to assign to "remaining in place" and "having current income."

    Note: it doesn't matter that you may not have quantified the two utility elements. What matters is that you have determined one is materially more valuable to you than the other.
    would you uproot your family and change jobs over a month or two month shutdown? what does that look like? have you considered all of the moving parts in that decision? ever tried to change jobs with no references because you were terminated for striking?

    you asked why more aren't striking and risking termination. i explained.

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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    I didn't and won't go that far.
    Actually it is being discussed....If it continues much longer watch and see a coalition of TSA-Air traffic controllers-Airport personal and pilots start sick outs...Give it little more time
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    would you uproot your family and change jobs over a month or two month shutdown? what does that look like? have you considered all of the moving parts in that decision? ever tried to change jobs with no references because you were terminated for striking?

    you asked why more aren't striking and risking termination. i explained.
    Red:
    • Today/now --> No.
    • About fifteen years or more ago --> Yes.
      • At that point in my life I hadn't reached the point where my family's financial position was secure enough that I could risk being subjected to a protracted period of uncertain duration (which is what this shutdown represents given the irreconcilable and mutually exclusive nature of the differences between/demands of the two sides) without current income. I earned a fine income at the time, but I also had huge cash outflows -- four kids in boarding school, three mortgages, a boat note, leveraged investments, no spousal income to help "weather the storm," so to speak, etc.

        If a shutdown were to have caused my income flows to stop indefinitely, no matter what "rosy" outlook I may have hoped for, I would have sold my firm and taken up work on Wall St. to make sure I didn't compromise the vision I and my kids had for their futures. My kids' futures weren't something I have ever been willing to risk, yet I've been even more risk averse in that regard since my wife's passing.

    As I noted before, you have your utility function. That is what it is. I have mine, and it clearly differs from yours.


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    I don't recall that -- no references -- being among the key drivers to your calculus.

    I just checked...You didn't even allude to such a thing. (BTW, AFAIK, gov't references entail nothing beyond noting that one did indeed work where one stated one has worked and that other objective details of one's representations are factually accurate. They're not at all like private sector professional references...though in the private sector, one's name and reputation generally precedes one.)

    Be that as it may, I don't see why one's prior job performance wouldn't speak for itself.
    Last edited by Xelor; 01-12-19 at 04:07 PM.
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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Red:
    • Today/now --> No.
    • About fifteen years or more ago --> Yes.
      • At that point in my life I hadn't reached the point where my family's financial position was secure enough that I could risk being subjected to a protracted period of uncertain duration (which is what this shutdown represents given the irreconcilable and mutually exclusive nature of the differences between/demands of the two sides) without current income. I earned a fine income at the time, but I also had huge cash outflows -- four kids in boarding school, three mortgages, a boat note, leveraged investments, no spousal income to help "weather the storm," so to speak, etc.

        If a shutdown were to have caused my income flows to stop indefinitely, no matter what "rosy" outlook I may have hoped for, I would have sold my firm and taken up work on Wall St. to make sure I didn't compromise the vision I and my kids had for their futures. My kids' futures weren't something I have ever been willing to risk, yet I've been even more risk averse in that regard since my wife's passing.

    As I noted before, you have your utility function. That is what it is. I have mine, and it clearly differs from yours.


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    Blue:
    I don't recall that -- no references -- being among the key drivers to your calculus.

    I just checked...You didn't even allude to such a thing. (BTW, AFAIK, gov't references entail nothing beyond noting that one did indeed work where one stated one has worked and that other objective details of one's representations are factually accurate. They're not at all like private sector professional references...though in the private sector, one's name and reputation generally precedes one.)

    Be that as it may, I don't see why one's prior job performance wouldn't speak for itself.
    i doubt that they'll get a good recommendation from their superiors if they're fired. my guess is that many will wait it out until waiting it out becomes financially impossible.

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    Re: Has it struck you as odd that certain "essential" yet unpaid gov't workers haven't gone on strik

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    moving is a massive life change. if i felt that the orange blob's temper tantrum was likely to end in a month or two, i would be unlikely to go through finding a new job / uprooting / selling the house, / finding a new one / dealing with months of mortgage BS / informing my wife that she has to find a new job / informing my kid that it's time for a new school / all of that. it's easier to lean up a little for a couple months and wait it out. this is why i think that there hasn't been a strike.
    Typical TSA screener salary is between $29k and $42k, not conducive to being able to just drive/fly to DC and strike/protest and also not very conducive to "toughing it out during lean months". They need every penny of their pay if they don't wish to become homeless.

    Trump is using the weakest and most vulnerable as pawns in his hostage drama, and they are basically now reduced to BEGGING for help.
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