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    Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Hugo Chávez, for all his faults, was a much cannier politician than Donald Trump. Whereas Trump has become notorious for his lack of impulse control, Chávez knew how to bide his time. The work of dismantling the previous regime’s institutions and assuming dictatorial control of society was carried out in a slow, patient, stepwise fashion. It’s hard to imagine Trump having the mastery over his own passions to pull something like that off.

    A man who can be provoked by a tweet is not a man with the patience to dismantle the American republic.

    Mr. Chávez aspired to make his model sustainable, but died without achieving that goal. His habit of choosing loyalty over competence was a fatal mistake. So was entrusting multiple responsibilities to a closed circle of people who were unprepared and unwilling to make hard choices. It nurtures a climate of secrecy and unaccountability, which can be a danger to democracy.

    I’ve seen that same behavior in Donald Trump, who has surrounded himself with family members, giving them jobs for which they have no experience or knowledge. It’s a standard autocratic tactic in order to keep a tight grip on power, stemming from the paranoia that power addiction creates, and the narcissistic belief that no one can do things better.

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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    If Trump charges 2 cents per gallon for domestically produced gasoline, he'll be president for life as well.

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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Hugo Chávez, for all his faults, was a much cannier politician than Donald Trump. Whereas Trump has become notorious for his lack of impulse control, Chávez knew how to bide his time. The work of dismantling the previous regime’s institutions and assuming dictatorial control of society was carried out in a slow, patient, stepwise fashion. It’s hard to imagine Trump having the mastery over his own passions to pull something like that off.

    A man who can be provoked by a tweet is not a man with the patience to dismantle the American republic.

    Mr. Chávez aspired to make his model sustainable, but died without achieving that goal. His habit of choosing loyalty over competence was a fatal mistake. So was entrusting multiple responsibilities to a closed circle of people who were unprepared and unwilling to make hard choices. It nurtures a climate of secrecy and unaccountability, which can be a danger to democracy.

    I’ve seen that same behavior in Donald Trump, who has surrounded himself with family members, giving them jobs for which they have no experience or knowledge. It’s a standard autocratic tactic in order to keep a tight grip on power, stemming from the paranoia that power addiction creates, and the narcissistic belief that no one can do things better.

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    The US is merely a less pliable polity than is Venezuela.

    As for Trump's "mastery over his own passions," if you consider his actions as thematically (not, for the most part, at a detailed level) orchestrated by someone else, his mastery isn't relevant so long as he adheres to the high level themes he's been told to hew to.
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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Hugo Chávez, for all his faults, was a much cannier politician than Donald Trump. Whereas Trump has become notorious for his lack of impulse control, Chávez knew how to bide his time. The work of dismantling the previous regime’s institutions and assuming dictatorial control of society was carried out in a slow, patient, stepwise fashion. It’s hard to imagine Trump having the mastery over his own passions to pull something like that off.

    A man who can be provoked by a tweet is not a man with the patience to dismantle the American republic.

    Mr. Chávez aspired to make his model sustainable, but died without achieving that goal. His habit of choosing loyalty over competence was a fatal mistake. So was entrusting multiple responsibilities to a closed circle of people who were unprepared and unwilling to make hard choices. It nurtures a climate of secrecy and unaccountability, which can be a danger to democracy.

    I’ve seen that same behavior in Donald Trump, who has surrounded himself with family members, giving them jobs for which they have no experience or knowledge. It’s a standard autocratic tactic in order to keep a tight grip on power, stemming from the paranoia that power addiction creates, and the narcissistic belief that no one can do things better.

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    Big difference: Chavez and Maduro both destroyed the Venezuela economy. Trump has revitalized the US economy.

    Sorry, but Trump is no Chavez, nor is he a Maduro.

    When you get right down to it, this guy...

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    ...has more in common with Maduro than Trump does.
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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Trump is more like Fisher Price My First Mussolini.

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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    If you simply remember that Donald is a thug you have little trouble understanding him. His whole take on NATO and allies generally "not paying their fair share" is exactly the perspective of a mafia thug for example. "You need protection. You don't want your shop smashed? You need protection. Pay me and I will protect you."

    Actually more money from allies is not what we want. More money would mean we are even more engaged in what some would call world cop role. Trump really does the job part way and the wrong part at that. We want our allies to do more, to take more responsibility. However insulting them, denigrating them and threatening them is not the way to start that process. Abdicating from our leadership role isn't either. If we want them to take a larger part in their defense which should be the goal, not their paying more for protection, we need to be the ringmaster. We need to coordinate the various roles we want them to play. They all don't have the same talents nor resources.

    In what world does Donald Trump have the intellectual capacity to understand any of that? In what world would the thug Donald not approach virtually every issue as a mafia boss would approach it? This provides another insight ridding oneself of the notion that Trump is a Hitler. He's not smart enough to be a Hitler. Another Himmler or Heydrich, maybe. Hitler, no shot. Trump's not smart enough.

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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Hugo Chávez, for all his faults, was a much cannier politician than Donald Trump. Whereas Trump has become notorious for his lack of impulse control, Chávez knew how to bide his time. The work of dismantling the previous regime’s institutions and assuming dictatorial control of society was carried out in a slow, patient, stepwise fashion. It’s hard to imagine Trump having the mastery over his own passions to pull something like that off.

    A man who can be provoked by a tweet is not a man with the patience to dismantle the American republic.

    Mr. Chávez aspired to make his model sustainable, but died without achieving that goal. His habit of choosing loyalty over competence was a fatal mistake. So was entrusting multiple responsibilities to a closed circle of people who were unprepared and unwilling to make hard choices. It nurtures a climate of secrecy and unaccountability, which can be a danger to democracy.

    I’ve seen that same behavior in Donald Trump, who has surrounded himself with family members, giving them jobs for which they have no experience or knowledge. It’s a standard autocratic tactic in order to keep a tight grip on power, stemming from the paranoia that power addiction creates, and the narcissistic belief that no one can do things better.

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    siiting around the jungle wondering who to shoot or extort next will do that to you.

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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Horn View Post
    siiting around the jungle wondering who to shoot or extort next will do that to you.
    Mind you, anytime you are compared with Chavez and worse still with Maduro, it means you are at the bottom of the well. Maduro has taken Venezuela down a rabbit hold and into the sewers where only rats and cockroaches live.

    In Venezuela, there is no food, their is no medicine, there is no justice and there is no way out. In addition, Maduro is so incompetent that even with their oil richness, they are starving. They can't even produce enough oil to export and they have the largest reserves of oil in the entire world.

    If Trump continues to be President, he will lead us in that direction due to his incompetency and desire to be an autocrat/dictator like Maduro is. The Washington Post comparing Trump to Maduro is probably the biggest insult and the lowest form of comparison there is in the entire world. What does that say about Trump supporters?
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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyone View Post
    Mind you, anytime you are compared with Chavez and worse still with Maduro, it means you are at the bottom of the well. Maduro has taken Venezuela down a rabbit hold and into the sewers where only rats and cockroaches live.

    In Venezuela, there is no food, their is no medicine, there is no justice and there is no way out. In addition, Maduro is so incompetent that even with their oil richness, they are starving. They can't even produce enough oil to export and they have the largest reserves of oil in the entire world.

    If Trump continues to be President, he will lead us in that direction due to his incompetency and desire to be an autocrat/dictator like Maduro is. The Washington Post comparing Trump to Maduro is probably the biggest insult and the lowest form of comparison there is in the entire world. What does that say about Trump supporters?
    You said Chavez. Maduro dint have a lot to work with.

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    Re: Donald Trump is no Hugo Chávez. He’s more like Nicolás Maduro.

    Lets compare our leaders to misfits and vagabonds Alex, for $1,800 please

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