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Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

Trumpkins is childish.

You should be would be embarrassed by your behavior if you were better.

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It's the slur I allow myself.

And, BTW, Trumpkins are puerile.
 
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It's the slur I allow myself.

And, BTW, Trumpkins are puerile.

Ya Ya....You like to stir the **** in your old age but you were always alright.

We should be Friends you know...
 
The parties negotiating is irrelevant to the thread, it is because the OP/thread is about the people, the individuals, not the parties. The people who are Trumpkins happen to belong to the GOP, but it's the Trumpkins who the OP/thread are about.

I happen to like Trump. I happen to hate waste, idiocy and corruption.

Those things listed above that I hate are the things driving the people that line up to oppose Trump.

Most if not all people that are employed by our Federal Government are in a union. Unions can expect there to be work stoppages. Absent outlandish stupidity, there are funds set aside from union dues to pay union members when work stoppages occur.

Did the Federal Employee unions create this set aside? Of course not. It was never needed because this is the first time ever that they actually missed a check and they all get the back pay anyway.

All of that aside, though, I'm so pleased that you dismiss about half of the country as being "stupid, intransigent, gullible-ass "mofos." You must be a Liberal!

Enlightened, dismissive, elitist and wrong.
 
Ignorant partisans probably applies to around 90% of those who affiliate with both major parties. Most of those are like robots when following their party's leaders. You can take it policy by policy. With Trump most Republicans back his policies, most Democrats oppose them. Hardly no one takes each policy on its merits. The same thing occurred during Obama. Most Democrats supported his policies, most Republicans opposed them. Again merits of the policy wasn't even considered by the partisans of both parties.

This is nothing new. Not in today's day and age. Partisanship, loyalty to party does blind folks who are members of that party. They see politics and in general, the world through deep red or blue tinted glasses. Neither sees clearly. The R and the D become the most important letters in the world. One's good, the other is evil. which one is good or evil depends which one you are.

This battle over the wall is asinine to me, as is the shutdown. Everyone knew long before the shutdown occurred that Trump had said he wouldn't sign another spending bill without funds for the wall. More than enough time to work out a compromise. If Reagan and Tip O'Neal could work out compromise after compromise on Reagan's SDI funding, so too could Trump, Pelosi and Schumer. The will has to be there to do so. Today, there is no will. Then again, partisanship wasn't as high in the Reagan/O'Neal era as it is today. Neither Ronnie or Tip had egos as big as the moon either. Not like Trump, Pelosi and Schumer.

When political party triumphs country, you get shutdowns over 5 billion dollars out of a total of 4 trillion that will be spent this year by our government. It's not the money this fight is over. It all about both sides giving the other side nothing of what they want while getting 100% of what you want. Hence no give and take, no compromise.

Adults could have worked this thing out long ago and avoided the shutdown completely. But when party politics entry the fray, common sense goes out the window.
Trump has moved his position, Pelosi and Schumer have refused to budge. That's not a negotiation. There is nothing left to do but wait for the Democrats to make an offer that includes them giving up something Trump wants.

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Because you either did not look at the actual polling data linked or did not understand nor process what you were looking at.
 
Trump has moved his position, Pelosi and Schumer have refused to budge. That's not a negotiation. There is nothing left to do but wait for the Democrats to make an offer that includes them giving up something Trump wants.

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What position? Care to describe it? Do you mean from solid construction Wall to slats? Heck Trump changes that from one minute to the next. In fact Friday, according to Trump, solid construction was back as an option.
 
What position? Care to describe it? Do you mean from solid construction Wall to slats? Heck Trump changes that from one minute to the next. In fact Friday, according to Trump, solid construction was back as an option.
You just admitted to one movement he made in an effort to compromise with them. How about you provide one of the movements toward a compromise that the Democrats have made.

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Sorry but your polls dont support your idiotic assertions. But keep trying. Frankly, the idea that 88% democrats think the shutdown will 'hurt the country' only shows how stupid democrats are.

Democrats will try to pin the shutdown and the slowing of the economy on the GOPs. Rather they do that than actually doing anything about the border.

What pisses dems off the most (and Never-Trumpers) in this shutdown mess is, IMO, Trump is not accepting border enforcement be kicked down the road.
 
You just admitted to one movement he made in an effort to compromise with them. How about you provide one of the movements toward a compromise that the Democrats have made.

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Trump didn't make a change...he simply made another of his non-commital commitments. Like I said, according to Trump himself, solid construction is still under consideration. By the way, Slats was not a dem request. That is another Trump lie. CBP would prefer to be able to see through any additional physical barrier at the border. Somebody finally clued Donald into that though it has been known by anybody that has actually followed border barrier technology and the CBP for any amount of time at all.
 
I happen to like Trump. I happen to hate waste, idiocy and corruption.

Those things listed above that I hate are the things driving the people that line up to oppose Trump.

Most if not all people that are employed by our Federal Government are in a union. Unions can expect there to be work stoppages. Absent outlandish stupidity, there are funds set aside from union dues to pay union members when work stoppages occur.

Did the Federal Employee unions create this set aside? Of course not. It was never needed because this is the first time ever that they actually missed a check and they all get the back pay anyway.

All of that aside, though, I'm so pleased that you dismiss about half of the country as being "stupid, intransigent, gullible-ass "mofos." You must be a Liberal!

Enlightened, dismissive, elitist and wrong.

Ignorance reigns supreme amongs the strongest ideologues of any flavor. Quick google on your claim that most federal government employees belong to unions - according to the Daily Caller, a website seen as being on the right. "the percentage of unionized federal employees dropped from 27.5 percent in 2014 to 27.3 percent in 2015."

Maybe you believe that those in the majority in 2015, all signed up for a union membership in January 2017, but that does seem improbable.
 
Democrats will try to pin the shutdown and the slowing of the economy on the GOPs. Rather they do that than actually doing anything about the border.


The Dem position is not that we do nothing at the border. Their position is that a Wall is flat stupid outside of the places where when integrated with other assets it makes some sense. Those are in the main border urban areas, where it is already installed.
 
What position? Care to describe it? Do you mean from solid construction Wall to slats? Heck Trump changes that from one minute to the next. In fact Friday, according to Trump, solid construction was back as an option.

You just admitted to one movement he made in an effort to compromise with them. How about you provide one of the movements toward a compromise that the Democrats have made.
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What? Are you seriously asserting that the shift from concrete to steel bollard fencing (slats) constitutes a positional move?

If that's your idea of a concession:

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The Dem position is not that we do nothing at the border. Their position is that a Wall is flat stupid outside of the places where when integrated with other assets it makes some sense. Those are in the main border urban areas, where it is already installed.

Put forward you plan to secure the border then. Show me where walls won't work because I can show you where they do.
 
WTH is with you people? In some 40 posts, only one member actually managed to muster on-topic remarks. Did the rest of you not understand that the OP uses the poll to illustrate/support by way of inference, not direct assertion, a point distinct from anything found in the poll?

Folks are posting about the border, the shutdown, Trump, and a host of other things. The thread is about none of those things.
 
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Mine isn't a "they suck" theme. It's a "they're dumber than the day is long" theme.

It's no surprise you don't know what be the OP's theme insofar as you've demurred to read it.​

In my experience, people who run around claiming to be smart, aren't. If they were, there'd be no need to run around claiming it at every opportunity.
 
Put forward you plan to secure the border then. Show me where walls won't work because I can show you where they do.

Its not my responsibility to put forward any position though if you have kept up with these Wall related threads you would have noticed that I have put the same one forward in several posts in different threads. Try to keep up.

In fact I have a better one for you. Backtrack through Media traffic and find Tx. Republican Rep Will Hurd's position. Only don't cherry pick. Take it all or none of it. He only has more Southern border by far in his congressional district than any other Representative from either party. You won't find him all aflutter about Trump's absurd Wall.
 
WTH is with you people? In some 40 posts, only one member actually managed to muster on-topic remarks. Did the rest of you not understand that the OP uses the poll to illustrate/support by way of inference, not direct assertion, a point distinct from anything found in the poll?

Folks are posting about the border, the shutdown, Trump, and a host of other things. The thread is about none of those things.

I think we all posting that dems are purely gullible and ignorant partisans.
 
TY for a topically germane response.

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I suppose; however, that's a profound sum of extant and entrenched ignorance if it's enough to explain the dichotomy I noted.
I read the below linked-to poll and I started thinking about what might drive, not the actual responses folks gave, but the difference in some of the answers, particularly the differences between Republicans and Independents. Seeing those differences, I realized there shouldn't be an exogenous information-oriented reason for the difference because those catalysts are essentially the same. That means the differences must preponderantly be driven by endogenous disparities among the respondents and how they process (or don't) information.​
Partisan explains Republican v. Democrat variances of opinion. Is current partisanship that profound among GOP-ers?

Maybe the answer is "yes," but among the GOP-ers I know (former colleagues, neighbors, former classmates, and social friends/acquaintances) that's not the case. The thing is that the folks I know well enough to know their politics aren't part of society's "norm," so I can't very well extrapolate their thoughts and ideas to society at large as I can the data from a poll.

numbers are important and they can give us a breakdown on how each party views a certain issue, subject, policy. Also those whom do not affiliate with either party. But as you stated or implied, it can't get inside their heads. I suppose if enough questions are asked, one could determine why.

Independents are usually my gauge in determining where middle America stands. Usually around 80-90% of republicans and democrats will back their party's stance on any issue or one could also apply that to a president of their party. Nothing new there. The border wall, 80% of republicans are for it, 77% of Democrats oppose it. Question 18. Very partisan and hard core stances when it comes to the two major parties.

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Independents, 34% for 45% against. That's probably in my view as to where middle America stands. A Plurality against the wall. It's also interesting 21% answered not sure or just don't give a dang. If you go to question 34A,B and C. Independents only, 39% blame Democrats in congress a lot, 38% blame Republicans in congress a lot, 56% blame Trump a lot. I left out a little, that kind of wishy washy. Trump's gets more of the blame, but every one gets some. That I think is what it should be.

One last thing with independents, middle America, the non-affiliated. Question 36, Needs to compromise. 32% say Democrats in congress, 19% Republicans in congress and 56% say President Trump. Not surprisingly, 76% of republicans say the democrats in congress need to compromise. 80% of Democrats say Trump needs to compromise.

This makes me wonder, what is a compromise between Trump and the Democrats, Schumer and Pelosi? Is it Trump gets his 5 billion and the Democrats nothing or is it Trump get nothing which is exactly what the Democrats want? Is there room to compromise between the two major parties? Are either willing to? 2.5 billion would split it right down the middle. Each side gives up 2.5 billion. I think at the moment this is personal, between Trump, Pelosi and Schumer along with their supporters.

Reagan and Tip O'Neal were always able to work out compromises on whatever subject, issue or policy. Particular SDI. But neither Tip nor Ronnie took political battles personal. Times have changed.
 
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OK, more on topic.

Recent studies show that we - humans - hate to admit it when we are wrong. The more tightly-held an individual's beliefs, the less likely they will admit to being in error. No one, president or not, wants to admit to wrongdoing, at least not publicly. True for those on the left and on the right.

One problem arises when those on one end of the spectrum create definitions which place all of their opponents on the extreme end of the lineup, even when those unengaged in the debate may see some of those characterised as 'extreme, as actually being moderate.
 
Its not my responsibility to put forward any position though if you have kept up with these Wall related threads you would have noticed that I have put the same one forward in several posts in different threads. Try to keep up.

In fact I have a better one for you. Backtrack through Media traffic and find Tx. Republican Rep Will Hurd's position. Only don't cherry pick. Take it all or none of it. He only has more Southern border by far in his congressional district than any other Representative from either party. You won't find him all aflutter about Trump's absurd Wall.

Since you don't think walls work 100% of the time (and I can show were they do) should, for example, drones be discontinued because they aren't 100% effective in preventing illegal immigration? Should, for example, E-Verify be discontinued because it isn't 100% effective in preventing illegal immigration? Should, for example, revoking all temporary visas (if that were proposed) be discontinued because it isn't 100% effective in preventing illegal immigration?

BTW, how much is the US spending on the effects of illegal immigration? The medical, the education the (ahem) Social Security benefits? I'd wager it's more than 5 billion for the wall.

He's an idea: let's combine the wall, E-Verify, stopping temporary visas, drones, etc. to prevent illegal immigration.
 
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Ignorance reigns supreme amongs the strongest ideologues of any flavor. Quick google on your claim that most federal government employees belong to unions - according to the Daily Caller, a website seen as being on the right. "the percentage of unionized federal employees dropped from 27.5 percent in 2014 to 27.3 percent in 2015."

Maybe you believe that those in the majority in 2015, all signed up for a union membership in January 2017, but that does seem improbable.

I stand corrected.

Thank you!
 
Its not my responsibility to put forward any position though if you have kept up with these Wall related threads you would have noticed that I have put the same one forward in several posts in different threads. Try to keep up.

In fact I have a better one for you. Backtrack through Media traffic and find Tx. Republican Rep Will Hurd's position. Only don't cherry pick. Take it all or none of it. He only has more Southern border by far in his congressional district than any other Representative from either party. You won't find him all aflutter about Trump's absurd Wall.
Do you think there is an immigration crisis at the southern border?
 
Do you think there is an immigration crisis at the southern border?

No.

Unless you think that the fact illegal apprehensions have decreased since Trump entered office means there is an "immigration crisis" Do you believe that the Border Patrol and ICE aren't doing their jobs as well as they did during the Obama years?
 
No.

Unless you think that the fact illegal apprehensions have decreased since Trump entered office means there is an "immigration crisis" Do you believe that the Border Patrol and ICE aren't doing their jobs as well as they did during the Obama years?

Is there a cause for concern for immigration problems in America?

BTW, how many undocumenteds are in the US, right now?
 
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