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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Do you think there is an immigration crisis at the southern border?
    I think that there is a continuation of the usual problems endemic to the border area, and a growing refugee crisis, and I think that it is convenient to blur the distinction between refugees and illegal immigration, while I stay mindful of the fact that we nor any other country can possibly save ALL the refugees. But most countries do not intentionally blur the distinction.

    For the record, I am not against building more walls. I am, however, dead set against negotiating with hostage takers, particularly when the hostage taker is Donald Trump, who will no doubt use the tactic repeatedly and with great gusto if it succeeds this first time with the Democrats.
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Howso?
    Now switching to "gas-light" mode...
    Do you have any other tricks? You appear to have worn that one to a frazzle.
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    Originally Posted by Perotista
    In order not to derail your thread, I'll just say I find it very hard to understand how an issue, subject etc. can gain so much importance to both major parties that both are willing to let the government shut down until, when ever it ends. For me, the wall is an idiotic reason one way or the other to shut down the government. I'll just add this, it seems to me that Trump supporters are pure supporters of the man, not of an ideology or a political philosophy, he doesn't have one.
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    That has a lot to do with why I think them nitwits. That characteristic of their approbation of Trump may be inferable from the poll I referenced.
    I don't think they are nitwits. And they are not completely without philosophy or ideology. Don't underestimate them.

    They are a powerful, visceral backlash against the decreasing cultural hegemony of white, Christian (protestant denominations, mostly), men in this country. They see this as a cultural war, and they feel under siege. That is the true underlying pivotal ideology and philosophy. It frightens them. And Donald Trump has done an admirable job talking to those fears and anxieties with dog whistles (and occasional bullhorns too!). They will support anyone who acknowledges those anxieties and fears, and whom they think will move the country in a direction back from the precipice of this nightmare of a truly pluralistic, tolerant, just, and equal society. The other stuff about deficits or healthcare or whatever other nonsense, don't really matter, as long as this main issue is addressed. All that other stuff is the ideologies and philosophies they could care less about.

    Why do you think that all we are talking about today is "the wall", and we are no longer talking about healthcare, or the deficits, or the opioid crisis, or any of that other stuff? Why do you think they could care less if he changes his mind 7 times a day on any of those other issues? It's because all that other stuff was never the real issues they were truly concerned about to begin with. Donald Trump astutely and cleverly identified and addressed what the rest of us missed completely: This massive problem lying just underneath the surface, and the true source of the pain. And that's why he is now president and we are not.
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    Excuse me boss.. but trump is a putin asset first.... we have bigger problems in this country about people dying than on the border .. prescripition drugs , heath care costs, crazy American killers, bad water, work the numbers of people dying ,, not the hate of Mexicans then we can put up a fence......thats what we need to work on first!!!
    Sounds like you have the elements of a deal listed.

    Now, if only the Democrats would stop their blind hating and start negotiating, we might be able to get something done.

    If only...

    Human trafficking enslaves or kills more than 100,000 near the border. There are about 70,000 deaths due directly to drug overdoses from all sources. The illegal drug trade in Mexico and the US employs more people than any other major corporation.

    Living in Indianapolis, nick named "Nap Town" for years, there is rarely a week that passes that does not have a story on local news about illegal drugs.

    I'm continuously amused by people like you that hate Trump so completely that you can't see that he is trying to do things to slow, stop or eliminate misery among his people: The Citizens of the USA.

    There are real world, actual problems causing real world misery for many at the border based on unregulated, un-legal and uncontrolled border crossings by many bad people.

    That is, however, the truth of the matter and is, as a result, not reported to the leftist that oppose Trump.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...n12-story.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-fentanyl-cdc

    https://drugabuse.com/library/drug-t...ug-trafficking
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Some studies of the undocumented aliens in the US have found a net positive benefit for the economy. What I see as the best estimates of their numbers is in the range of 10.5 to 12 million.
    Why estimates? What's the actual number of undocumenteds in the US? The US spends money on undocumenteds for education, health care and Social Security benefits, for examples, which is more than the 5 billion asked for the wall.

    How about this? Completely stop the flow of undocumenteds and resultant drain on US economy and the wall won't be needed.

    Can you explain, again, why there is no crisis at the southern border?
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Sounds like you have the elements of a deal listed.

    Now, if only the Democrats would stop their blind hating and start negotiating, we might be able to get something done.

    If only...

    Human trafficking enslaves or kills more than 100,000 near the border. There are about 70,000 deaths due directly to drug overdoses from all sources. The illegal drug trade in Mexico and the US employs more people than any other major corporation.

    Living in Indianapolis, nick named "Nap Town" for years, there is rarely a week that passes that does not have a story on local news about illegal drugs.

    I'm continuously amused by people like you that hate Trump so completely that you can't see that he is trying to do things to slow, stop or eliminate misery among his people: The Citizens of the USA.

    There are real world, actual problems causing real world misery for many at the border based on unregulated, un-legal and uncontrolled border crossings by many bad people.

    That is, however, the truth of the matter and is, as a result, not reported to the leftist that oppose Trump.

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...n12-story.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...s-fentanyl-cdc

    https://drugabuse.com/library/drug-t...ug-trafficking
    Negotiating over what....a border wall that only exists between his ears and that he himself cannot even describe. Sorry....Trump can present an actual proposal to Congress and allow it to go through the Appropriations process if he wants his Wall. But hint hint...if he actually wanted a wall that is what he would have done when he had GOP majorities in House and Senate. Donald is not king. He does not get to subvert process.

    Kindly leave the Obama false equivalencies behind. They don't count. A Deferred Action Exec Order is not Subverting the actual process of Appropriations and the power of the purse held by Congress. Not even close.

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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    One can easily make the case that our failure to dissuade these people from making such an arduous and dangerous journey is immoral.
    Yes. And that immorality would fall on the left in the US and elsewhere. Additionally, deaths of sick children and all molestation should fall on the shoulders of the left in the US and elsewhere.
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    Maybe you missed it - Trump accepted blame/credit for the shutdown, so "trump shutdown" is apt.
    Excess taxes due to reducing carbon emissions is worthwhile to you. I can only deduce you don't think there is a crisis on the border, a crisis of illegal immigration.
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Negotiating over what....a border wall that only exists between his ears and that he himself cannot even describe. Sorry....Trump can present an actual proposal to Congress and allow it to go through the Appropriations process if he wants his Wall. But hint hint...if he actually wanted a wall that is what he would have done when he had GOP majorities in House and Senate. Donald is not king. He does not get to subvert process.

    Kindly leave the Obama false equivalencies behind. They don't count. A Deferred Action Exec Order is not Subverting the actual process of Appropriations and the power of the purse held by Congress. Not even close.
    He proposed the funding for the wall but the Dems in the Senate blocked it.

    I didn't mention Obama in any part of the post to which you responded. Are your meds balanced correctly?

    There are real world problems based on issues at the border including human enslavement, deaths, drug addiction and illegal crossings.

    Which of these are you saying is not happening?

    The problem with our modern day leftists like you is that you live in a world that doesn't exist. Real problems are not worth looking at and imagined problems are in need of immediate solution.

    Why is that?
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    Re: Trumpkins are gullible-ass SOBs, that or they're just purely ignorant partisans

    Quote Originally Posted by <alt>doxygen View Post
    Maybe you missed it - Trump accepted blame/credit for the shutdown, so "trump shutdown" is apt.
    So, you admit the dems are resisting the wall just to make political points against Trump?
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