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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Trump is intentionally harming people to coerce others into giving him what he wants.
    And it add insult to injury he is doing this harm to coerce others into giving him something he pledged he would never ask for.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    And it add insult to injury he is doing this harm to coerce others into giving him something he pledged he would never ask for.
    He thinks it's harming mostly Democrats. As do most right wingers. So they think this is good, unless it hurts them directly. Because ultimately, conservatism is an ideology based on inflicting harm onto one's perceived enemies.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    He thinks it's harming mostly Democrats. As do most right wingers. So they think this is good, unless it hurts them directly. Because ultimately, conservatism is an ideology based on inflicting harm onto one's perceived enemies.
    I consider myself a moderate so not a con, but I think you are wrong. Many of the real conservatives in this country are appalled at what they see Trump and his followers are doing both to the country and to the GOP which these conservatives built. They went off the tracks when they allowed the Tea Party to take over the party and now have to live with that decision. That decision has lead them to a party who now considers everyone who does not think as they do as the enemy and tries to destroy them. They have become the win at any cost, even to befriending an enemy of this country to help them win an electiion, because winning and the party seems to be more important than country.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

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    Have the House pass all of the bills with sufficient votes to over ride a veto and without the wall but with 7 billion in additional funding for border security. Then McConnell allows a vote on the bills and insure that there are sufficient number of GOP votes to over ride a veto. The Senate GOPers who would vote for the bills would be those with a great number of government workers in their districts that could give them cover for their votes. Trump could allow the bills to lay on his desk for the days needed for them to become law without his signature. The government would open and the Dems could claim they did not give in to the wall. Trump could claim he did not give in to the Dems and that the Legislative branch forced his hand and he would somehow get the wall built in the future. All of the legislators could go back to their districts and say they have helped secure our borders by the huge increase in funding for that purpose. No one would lose and the American people would be back in business.


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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    I consider myself a moderate so not a con, but I think you are wrong. Many of the real conservatives in this country are appalled at what they see Trump and his followers are doing both to the country and to the GOP which these conservatives built. They went off the tracks when they allowed the Tea Party to take over the party and now have to live with that decision. That decision has lead them to a party who now considers everyone who does not think as they do as the enemy and tries to destroy them. They have become the win at any cost, even to befriending an enemy of this country to help them win an electiion, because winning and the party seems to be more important than country.
    Until they vote out these people, any claims to such moderation are just words.
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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Give me what I want or I will hurt people" isn't compromise. That's terrorism.
    Well the house didn't even try to compromise. They said absolutely no funding at all for the wall. I would have walked out of that too that's a bad deal. someone gets everything they want and you get nothing.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    Well the house didn't even try to compromise. They said absolutely no funding at all for the wall. I would have walked out of that too that's a bad deal. someone gets everything they want and you get nothing.
    More people in this country do not want the wall or to pay for it. If Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall, so be it. Until then let us spend the money we have available for the methods that work to keep our borders safe. No one with a brain thinks that the wall will help in keeping our borders safe. It is nothing but a political promise that Trump sees as his way of getting reelected.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    More people in this country do not want the wall or to pay for it. If Trump can get Mexico to pay for the wall, so be it. Until then let us spend the money we have available for the methods that work to keep our borders safe. No one with a brain thinks that the wall will help in keeping our borders safe. It is nothing but a political promise that Trump sees as his way of getting reelected.
    this will only look good for Trump and Republicans. If Democrats block the wall he can say he tried the Democrats obstructed. Either way he comes out smelling like roses.

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