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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Give and take, that's the way it used to work. That's the way it is suppose to work. Right now both sides are refusing to give, both just want to take. We could work something out, but those in Washington...politics have gotten way too crazy. As has partisanship.

    Give and take. Right.

    But if Trump is the only one who gets anything, that's not give and take.

    No incentive for him not to rape a million Americans again whenever he takes a fancy.



    If Trump is going to take these billions (that he promised he would never ask for), then he needs to pony up and put something worthwhile on the table.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Give and take. Right.

    But if Trump is the only one who gets anything, that's not give and take.

    No incentive for him not to rape a million Americans again whenever he takes a fancy.



    If Trump is going to take these billions (that he promised he would never ask for), then he needs to pony up and put something worthwhile on the table.
    It takes two to tango.
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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    It takes two to tango.
    What does that mean?

    If someone takes something they have no right to, and you pay them money to get it back, then that's not give and take.

    But if you refuse to pay them money to get it back, you get told it takes two to tango?



    Whatever.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Build the wall. The country wins.
    The country spends 25 billion dollars it does not have and will have to borrow from the Chinese. And to top that all off, the wall will not stop anything.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    McConnell wouldn't allow that vote. One has to remember he is up for reelection in 2020 in a state where Trump approval rating is 55%. Trump's approval rating nationally is 42%. Going against Trump would pretty much guarantee McConnell is primaried out of office. Kentucky is an R plus 15 state. Meaning Kentucky is 15 points higher than the national average Republican. Going against Trump would be the death wish come true for McConnell.

    In plain English, going against Trump ends McConnell's senate career.
    I think I read that McConnell's last polling in Kentucky showed him at 18%. Nothing he does can save him and he will be primaried no matter what. He can use this to look like the country's savior rather than an ineffective Trump boot licker.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    The House Dems cannot override a veto. Not even CLOSE.

    So be "WE", you mean the ILLEGALOCRATS, not the American People.
    You already have 8 Gopers jump ship on these bills. If McConnell shows a williingness to have a vote, I think you would easily have a veto proof vote with many of the GOPers in the House going with the Dems.

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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    The country spends 25 billion dollars it does not have and will have to borrow from the Chinese. And to top that all off, the wall will not stop anything.
    We already spend $100 billion a year on illegal aliens. Sounds like a hell of a savings, to me.
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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Have the House pass all of the bills with sufficient votes to over ride a veto and without the wall but with 7 billion in additional funding for border security. Then McConnell allows a vote on the bills and insure that there are sufficient number of GOP votes to over ride a veto. The Senate GOPers who would vote for the bills would be those with a great number of government workers in their districts that could give them cover for their votes. Trump could allow the bills to lay on his desk for the days needed for them to become law without his signature. The government would open and the Dems could claim they did not give in to the wall. Trump could claim he did not give in to the Dems and that the Legislative branch forced his hand and he would somehow get the wall built in the future. All of the legislators could go back to their districts and say they have helped secure our borders by the huge increase in funding for that purpose. No one would lose and the American people would be back in business.
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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We already spend $100 billion a year on illegal aliens. Sounds like a hell of a savings, to me.
    You still believe those numbers, eh?
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    Re: How to end this with most being "winners"?

    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Have the House pass all of the bills with sufficient votes to over ride a veto and without the wall
    If it's without the wall that isn't a compromise. So that is not a win for everybody.

    This isn't about presenting an alternative to the wall it's about blocking Trump from building the wall because that was one of his campaign issues. That's all this is.

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