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    Trump Is Totally Lost on the Shutdown

    Trump Is Totally Lost on the Shutdown



    1/11/19
    Just how lost is the White House in trying to avoid a humiliating defeat for President Donald Trump in the shutdown showdown? According to Chad Pergram of Fox News, it’s trying to divert disaster-relief funding — intended to cover wildfires in California and hurricanes in Florida, Puerto Rico and Texas — to build Trump’s border wall. It’s hard to convey how self-defeating this would be. The Republican leader in the House, who Trump desperately needs to keep on board, is from California. Diverting money from his constituents to fund the president’s obsession is perhaps the best way to drive him away. Then there’s the Electoral College. No, Puerto Rico doesn’t get to vote, and California is long gone for Republicans. But Florida was one of the closest states for Trump in 2016; losing its 29 electoral votes would mean he’d have virtually no margin of error in the next election. And while he won Texas by a wider margin, Representative Beto O’Rourke’s impressive run for Senate last year suggests that the Lone Star state may be getting more competitive. Sure, the election is 22 months away, and few things a president could do at this point would directly affect what voters do then. But taking away disaster-relief money? We have no idea what kind of electoral effect that would have because no president has ever done anything that stupid.

    Now Trump is considering declaring a national emergency. Josh Chafetz correctly notes that doing so would be a retreat, not a victory. It would start a legal battle that would continue beyond 2020, leaving Trump able to blame the courts (rather than his own inept bargaining skills) for failing to achieve his most prominent campaign promise. Unfortunately for him, it has dawned on several Republicans that allowing a president to unilaterally declare a phony emergency any time he disagrees with Congress may not set a great precedent. So it’s not even clear that he can keep a united front willing to pretend the retreat is a glorious win. The funny thing is that, ego aside, it’s unlikely that Trump would actually damage himself if he just agreed to reopen the government while negotiations over the wall dragged on. Sure, anti-immigration folks wouldn’t like it. But most people would forget the whole thing in a few days. The longer this goes on, though, the more people will start suffering real personal harm. And most of them are going to hold Trump responsible.
    Using the "national disaster" gambit as a method to workaround Congress would be a seminal event, perhaps on a disaster par with Citizens United.

    As usual, Trump isn't thinking ahead. Both parties can play that wicked game.

    Related: Trump the Toddler


    We are now in → Day 30 ← of the Donald Trump/Mitch McConnell government shutdown.

    "I can't just reopen the government .. I would look foolish if I did that." - Donald J. Trump

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    Re: Trump Is Totally Lost on the Shutdown

    Noted, thanks.

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    Re: Trump Is Totally Lost on the Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Trump Is Totally Lost on the Shutdown





    Using the "national disaster" gambit as a method to workaround Congress would be a seminal event, perhaps on a disaster par with Citizens United.

    As usual, Trump isn't thinking ahead. Both parties can play that wicked game.

    Related: Trump the Toddler
    I keep seeing these kinds of stories being pushed, as if there is some problem with "war-gaming" possible options to try to achieve a goal.

    Of course Trump is going to seek solutions to his problems. Of course people in his Administration are going to raise suggestions and discuss options.

    That does not mean any of them will actually go into effect.

    I say this over and over again, all of this "speculation" is designed just to stir up animosity by creating and maintaining as negative a picture as possible.

    IMO if it had been one of the opposition's "heroes" in office battling against a recalcitrant Congress, and stories of options to achieve their goals were being considered, both the Press and the current opposition would be putting the most positive spin on it.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Trump Is Totally Lost on the Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I say this over and over again, all of this "speculation" is designed just to stir up animosity by creating and maintaining as negative a picture as possible.
    I don't know if you have a TV, Notebook, or cellphone at home. It seems not.

    But just to fill you in, it has been Trump threatening since last Saturday to declare a "national emergency".

    If Trump threatens it, why then yes, there will be speculation on the possible ramifications.


    We are now in → Day 30 ← of the Donald Trump/Mitch McConnell government shutdown.

    "I can't just reopen the government .. I would look foolish if I did that." - Donald J. Trump

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