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Trumpsters, if Trump and his people worked with Russians to win the election, okay with you?

ultmd said:
:lamoYou're wating here, huh? Ok, great.

What are you waiting on, exactly? That was just a DUMB argument, above.

No, the Clinton campaign did not work with the Russian. Sorry. You can't just lie, and expect to get away with it, here. We know...for a FACT....that the Trump campaign DID work with the Russians and "Kremlin-link" enemies of the U.S.. That's the crux of the Manafort indictments.

Sorry, again...but there has not been ONE major detail of the Steele Report that has been discredited. On the contrary, almost everything that has been evaluated, has been corroborated.

No, the FISA warrants were NOT illegal. Sorry.

Be careful, you are approaching Alex Jones level wingnuttery, now.
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Approaching?
 
depends on what "working with" means.

technically Russia is not an enemy of the US, we are not at war with them, right?

therefore IF you can PROVE beyond the shadow of a doubt that he engaged in conspiracy with Russia to illegally RIG the US election process, then I am all for impeaching him and allowing Mike Pence to take over as acting president.

short of that, forget it. I don't care if they talked about public election data. As far as I understand it , that's not a crime and shouldn't be.

it sure seems like they are dragging this out as far as they can though. the only reason I can think of to do that is because no real evidence.
 
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Fletch said:
No thats not Trutherism, its the presumption of innocence.
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That's true if that's all you were saying. He might be guilty, but claiming that Manafort is the one responsible is not presuming innocence either, it's making judgments based on nothing but your suspicions.

You might claim it's Manafort and I might claim it's Trump, but until the investigation is complete no one knows what actually took place...
 
Hypothetical said:
depends on what "working with" means.

technically Russia is not an enemy of the US, we are not at war with them, right?

therefore IF you can PROVE beyond the shadow of a doubt that he engaged in conspiracy with Russia to illegally RIG the US election process, then I am all for impeaching him and allowing Mike Pence to take over as acting president.

short of that, forget it. I don't care if they talked about public election data. As far as I understand it , that's not a crime and shouldn't be.
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:lamo
Who cares what you understand ?

If it's proven that Trump collaborated with the Russians to gain ANY advantage in the 2016 election, he should be not serve another day in office...and should probably be in jail.

That said, I'm sure you would love to see Mike Pence become POTUS, but that's not going to happen either. Chance are, if Trump does go do (which is very doubtful given the state of mind and lack of spine of GOP'ers in the Senate), Pence will ultimately be caught up as well. So, be careful what you wish for.

it sure seems like they are dragging this out as far as they can though. the only reason I can think of to do that is because no real evidence.
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Lol, I'm sure that's the only reason YOU can think of...but that reflects your state of mind moreso than anything approaching an objective analysis.

The Watergate investigation lasted 4 years.
Ken Star's investigation of the Clintons lasted 6 years.
The Iran-Contra investigation lasted 6 years.
The Scooter Libby/Plamegate Investigation lasted almost 4 years.
The Mike Espy corruption investigation (during Clinton years) lasted 6 yeats.
Henry Cisneros (HUD) mistress investigation in the 90's lasted NINE years.

Mueller's investigation has lasted 2+ years, and has already resulted in 35 indictments (including 5 high ranking Trump campaign officials) 13 Russian nationals, 12 Russian intelligence officers, 5 Russian companies, and 3 or 4 other individuals. And that's in just TWO YEARS.

That is more than ALL previous Special Counsel type investigation of the last 40 years, except for Watergate (which ultimately resulted in 68 indictments and 45+ convictions).

So, let's be clear. The only reason some people think the Mueller investigation has gone on too long is because they are Trump loyalists. These are people who are more loyal to their ideology than to their country.
 
Hypothetical said:
depends on what "working with" means.

technically Russia is not an enemy of the US, we are not at war with them, right?

therefore IF you can PROVE beyond the shadow of a doubt that he engaged in conspiracy with Russia to illegally RIG the US election process, then I am all for impeaching him and allowing Mike Pence to take over as acting president.

short of that, forget it. I don't care if they talked about public election data. As far as I understand it , that's not a crime and shouldn't be.

it sure seems like they are dragging this out as far as they can though. the only reason I can think of to do that is because no real evidence.
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Ah, A true Trump cultist. No smoking gun or tape and all "fake News". And even if there is a smoking gun, still all "fake news". You can believe the stupidest conspiracy theories about Obama or Hillary, but not the truth about Trump. Like I said, a true Trump cultist.
 
ultmd said:
:lamo
Who cares what you understand ?

If it's proven that Trump collaborated with the Russians to gain ANY advantage in the 2016 election, he should be not serve another day in office...and should probably be in jail.

That said, I'm sure you would love to see Mike Pence become POTUS, but that's not going to happen either. Chance are, if Trump does go do (which is very doubtful given the state of mind and lack of spine of GOP'ers in the Senate), Pence will ultimately be caught up as well. So, be careful what you wish for.



Lol, I'm sure that's the only reason YOU can think of...but that reflects your state of mind moreso than anything approaching an objective analysis.

The Watergate investigation lasted 4 years.
Ken Star's investigation of the Clintons lasted 6 years.
The Iran-Contra investigation lasted 6 years.
The Scooter Libby/Plamegate Investigation lasted almost 4 years.
The Mike Espy corruption investigation (during Clinton years) lasted 6 yeats.
Henry Cisneros (HUD) mistress investigation in the 90's lasted NINE years.

Mueller's investigation has lasted 2+ years, and has already resulted in 35 indictments (including 5 high ranking Trump campaign officials) 13 Russian nationals, 12 Russian intelligence officers, 5 Russian companies, and 3 or 4 other individuals. And that's in just TWO YEARS.

That is more than ALL previous Special Counsel type investigation of the last 40 years, except for Watergate (which ultimately resulted in 68 indictments and 45+ convictions).

So, let's be clear. The only reason some people think the Mueller investigation has gone on too long is because they are Trump loyalists. These are people who are more loyal to their ideology than to their country.
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wrong... people can try to gain an advantage. that's the secret to success. the question is did he do so ILLEGALLY. if so , then that is a crime and he should be convicted for it .no more no less.

if you can prove actual conspiracy, then I am for removing him. have at it.
 
independentusa said:
Ah, A true Trump cultist. No smoking gun or tape and all "fake News". And even if there is a smoking gun, still all "fake news". You can believe the stupidest conspiracy theories about Obama or Hillary, but not the truth about Trump. Like I said, a true Trump cultist.
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WHAT Smoking gun ? not a damn thing has been proven yet. I don't accept my namesake as evidence, I require proof.
 
Hypothetical said:
wrong... people can try to gain an advantage. that's the secret to success. the question is did he do so ILLEGALLY. if so , then that is a crime and he should be convicted for it .no more no less.

if you can prove actual conspiracy, then I am for removing him. have at it.
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Everyone knows that if he's found guilty of anything, he'll claim it's a 'hoax' and The Cult will believe him.

I'm not implying that you would buy into conspiracy theories, but you can bet that if he's convicted, a large percentage of Trump voters will believe they know more than the judges and jury and will claim he's innocent...
 
Hypothetical said:
depends on what "working with" means.

technically Russia is not an enemy of the US, we are not at war with them, right?

therefore IF you can PROVE beyond the shadow of a doubt that he engaged in conspiracy with Russia to illegally RIG the US election process, then I am all for impeaching him and allowing Mike Pence to take over as acting president.

short of that, forget it. I don't care if they talked about public election data. As far as I understand it , that's not a crime and shouldn't be.

it sure seems like they are dragging this out as far as they can though. the only reason I can think of to do that is because no real evidence.
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He is very much an adversary of the USA. No one can say he in any way is our friend and we know he is trying his best to hurt our country in any means available to him. The best of these is the internet.
 
Hypothetical said:
WHAT Smoking gun ? not a damn thing has been proven yet. I don't accept my namesake as evidence, I require proof.
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I think you would not accept a signed confession, as you would say it was coerced.
 
SoCal said:
Everyone knows that if he's found guilty of anything, he'll claim it's a 'hoax' and The Cult will believe him.

I'm not implying that you would buy into conspiracy theories, but you can bet that if he's convicted, a large percentage of Trump voters will believe they know more than the judges and jury and will claim he's innocent...
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well, I can't speak for them, I can speak for me.
 
OscarLevant said:
Excellent question, looking to see what Trumpettes say. My guess is that they are okay with it, as long as they get their judges and tax cuts for rich people.

The big question, I think, should also be asked is, "If Trump doesn't get his wall, are you still going to approve of his presidency?".
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The wall is overblown. If Trump gave a rally lecture on romantic poetry or insisted that his supporters read one classic novel a month they probably would begin to lose faith in his luminous narcissism, but they will forget the wall the day Trump tells them to.
 
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