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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Lots of things could have happened but what is happening are thousands of illegal border crossings per month. That, of course, begs the question: if thousands of illegal immigrants attempting entry (most of which are stopped and deported) are a national emergency then what are many millions of illegal immigrants already inside the US (most of which are never deported)?
    The point being this wasn't a "crisis" or "National Emergency" When both houses of congress and the Presidency were Republican controlled. It only became a "crisis" when the Dems took the house. Sorry but courts do look at things like that. Trump is the little boy who cried "crisis". Trump is throwing a temper tantrum and the world is laughing at the US for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    None of this is an argument either


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As has already been said...declaring an emergency does not allow POTUS to change law. He/she can temporarily suspend it, but he/she cannot change it.

    So, while the POTUS could use an emergency to build say... a 50 sq mile wind turbine field they could not change the law imposing a carbon tax on everyone.

    This is all assuming that such a POTUS is able to prove to the courts that such a declaration of emergency would fall under one of the existing provisions in the law that allows for such an emergency to be called of course.

    Plus Congress can at any time disagree with and suspend/end any POTUS's declaration of emergency with a simple vote and the Presidents signature or with a 2/3rds vote that would override the Presidents Veto power. This can happen even now if Trump declares an Emergency and the courts upheld it.
    There is no real EMERGENCY to declare. So the whole this is a farce built on a ruse constructed on a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I still want to know why this wasn't called a national crisis or a national emergency before the Democrats took control of the House.

    Why didn't Jim Jordan declare this a national emergency in September of 2017 and demand that the President pull this stunt then?

    I'm also not saying that the Democrats aren't doing this for political reasons. They are. And that's their right. But for people (aka The Citizens of Trump Fan Nation) to be so dishonest that they refuse to ask themselves that question shows that this is about politics on both sides.
    Exactly. This is no more an emergency that any other routine proposal for a spending bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Blame Congress for enacting the Emergency Powers act in the 70's.

    I've said for years now that Congress has abdicated too many of its powers to the executive branch. Do you believe me now?
    A true EMERGENCY is one thing. This farce sham is a horse of a different color. There is no such EMERGENCY for Trump to declare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    A liberal Democrat already used this type of authority to lock up 100,000 or so Japanese Americans. I can definitely see another liberal Democrat doing something similar.

    What should stick out as different between the wall and, for example, an EO regarding gun confiscation, is that in the first case the EO is being used to protect the rights of US citizens and in the second it's being used to take rights away. Should an EO be used to take away the rights of citizens I would hope that there would be a massive uprising against it. The fact that there was no such uprising in 1942, however, is troubling.
    Really!?!?!?!? How many property owners will lose their property rights because of this phony EMERGENCY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShangles View Post
    1976 democrats put this rule in for a president, so how could it be an unconstitutional expansion of executive powers? Was it only there for a democrat president?


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    It is there for actual EMERGENCIES like a hurricane or massive fires. This bogus border issue is not an emergency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is there for actual EMERGENCIES like a hurricane or massive fires. This bogus border issue is not an emergency.
    Also, if this was TRULY a CRISIS, why does he not have all the available guard units in the US down there at the border right now? I mean ALL of them, this is a "crisis" after all right?
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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If Trump declares his national emergency over border security and it is supported by the Republicans who simply want to give Trump a way out of the hopeless corner he has painted himself into and it is held up by the Courts - what happens down the road when a liberal Democrat is President and decides to pull the same measure regarding an issue like climate change or gun policy or something that Republicans are not eager to accede to? If a Court has already stated that the President indeed has the powers Trump claims, what is to stop future presidents from using them to effectively seriously weaken the powers of Congress in these areas?

    And given this argument, how can Republicans in Congress stand by and encourage Trump to do this and not loudly object to it?

    Is the momentary benefit to Trump so important that they would risk the very powers of the Congress as established by the Constitution?
    Gun ownership is protected by The Constitution. Go ahead and use emergency powers to nullify The Constitution and see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really!?!?!?!? How many property owners will lose their property rights because of this phony EMERGENCY?
    None.
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