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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So you say. And others say that Trump cannot do what he says he is likely to do.

    No disrespect to you, but your opinion is cold comfort given that Trump is likely to take billions and billions of dollars appropriated for other expenditures and apply them to something that they have not been approved for.
    None of this word salad is a valid argument


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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by MrShangles View Post
    The democrats wanted wanted this law in 1976 so sit back and let a grownup handle things


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    Oaky - you got in your partisan shot. Well done. Hooray. You win.

    Now what are you going to say about the current situation with Trump and the actual subject of the thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Morons like Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, and Kevin McCarthy aside, I just don't see the Republicans in Congress allowing Trump to declare this national emergency.

    And you do make a very good point. I agree with everyone who says we should somehow fix the immigration process. Not because I'm in a panic that some immigrant wants to kill me but because I'm a firm believer in processes and the law. But I don't see this as a national crisis, much as Trump wants to make it out to be one.

    The biggest reason I think the GOP won't let him get away with it is that they are not stupid. Anyone who isn't so blinded by Trump knows that the Republicans controlled the House, Senate and White House until last week. This "national crisis" didn't become a "national emergency" until the Dems took control of the House. People who don't admit that are liars.
    Trump has way more support on this than liberals give him, most American adults do still have common sense. Do you want people to knock on the front door to be welcomed in or do you want them to come in an open window around back?


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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    None of this word salad is a valid argument


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    Only because you refuse to comprehend it.

    Do you think anything Trump has presented is a valid argument? Save your condescending nonsense for somebody who respects it.
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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    Correct so the courts will also look at the fact the senate could have invoked the nuclear option. They didn’t.
    Lots of things could have happened but what is happening are thousands of illegal border crossings per month. That, of course, begs the question: if thousands of illegal immigrants attempting entry (most of which are stopped and deported) are a national emergency then what are many millions of illegal immigrants already inside the US (most of which are never deported)?
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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by MrShangles View Post
    Trump has way more support on this than liberals give him, most American adults do still have common sense. Do you want people to knock on the front door to be welcomed in or do you want them to come in an open window around back?


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    I was talking about him declaring a national emergency and how his party would respond to it, not my front door. Will you kindly read and comprehend my posts so you don't quote me and make posts like this in the future?
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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Morons like Jim Jordan, Mark Meadows, and Kevin McCarthy aside, I just don't see the Republicans in Congress allowing Trump to declare this national emergency.

    And you do make a very good point. I agree with everyone who says we should somehow fix the immigration process. Not because I'm in a panic that some immigrant wants to kill me but because I'm a firm believer in processes and the law. But I don't see this as a national crisis, much as Trump wants to make it out to be one.

    The biggest reason I think the GOP won't let him get away with it is that they are not stupid. Anyone who isn't so blinded by Trump knows that the Republicans controlled the House, Senate and White House until last week. This "national crisis" didn't become a "national emergency" until the Dems took control of the House. People who don't admit that are liars.
    It is ironic that so called LIBERTARIANS and members of things like the LIBERTY or FREEDOM CAUCUS would be the cheerleaders for this unconstitutional expansion of executive power which rapes the US Constitution.

    They and their hollow claims about freedom and liberty and rights are as phony as a three dollar bill with a picture of Pee Wee Herman on one side and a whoopee cushion on the other.
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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    The problem is that, on those issue, they are entirely time-based. A democrat could only declare an emergency on those issues for, at most, 8 years. Once the wall is built however well...it's built. There is no need to have a national emergency for 8 years with it. The other issues are simply too time-transcedent to have any real effect. As soon as a democrat is replaced, people buy guns and run gas guzzling cars once again.
    And that is the government you favor?
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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Only because you refuse to comprehend it.

    Do you think anything Trump has presented is a valid argument? Save your condescending nonsense for somebody who respects it.
    None of this is an argument either


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    Re: Future "National Emergencies" from the left

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If Trump declares his national emergency over border security and it is supported by the Republicans who simply want to give Trump a way out of the hopeless corner he has painted himself into and it is held up by the Courts - what happens down the road when a liberal Democrat is President and decides to pull the same measure regarding an issue like climate change or gun policy or something that Republicans are not eager to accede to? If a Court has already stated that the President indeed has the powers Trump claims, what is to stop future presidents from using them to effectively seriously weaken the powers of Congress in these areas?

    And given this argument, how can Republicans in Congress stand by and encourage Trump to do this and not loudly object to it?

    Is the momentary benefit to Trump so important that they would risk the very powers of the Congress as established by the Constitution?
    As has already been said...declaring an emergency does not allow POTUS to change law. He/she can temporarily suspend it, but he/she cannot change it.

    So, while the POTUS could use an emergency to build say... a 50 sq mile wind turbine field they could not change the law imposing a carbon tax on everyone.

    This is all assuming that such a POTUS is able to prove to the courts that such a declaration of emergency would fall under one of the existing provisions in the law that allows for such an emergency to be called of course.

    Plus Congress can at any time disagree with and suspend/end any POTUS's declaration of emergency with a simple vote and the Presidents signature or with a 2/3rds vote that would override the Presidents Veto power. This can happen even now if Trump declares an Emergency and the courts upheld it.
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