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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    Thanks. But migrants are not required to present their claims in order to obtain protection. Given Trump’s attempt to re-write asylum laws, they might be better off laying low til the courts overturn his rulings, which I think is likely.
    Are you trying to split hairs between the current affirmative and defensive asylum procedures?

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I suggest an experiment that can be tried immediately but it requires media cooperation.
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    If they say because experts say so you know they're lying.
    Actually if they come up with anything they'd be lying.
    Actually you are lying. Anyone who says a full-length border wall is cost effective is lying
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Actually you are lying. Anyone who says a full-length border wall is cost effective is lying
    "Cost effective"?
    It would be but I just said "effective".

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you trying to split hairs between the current affirmative and defensive asylum procedures?

    https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/r...-united-states
    The link apparently explains it. The distinction was significant when I worked in the field, and I assume it still is. An affirmative application is not an adversarial process, whereas applying defensively has you opposed by a government lawyer.

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by holbritter View Post
    Personally, I don't consider the number 396,579 that was apprehended in 2018 (not including of course those not caught) a low by any means. But it is a lower number than previous years. Add that to the 12 million illegals currently living in the US and the numbers are staggering.

    Add any amount to that number is too high.
    For the sake of clarity, I use the official statistics and graphs that are normally combined: apprehensions and others seeking entry at the border. Neither of these figures represent those who are successful in their border entry (e.g. typically those caught then apply for asylum and have gained entry anyway, being either detained in the US or caught and released). However this figure has served as a prior benchmark in that it is thought 1/2 of those attempting do make it across; which would be 500,000 a year.

    The only reason the numbers are not as bad as in many prior years is two-fold: first, the great recession sent many home and second, Mexico has emptied a lot of poorest class to the US already. Now Central American immigration has become the dominate regional source of southwest border illegals and their numbers are growing (especially family units using asylum loopholes).

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    "Cost effective"?
    It would be but I just said "effective".
    So you think it’s not the most cost-effective method for improving border security? Shouldn’t you instead be fighting for whatever is the most cost-effective?

    A 700 foot ice wall with automated laser turrets would be effective​ but that doesn’t mean we should ****ing do it.
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you think it’s not the most cost-effective method for improving border security? Shouldn’t you instead be fighting for whatever is the most cost-effective?

    A 700 foot ice wall with automated laser turrets would be effective​ but that doesn’t mean we should ****ing do it.
    I agree. A 500 foot ice wall is more than enough, with the giant a scythe blades swinging down and scrapping off the illegals as they attempt to scale the wall. Game of Thrones was very inspiring in that regards.

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    We know for you even 1 death would warrant tens of billions of wasted tax payer dollars. It's not too different from you ignoring the vast majority of terrorist acts that a are committed by white, right wing extremists while exaggerating yhe tiny minority that are committed by muslim extremists. You're not consistent.
    Is 100 Americans killed too many? How about 1,000? How about 10,000? At what point do you think is doing something about illegal immigration warranted?

    If you have a proposal for dealing with right wing terrorism then I'm all ears.

    If I don't answer your post it's because you lost the debate.

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you think it’s not the most cost-effective method for improving border security? Shouldn’t you instead be fighting for whatever is the most cost-effective?

    A 700 foot ice wall with automated laser turrets would be effective​ but that doesn’t mean we should ****ing do it.
    1) You're supposed to tell me why it wouldn't be "effective". That's regular old "effective" as a deterrent.
    2) I said it would be "cost-effective". Once we discuss its "effectiveness" as a deterrent we can discuss "cost effectiveness".

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