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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yes, all the other things that we've been doing that haven't involved a wall or Donald Trump.
    Fine, take the easy way out. Bye.
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barnacle View Post
    How do we know how many illegals made it into the country without being apprehended at the border?
    We don't.

    Do you have an opinion on the question?
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casca XV View Post
    Is it at an all time low? Or is it being counted and reported different for propaganda purposes? Like when Obama was claiming all time highs in deportations, by counting the catch and releases as deportation.
    All the numbers I've seen do show it decreasing overall. There were ups and downs.
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by jnug View Post
    Can't believe nobody has mentioned this one yet. I take that back. I can believe it.

    One major reason is that Mexico has clawed back enough of an economy over the years to keep them home. We now have negative unauthorized immigration flow from Mexico, meaning more go back than come in.

    Gee you think there is a message there for the US with virtually its entire ex-border problem originating in three tiny countries in Central America that we have frigged around with and helped screw up for a century? Those folks start their trek from about 1,200 to 1,500 miles away...some of them more! Do you think we might be able to figure out a way to keep them at home too!!!!

    Got any ideas? And if Mexico figured it out, so can other countries. Why is the US responsible to figure it out for them.
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Why do you think that the number of illegal crossings are at an all time low?



    In 1960 it was nearly zero. It was still negligible up to 1969. Then till about 1975 it climbed to about a half million a year. Then it was higher (varying between 600,000 and 1.7 million a year) till 2009. And in 2010, and all years since (but one) were LOWER than 2018.

    So obviously 521,000 apprehended (for every illegal caught one is not) is much lower than in many years, but it is not anywhere near an all time low.

    The question you ought to be asking is what has changed since the 1960s that triggered this flood of illegals, such that half million a year are still crossing the SW border illegally (and another 600,000 enter by visa to become illegals)?

    Personally, I don't consider the number 396,579 that was apprehended in 2018 (not including of course those not caught) a low by any means. But it is a lower number than previous years. Add that to the 12 million illegals currently living in the US and the numbers are staggering.

    Add any amount to that number is too high.
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by holbritter View Post
    Fine, take the easy way out. Bye.
    The easy way is peddling hyper simplistic solutions to complex problems like "dur dur, let's just build a big ass wall!" with no consideration as to the effectiveness of it.

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealers Wheel View Post
    You reminded me of a beautiful song by Roger Whittaker and later covered by Reba:

    Just Across the Rio Grande

    The lights of Laredo dance on the water
    And shine in a young man's eyes
    He stands on the border and dreams of Paradise
    He's heard crazy stories of how people live
    Over in the Promised Land
    He heard they eat three meals a day
    Just across the Rio Grande

    He's got a wife named Maria and a baby named Rose
    And one more to feed on the way
    Two willing hands that couldn't find work today
    He stares at the river and curses the future that he can't understand
    He knows his child would have a chance
    Just across the Rio Grande

    It's only a river that's not that deep or wide
    A boy can throw a stone across and reach the other side
    It's just some muddy water cuttin' through the land
    But a man can make a dream come true
    Just across the Rio Grande

    The lights of Laredo dance on the water
    And shine in a young man's eyes
    He stands on the border and stares up at the skies
    The same old stars shine so bright over the Promised Land

    Sometimes it seems like God must live
    Just across the Rio Grande

    It's only a river that's not that deep or wide
    A boy can throw a stone across and reach the other side
    It's just some muddy water cuttin' through the land
    But a man can make his dream come true
    Just across the Rio Grande

    Sometimes it seems like God must live
    Just across the Rio Grande
    Great sad song. Thanks for posting.

    Brought back memories of sad visits to Laredo detention centers to see asylum seekers caught while crossing. Outside of town, you could see people on the other side, waiting for nightfall to swim across.

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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Or having a police department if there was little crime in that town. The argument that law enforcement and/or security systems are not useful unless some specific level of crime (currently?) exists is quite lame. What, exactly, is an acceptable level of illegal border crossing? What should be done if (when?) that level is reached?
    I would say that spending billions and billions on a wall to stop this hypothetical 1% would be akin to a small town with little crime building a police force the size of the NYPD. It would certainly reduce the crime even more, but it would not be considered a wise allocation of resources.
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    If crossings are at an all-time low, where is the crisis Trump keeps blathering on about?
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    Re: Why is illegal border crossing at an 'all time low'?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nickyjo View Post
    Great sad song. Thanks for posting.

    Brought back memories of sad visits to Laredo detention centers to see asylum seekers caught while crossing. Outside of town, you could see people on the other side, waiting for nightfall to swim across.
    That song contains no claim of asylum whatsoever. Asylum seekers do not "get caught" - they voluntarily seek CPB personnel to make their asylum claim.
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