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Trump says, he never said Mexico would write a check to pay for the wall!

Hawkeye10 said:
Not "in a way", this is a completely True statement.
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He actually proposed how Mexico would pay for the wall...

In an April 2016 memo, Trump’s campaign outlined the steps he could take to get Mexico to pay for the wall.

"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.

Trump proposed measures to compel Mexico to pay for the wall, such as cutting off remittances sent from undocumented Mexicans in the U.S. via wire transfers.

Then, the memo says, if and when the Mexican government protested, they would be told to pay a lump sum "to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect." The plan lists a few other methods if that didn’t work, like the trade deficit, canceling Mexican visas or increasing visa fees. (Experts have told us there isn’t a connection between the U.S.-Mexico trade deficit and finding money for a wall.)
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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...claims-he-never-meant-mexico-would-write-che/

I thought you were a "Truth Teller"?
 
Threegoofs said:
I will.

The lane of rationality.

You’re probably not too familiar with it.
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This Eastern Mystic learned long ago that rationality is not what the dying West cracks it up to be.
 
independentusa said:
I think you need to wake up. You have been deceived and you can not let yourself go there. You see yourself as being too smart to have been deceived so you have to believe anything and everything trump tells you including he was not lying when he told you and the rest of his followers that he would get Mexico to pay for the wall. Kind of feel sorry .
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“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” -- Mark Twain
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That I am, our ranks are far too thin.
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Well here is the truth...

Our ruling

Trump said, "When I say Mexico is going to pay for the wall, that's what I said. Mexico is going to pay. I didn't say they're going to write me a check for $20 billion or $10 billion."

Trump’s campaign called a one-time payment of $5 billion-$10 billion "an easy decision for Mexico." The country’s other option would be to lose billions more in impounded remittances from immigrants working in the United States and increased fees on U.S. temporary visas and border crossing cards.

Trump as president has thrown out a number of other ways for Mexico to pay for the wall. Now he says it will be "indirect" through the trade deal (though that’s unsupported).

But his rewrite of a famous campaign pitch doesn’t clear. We rate this statement False.
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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...claims-he-never-meant-mexico-would-write-che/

Now if you don't believe the truth is the truth...if you can just spin the truth...then it stops being the truth. The truth becomes whatever you want it to be.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Taking Trump literally is where so many go wrong, he clearly does not want you to take him literally, he is literally ****ing with you trying to wake you up.
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EXACTLY!

Trump says demonstrably false things he doesn't mean.
But it's okay because he says these things for our own good.

We should all be good little children and just go along with daddy.

When will these libturds wake up and realize that saying false things to to influence people is not lying?
Sheesh!

[or not]
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Obviously I was unaware before now of what is apparently a single message sent to WP personnel....if that turns up in evidence then we would need to decide if he lied or not......I heard him talk about this many many times and I never understood him as saying that Mexico would be expected to send money for a "one time payment for the wall". ....I am certain that he never lied to me.
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When Trump first mentioned 'The Wall', he got cheers. He liked the cheers so he continued to mention it. When those who were running against him brought up the fact that it was unrealistic, because of the cost, his response was "it won't cost us anything, Mexico is going to pay".

You are now saying that when you heard him speak those words, you interpreted it to mean "American taxpayers would pay".
Wow.
That is impressive.
You are correct. He did not lie to you. You knew what he meant all along.
 
JasperL said:
Well, Trump said in a memo to Costa and Woodward that Mexico would indeed write a check, and he outlined the pressure points he'd use to make them do it. Or Mexico or their citizens would pay directly, through higher visa fees. I'd quote it but it's an image, and I can't quote an image. You can see the memo below.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps...to-pay-for-border-wall/2007/?tid=a_inl_manual

So he said Mexico would pay for the wall I'm guessing 100 times or more, and wrote a memo explaining how he'd make them pay directly for the wall, but now you're telling us it's false that Trump ever said such a thing. We used to be better, and called lies what they are.

Here's an article discussing the memo:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/10/tru...r-the-wall-contradicting-campaign-pledge.html



I don't think you're parsing words so that 'writing a check' is distinguishable from, different than, a "one time payment." Right?
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K&L Gates Discusses Trump’s Plan to Make Mexico Pay for the Wall | CLS Blue Sky Blog
A little further reading on that old washington post 2016 Trump plan.
 
Saladin4 said:
Yeah I just imagined NBC news showed the clip...Sure....Maybe Donny and Marie will back me up
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So you are cowering from the challenge?
 
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