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The Wall Will Not Cost Anything

Gaius46 said:
What money does Congress not earmark for anything?

Declaring a national emergency to spend money is a horrible idea and may well be unconstitutional. Congress and Congress alone has the power to spend money and it's that way because giving that power to one person would make him a virtual tyrant.
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The Pentagon spends bunches and bunches of money on things that never even show up in a budget. Congress gives them a check for a certain amount and no one really knows how some of it is spent.
 
NebraskaFtball said:
How about in the opinion of a conservative who believes in the Constitutional separation of powers? I don’t believe the Executive needs to usurp more power from the Legislative Branch than they already have over the decades.

There is no National Emergency. There is no reason to raid the Military for funds for something that is merely designed to placate a scared base of voters and their easily-manipulated feelings.
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National emergency is a matter of opinion.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Building a token portion of additional border fencing, paid for with "chump change", is unlikely to stop (avert?) any "national emergency". Think about what you are saying here - if congress won't allocate funding for X then the POTUS can simply declare X to be a "national emergency" and take money intended for Y and spend it on X.
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Presidents have declared national emergencies before. It is opinions that determine what a national emergency is. More than likely this will come down to the opinions of SCOTUS.
 
Moderate Right said:
Presidents have declared national emergencies before. It is opinions that determine what a national emergency is. More than likely this will come down to the opinions of SCOTUS.
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If you are correct, that opinions alone determine what a "national emergency" is, then it is even worse to let the POTUS decide that "he might later decide" that we have been in a "national emergency" situation since his campaign began yet he had intentionally neglected to act on that opinion for over two years.
 
Moderate Right said:
The Pentagon spends bunches and bunches of money on things that never even show up in a budget. Congress gives them a check for a certain amount and no one really knows how some of it is spent.
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And that is BS bureaucracy. It's wrong and I"m sure hides all manner of mis-spending and waste.

Your write as if that is justifiable.
 
Moderate Right said:
The Pentagon spends bunches and bunches of money on things that never even show up in a budget. Congress gives them a check for a certain amount and no one really knows how some of it is spent.
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But it’s still allocated. It’s still the DoDs and it’s still supposed to be used to further the DoD’s mission.
 
Moderate Right said:
The Pentagon spends bunches and bunches of money on things that never even show up in a budget. Congress gives them a check for a certain amount and no one really knows how some of it is spent.
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Bull! You couldn't be more wrong.

Now the agency that's another story.
 
Moderate Right said:
if Trump declares a national emergency and pays for the wall out of funds that have already been approved by the Democrats for spending. Those dollars were not earmarked for anything in particular so they can be spent on anything. So, Congress does not have to approve additional spending for a wall.
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That's not the point.
How many times did the fat boys cult chant Mexico will pay?
Anyhow $5 billion will do 50 miles?
 
Nickyjo said:
What’s the nature of the emergency? Oh, Trump not getting his way is an emergency, so he declares an emergency to address that emergency, and emerges having triumphed over the emergency. On the positive side, if his logic on this topic was posted on the wall in Spanish, the migrants might think, “well my kids need food, but why risk everything sneaking into such a crazy country?”

Problem solved.
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How would you stop these people from coming into the country ?
Having a figure of barack " smokey robinson " obama with a stop sign showing his teeth ?
Our President is willing to put this on hold and you liberal/Demos still won't negotiate despite the financial troubles ahead for thousands of laid off government workers. Of course you don't care as a liberal/Demo if this shutdown spreads to jobs outside the government. It's up to you people. Get off your high horses and comply or with the possible ripple effect more will be laid off.
 
PTF said:
How would you stop these people from coming into the country ?
Having a figure of barack " smokey robinson " obama with a stop sign showing his teeth ?
Our President is willing to put this on hold and you liberal/Demos still won't negotiate despite the financial troubles ahead for thousands of laid off government workers. Of course you don't care as a liberal/Demo if this shutdown spreads to jobs outside the government. It's up to you people. Get off your high horses and comply or with the possible ripple effect more will be laid off.
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The democrats didn’t walk out of the room, Trump did. He is the one taking responsibility for the shutdown, remember? There was a deal on the table that both political parties could live with and he decided he didn’t want it after hearing threatening noises from idiots like Coulter and Limbaugh.

As to the “problem” if there is one, the president could address the American people and provide the following information: 1- illegal immigration has been down for years but still remains a problem, from illegal border crossers to those who overstay visas; 2- We will combine the use of enhanced border security and greater resources for immigration courts to facilitate the removal of people not eligible to be in the US. My talk of a wall was, as you know, a symbol of greater immigration enforcement, not an absolute necessity as I have sometimes seemed to say; 3- at the same time we will insure that we obey US law and treaties we have ratified, and I have accordingly withdrawn my positions on asylum rules which are contrary to US law and established legal precedent; 4- this is not a time for partisanship and over the top rhetoric; border security is not “immoral,” Speaker Pelosi, but neither are Mexican migrants “rapists,” as I described them, nor was there any sign of “Middle Easterners” in the migrant caravan. I apologize for my extreme words and pledge to do better.

That’s how.
 
Moderate Right said:
if Trump declares a national emergency and pays for the wall out of funds that have already been approved by the Democrats for spending. Those dollars were not earmarked for anything in particular so they can be spent on anything. So, Congress does not have to approve additional spending for a wall.
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Democrats WANT Trump to do this. Reid using the nuclear option for judicial nominees would be chump change to what a Democratic president with unchecked emergency powers could do. Gun control, global warming, Medicare for All... anything becomes fair play when you argue a 15 year infastructure project like a border wall is a crisis.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Bull! You couldn't be more wrong.

Now the agency that's another story.
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There are tons of money the Pentagon spends on secret or covert things that no one really knows where the money goes or what it is actually spent on. It is so much I doubt they would miss 5-25 billion dollars.
 
YorkshirePete said:
That's not the point.
How many times did the fat boys cult chant Mexico will pay?
Anyhow $5 billion will do 50 miles?
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Everyone who wants the wall doesn't give a damn who pays for it. It is only you lefties who want to make an issue out of it when you don't even want the wall if Mexico paid for it.
 
PTF said:
How would you stop these people from coming into the country ?
Having a figure of barack " smokey robinson " obama with a stop sign showing his teeth ?
Our President is willing to put this on hold and you liberal/Demos still won't negotiate despite the financial troubles ahead for thousands of laid off government workers. Of course you don't care as a liberal/Demo if this shutdown spreads to jobs outside the government. It's up to you people. Get off your high horses and comply or with the possible ripple effect more will be laid off.
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Obama could have drawn a red line.
 
Moderate Right said:
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if Trump declares a national emergency and pays for the wall out of funds that have already been approved by the Democrats for spending. Those dollars were not earmarked for anything in particular so they can be spent on anything. So, Congress does not have to approve additional spending for a wall.
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I've come to expect this kind of laughable idiocy, but really? The wall doesn't cost any money if Trump misuses previously appropriated funds? Do you even know what "cost" means?

Unless manufacturers are lining up to donate billions of dollars worth of parts and labor, yes the wall ****ing costs something no matter where the money being spent is coming from before being spent on the things that cost money (again, those being parts and labor).


:doh
 
Mr Person said:
I've come to expect this kind of laughable idiocy, but really? The wall doesn't cost any money if Trump misuses previously appropriated funds? Do you even know what "cost" means?

Unless manufacturers are lining up to donate billions of dollars worth of parts and labor, yes the wall ****ing costs something no matter where the money being spent is coming from before being spent on the things that cost money (again, those being parts and labor).


:doh
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The Pentagon "misuses" billions of dollars all the time on secret **** that nobody even knows what they are doing.
 
Moderate Right said:
He doesn't have a leg to stand on in the opinion of liberals.
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Not just liberals, and it's because of hostage taking.
I actually could be persuaded to support certain projects that result in more walls being built. And I am a liberal Democrat.

It's just that, at this point, because of Trump's unhinged behavior and the damage he is doing with his "dick measuring contest" hostage drama, I don't care if he claims he has a new cure for cancer. I simply no longer believe he is anything but a dog that craps in the house, and it's housebreaking time for the dog.

If he hadn't pulled this stunt, I might still be conflicted on Trump's idea for more walls, but thanks to his stunt, he has helped me make up my mind.

And I guarantee you, it's not me, it's not even just other liberals. There are a lot of "me" out there, and you know it.
 
Moderate Right said:
National emergency is a matter of opinion.
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I disagree. I believe it requires objective data to prove it inherent. The concept may be subjective, but the declaration requires substance. There is no substance here.
 
Moderate Right said:
if Trump declares a national emergency and pays for the wall out of funds that have already been approved by the Democrats for spending. Those dollars were not earmarked for anything in particular so they can be spent on anything. So, Congress does not have to approve additional spending for a wall.
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There will be a price paid, though, by the shorting of resources earmarked by the Military, so national security might be affected. If he can pull the dough from a pork barrel deal, that might work, but many of the constituents of the senator who got the pork deal through, they probably will suffer. Somebody has to pay, you don't get something for nothing.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Not just liberals, and it's because of hostage taking.
I actually could be persuaded to support certain projects that result in more walls being built. And I am a liberal Democrat.

It's just that, at this point, because of Trump's unhinged behavior and the damage he is doing with his "dick measuring contest" hostage drama, I don't care if he claims he has a new cure for cancer. I simply no longer believe he is anything but a dog that craps in the house, and it's housebreaking time for the dog.

If he hadn't pulled this stunt, I might still be conflicted on Trump's idea for more walls, but thanks to his stunt, he has helped me make up my mind.

And I guarantee you, it's not me, it's not even just other liberals. There are a lot of "me" out there, and you know it.
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Democrats were going to give him no wall. Pelosi and Schumer have said as much. They would only commit to more money for border security as long as it was not for a wall of any kind and they wouldn't even give him 5.7 for more border security. And don't give me any crap about previous deals they were working on. We're working on this now. A hatred of Trump is no reason to be 100% resistant.
 
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