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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Here's a worst case scenario for the Republicans, I'm not saying it's going to happen. It's far fetched, but I'm sure the GOP has thought about it.

    Mitch lets the Senate vote on 1 of these bills without the money Trump wants in it. It passes, Trump vetoes it. The veto is overridden by both houses of Congress. If that happened there's a 'possibility' the Republican party would split in 2020. There might be 35-40% of the fanatical, Nationalistic racist Republican base saying enough, we're going to start our own party, led by either Trump(probably not though) or another Nationalistic leader.

    If that happens the Republican party is dead. They are already losing minorities, women, etc.. If they lose their far right base? That's all she wrote for the GOP.
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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Collins, Gardner and Murkowski.
    Collins, Gardner are from light blue states, going darker blue with each year. Both are up for reelection in 2020. Trump's approval rating in Colorado is 40%, 45% in Maine. Murkowski ran as an independent in her last election win. Joe Miller was the GOP nominee. Murkowski has always been an independent sort. Trump's approval rating in Alaska is 49%.

    Everyone seems to be taking Jones, Alabama and Manchin, West Virginia for granted. Manchin has a long history of siding with Trump on key issues. Jones is up for reelection in 2020 in a state where Trump has a 58% approval rating and is a very deep red state. A vote against Trump would probably doom any reelection chances he has which is very slim to begin with. Of course, Jones knows this and he might just say to heck with it. Jones is nothing more than a gift to the Democrats from stupid Alabama Republicans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by independentusa View Post
    Actually, I read about a GOPer in the Senate that said that the House bill passed by the Dems and already voted on once by the Senate and passed on a voice vote would once again pass the Senate. The whole thing comes down to McConnell trying to help Trump by keeping him from vetoing such a bill.
    How does that help trump?

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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    How does that help trump?

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    McConnell is taking heat away (though not nearly enough to matter) by making it appear to be Congressional Republicans' fault more than Trump's fault for not re-opening government.

    I'm not saying it's particularly effective, but that's the idea at least.

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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I do agree that McConnell is in a no-win situation here. But he should still bring these bills to a vote, in spite of the fact that Trump will veto them. If for no other reason than to save his own political career. If he's smart, and I do believe he's very smart, he should bring them to a vote, let them pass, and then when Trump vetoes them, it's on Trump.
    I get the position on this, I am not entirely convinced McConnell can survive what Republicans have become under Trump. He may already be out of a political career.
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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I get the position on this, I am not entirely convinced McConnell can survive what Republicans have become under Trump. He may already be out of a political career.
    I actually think you're right OS. I look at McConnell and see his career limping along on its last legs. I think he's going to be one of the ones whose career is ruined by Trump.

    Ryan was smart enough to get out before the same thing happened to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    McConnell is taking heat away (though not nearly enough to matter) by making it appear to be Congressional Republicans' fault more than Trump's fault for not re-opening government.

    I'm not saying it's particularly effective, but that's the idea at least.
    Well if it is the idea it's not working very well. The narrative that the media is trying to push that trump is the one being unreasonable isnt working too well either.

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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I actually think you're right OS. I look at McConnell and see his career limping along on its last legs. I think he's going to be one of the ones whose career is ruined by Trump.

    Ryan was smart enough to get out before the same thing happened to him.
    I think perotista made an important point about that. While McConnell does have to worry about being re-elected, he has to win his primary first. If he goes against Trump, he will likely get primaried out.
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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    At least 3 GOP Senators (of which I'm aware) have declared they want to open the government. It needs to be put to a vote, to see if it can pass. That's what voting is for!
    We desperately need reform of these Senate processes. If a Bill has minority support it should be brought to the floor.

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    Re: McConnell blocks House bills to reopen government

    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense 1 View Post
    It's fun to watch the democrats flail around aimlessly. One stupid gimmick after another.
    Thanks Senator McConnell for holding the line!!
    Meanwhile the majority of Americans are blaming the GOP. You really think the optics are good for Trump on this matter ? Trump will not get his 5 billiion, its a lost cause. Do you know how many GOP Senators are up for reelection in 2020? The Senate will cave before Trump does, they value their jobs more than they do Trump. Attempting to reopen vital agencies is not a gimmick. Why is the Senate shirking their responsibilities?
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