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If this happens, it's all over for Trump

Winston said:
okay, deny all you want, not my problem.
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Pointing out that it matters not to what I said, is not denial. And you did not show how it matters, that is called failure.
Learn the difference, and learn to make valid arguments, because you clearly failed here.
 
OscarLevant said:
If Mueller has proof that Trump was aware of and condoned manafort's giving private presidential polling data to the various Russian oligarchs, he's toast
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You give his supporters way too much credit.

a) they wont believe it

b) even if they did, they wouldnt care, they'd find a way to justify it (see: c)

c) But Hillary!!!!
 
Stealers Wheel said:
I did not intend to imply you were defending Trump. You were, however, making a point that it is unreasonable to think that either the Trump campaign was sharing data, or if they were, it is no big deal.

I'm simply pointing out that it is entirely possible that the contacts with the Russians had more to do with Trump wanting to get his Tower Moscow built than in manipulating the outcome of the election. Maybe you think that is a stretch as well.

No president has ever been more deferring to any foreign leader, let alone an historical rival, even adversary, than Trump has been with Putin. With as arrogant as Trump has been with literally every other political leader on the planet, why is Putin the single solitary exception? Here are some stretches for you:

1. Putin has something incredibly embarrassing on Trump.

2. Putin has something criminal such as money laundering on Trump.

3. Putin has something criminal on one of Trump's kids.

Or, as I have already pointed out, Trump wants that Tower in Moscow built.

Why do you think Trump sucks Putin to the exclusion of every other world leader?
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I personally think that Trump and Putin are in each other's underwear... a sickening thought.

I just want to make sure that we don't go nuts and try to use flimsy facts to take down a US President, when I feel very sure there is more than enough seriously major evidence that will be revealed by Mueller that will be more than enough. Read my posts in this thread and you will see I am saying exactly that.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That would not bother me, the Russians knowing what the American people think is actually something that should be encouraged.
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The campaign gave this information to the Russians which they almost certainly used in their propaganda campaign to target vulnerable districts. Trump's people told the Russians who they should appeal to with their army of trolls either in support of him, attacks on his opponents, or to discourage people of color from voting at all.

The Trump campaign invited a foreign power to meddle in America's election process.

That's treason. That makes Manafort a traitor. If Trump knew that makes him a traitor too, or at the very least an accomplice to treason.

The man is not fit to be president.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I personally think that Trump and Putin are in each other's underwear... a sickening thought.

I just want to make sure that we don't go nuts and try to use flimsy facts to take down a US President, when I feel very sure there is more than enough seriously major evidence that will be revealed by Mueller that will be more than enough. Read my posts in this thread and you will see I am saying exactly that.
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Your right, Mueller will need a lot of hard evidence for Trump to be successfully prosecuted.

Unless I missed it, I'm amazed no one's talking about the revelation that the FBI actually investigated whether or not a serving president was intentionally or indirectly working for Putin. That's just amazing, if true it will go down in our history as him being much worst than Benedict Arnold...
 
SoCal said:
Your right, Mueller will need a lot of hard evidence for Trump to be successfully prosecuted.

Unless I missed it, I'm amazed no one's talking about the revelation that the FBI actually investigated whether or not a serving president was intentionally or indirectly working for Putin. That's just amazing, if true it will go down in our history as him being much worst than Benedict Arnold...
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I just want it over.
 
OscarLevant said:
If Mueller has proof that Trump was aware of and condoned manafort's giving private presidential polling data to the various Russian oligarchs, he's toast
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Trump gave highly classified intel data to the Russians in the Oval Office. He is both a spy & a traitor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/trump-russia-classified-information-isis.html
WASHINGTON — President Trump boasted about highly classified intelligence in a meeting with the Russian foreign minister and ambassador last week, providing details that could expose the source of the information and the manner in which it was collected, a current and a former American government official said Monday.

The intelligence disclosed by Mr. Trump in a meeting with Sergey V. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, and Sergey I. Kislyak, the Russian ambassador to the United States, was about an Islamic State plot, according to the officials. A Middle Eastern ally that closely guards its own secrets provided the information, which was considered so sensitive that American officials did not share it widely within the United States government or pass it on to other allies. [aka Israel]
 
Lursa said:
You give his supporters way too much credit.

a) they wont believe it

b) even if they did, they wouldnt care, they'd find a way to justify it (see: c)

c) But Hillary!!!!
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Don't worry. The only things Mueller has which could seriously make Trump look bad in the eyes of the public are related to his angering leftist political powers and thus igniting a firestorm of hatred from them around the country. He can be justly accused of not being a peacemaker by those interested only in making peace with wickedness and the wicked and with no interest in making peace with God or conservative Christian patriots in the USA.
 
Gaius46 said:
I don't think anything short of him being caught in the sack with Putin will get him impeached at this point.
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Trump supporters would only claim that liberals are being hypocrites for not supporting a gay relationship. They would ask what's wrong with two world leaders having an affair?

There are a lot of irrational people in the world. At least 25% if not more of the population is completely irrational. Look at Venezuela. Maduro still has the support of millions of people even when the country is a total disaster. These gullible people believe that the government tells them. It's the same with Trump supporters. You can't reason with them.
 
marke said:
Don't worry. The only things Mueller has which could seriously make Trump look bad in the eyes of the public are related to his angering leftist political powers and thus igniting a firestorm of hatred from them around the country. He can be justly accused of not being a peacemaker by those interested only in making peace with wickedness and the wicked and with no interest in making peace with God or conservative Christian patriots in the USA.
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You have no idea what Mueller has on Trump.

The rest is religious nonsense.
 
OscarLevant said:
You have no idea what Mueller has on Trump.

The rest is religious nonsense.
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Nobody has any idea of what Mueller has or doesn't have on Trump. That is why Mueller must keep his findings secret for as long as he can to keep the leftist democrat rumor mills in business.
 
marke said:
Nobody has any idea of what Mueller has or doesn't have on Trump. That is why Mueller must keep his findings secret for as long as he can to keep the leftist democrat rumor mills in business.
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First statement is true. Second is partisan hack.
 
marke said:
Don't worry. The only things Mueller has which could seriously make Trump look bad in the eyes of the public are related to his angering leftist political powers and thus igniting a firestorm of hatred from them around the country. He can be justly accused of not being a peacemaker by those interested only in making peace with wickedness and the wicked and with no interest in making peace with God or conservative Christian patriots in the USA.
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Sorry, you must have been watching some movie on YouTube. We're discussing reality here. Please try to keep up.
 
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