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What is your opinion the 60 minutes interview with Anderson copper and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

Beaudreaux said:
She's a very nice and congenial person that comes across to me as a naive and idealistic young person that has no actual cognitive skills related to the understanding of macro-economics, forms of government, or our Constitutionally protected rights or freedom.
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AOC on her worst day is an order of magnitude more rational and cogent than Trump on his best.
 
Gaius46 said:
She’s unrealistically idealist. And using the term “tippy-tip” struck me as a might childish.
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Considering the childish insults that have come from Trump, I can forgive her for that.
 
The Mark said:
What the hell are you talking about.
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It seems that the less you know about what she has said then the more convinced you are that she is making sense. What I am talking about are things that she actually said. Having admitted to not knowing what she has said - why do you question others who have heard what she has said? It is quite easy to find out what she has said by using *gasp* the internet.
 
JustHanging said:
I agree. Personally I would like to see a tax on non-essential goods. Please let me know if you start a thread, I would like to join.
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To be honest I most likely wont just cause my threads sorta fizzle out and it depresses me nobody else shares my passion.

I'm an advocate of consumption based tax table.

If a thread shows up I will participate

I am very opposed to not allowing different ideas competing in a free thinking arena. Nobody should ever avoid being exposed as being wrong or heaven forbid right.

We should all share the common goal of improving. It just a little complicated cause the definition of improvement is subjective.

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
How is it you're spreading such misinformation, is it deliberate?
Marginal tax rates with a high number, such as 70% or more, do not apply until you hit the very "tippy top" dollar.
In other words, a 70% marginal rate with a cap of four million dollars means that only the very last thousand bucks or so (depending on how the rate was set up) would be taxed at that 70% rate.

The girl even went to great lengths to explain it in the interview, which of course you probably didn't watch.
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I completely understand what tax rate brackets are and how they work. That being said, an increase of the "tippy top" bracket rate from 35% to 70% is, in fact, a 100% tax increase on all income in that "tippy top" bracket. This post contains absolutely no misinformation.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Name one newly elected Senator or Congressman that started off by doing every interview they could, even prior to being sworn in, that ever went anywhere.

These are all people that wanted to become media darlings before they put their head down and actually accomplished some real changes. In the cases of Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders, they are some of the most ineffective people ever to sit in congress in terms of actual legislation they authored being passed.
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Which is why Bernie was called the amendment king? Because he accomplished little to nothing? Also Bernie didn't seek out attention nor did AOC; the media came to them, and of course they're going to use the platform to advance an agenda they obviously feel passionately about, as well they should.

My point is, going out in front of every camera in the country, campaigning for unelectable candidates (which AOC did throughout 2018. Her and Bernie had a terrible tract record endorsing candidates in what was otherwise a very good year for the Dems), and throwing out politically impossible ideas in interviews, is not something that leads to being an effective legislator.
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Sadly, the advantage overwhelmingly lies with establishment candidates who at present have commanding leads in terms of their resources, party contacts, and the like and moreover typically enjoy leads in terms of incumbency, name recognition (particularly since most progressive candidates are completely new) and media exposure/favourability (anyone who thinks the MSM is enamoured of progs over 'centrist' Dems clearly hasn't been paying attention). I don't think one mid term is at all meaningful with respect to judging the trajectory and health of a movement that only really came into existence 2 years ago vs a faction that has existed for dozens of years now and still holds the majority of the power and purse strings; as a basis of comparison, it took the New Dems about 15 years more or less, to convincingly take over the party, and that was with the backing of big donors unchained by Buckley v Valeo. In light of that, progressives had a great year, particularly when you consider, due to their tireless work, the broad-based, even overwhelming majoritarian support for their keystone policies that are now very much indeed beginning to enter the realm of political possibility, contrary to your increasingly baseless opinion.

As to how overrated her primary win is, I explained that here:
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I don't see an explanation so much as a self-serving gloss over of Crowley's substantial funding advantage, name recognition, incumbency, party connections, media coverage and so on. Her win was considered an upset for good reason, even if you would like to engage in revisionism to marginalize it as so many centrist Democrats tried to after they finished collecting their jaws from the floor; Pelosi's flailing, ridiculous attempt at minimization was especially hilarious.
 
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trouble13 said:
exclusive. Dont scare me but I have a fundamental disagreement with taxing people on their income.
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Scare you?? I don't think it is possible to debate on the notion that people should not have their income taxed.
We're not living in Little House on the Prairie days...this is a modern diverse industrialized democratically elected constitutional republic with the power to lay and collect taxes. And taxes are the price one pays for civilization.

If all the tax protesters decide to go Galt, there is nothing we can do to stop them but I have my doubts about that ever happening, too.

The American economy roared in the New Deal days like it never had before, and nothing we have tried since the 1980's has ever approached that level since for the middle class. Absolutely nothing.

Don't mess with success.
 
For those of you fatally against any taxation increase on anyone. Can I ask what the difference was in the 50,60,70's?
The tax rates then were high then the government created a middle class with all that money...right?
The middle class is going away and the income disparity in the country is getting worse and worse shouldn't we be at least be trying to do something about it?
And what would your suggestion be if you believe something should be done?
 
yankintx said:
Considering the childish insults that have come from Trump, I can forgive her for that.
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There’s no excuse for Trump. That said she’s a kid and using clueless kid-speak isn’t going to work to her advantage.
 
HenryChinaski said:
People identify with politicians that they feel reflect themselves. So it’s reasonable that middle-aged to elderly cantankerous, crochety caucasian people that lack fiber in their diets are not gonna like her.
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Caucasian people do not have a monopoly on cantankerousness or lack of fiber.
It affects everyone.
Wait till it is your turn.
You will learn to embrace the dragon.

You will know you are there when you groan on getting up, groan when sitting down, and fart at every step.
It is disgusting, but people excuse it because they know they will be there one day.

One advantage is old men can behave as crazy as they like. It's just grandpa.
While old women are held to a much higher " Grandmother" level.
Young women also see you as harmless.
I knew I was there when on two different occasions when a young lady laid her head on my shoulder and slept on a bus, and another laid her head in my lap on a couch in a bar.
Though, kinda sad, it was also flattering.
 
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Gaius46 said:
There’s no excuse for Trump. That said she’s a kid and using clueless kid-speak isn’t going to work to her advantage.
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Either way the Right already hates her. Angels and rainbows could fly out her ass and the Righties would still damn her.
 
Any idea of who her handler might be?
 
Middlegroundguy said:
What is your opinion of the 60 minutes interview with Anderson copper and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
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I like her. She's young, green as hell but she'll eventually find her footing and be a force to be reckoned with contrary to the right shaming her all the time
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is important when talking about raising tax rates close to 100% that you make sure most folks understand that you are not talking about ever raising their taxes only giving them a "fair share" of other folks money. What she will not say, of course, is how much revenue that tax plan would allegedly generate or how much more she wants to spend. Those pesky facts just might get in the way of her plans.
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Her proposal is a marginal tax rate look it up
 
Airyaman said:
My opinion: Trumpsters make her the face of the Democrat party. Dems, you better not let that happen.
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She'll have to pay her dues like everyone else at least a couple years in Congress
 
Gaius46 said:
Despite the fact that she represents the district I used to live in I don’t know much about her personality. What makes you say that? The mere fact that she won an election or something else?

I similarly thought it kinda tactless that she decided to mansplain progressive taxes to Anderson Cooper.
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A Woman, by default, cannot mansplain
 
JMR said:
Just wondering if you believe Trump has any actual cognitive skills related to the understanding of macro-economics, forms or government, or our Constitutionally protected rights or freedom? JMO, but his lack of understanding is of much greater importance than hers. She's one little vote in the Congress, and seems to have got everyone's attention. She's like the shiny thing that keeps Trump safe.
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Of course not, but the thread was about the young lady, not Trump.
 
Surrealistik said:
AOC on her worst day is an order of magnitude more rational and cogent than Trump on his best.
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Why the hell do you all keep bringing up Trump to me? Have I passed out and drunk typed some vile screed in favor of Trump and didn’t know it?

I hate Trump, and he’s a lying idiot, but that doesn’t suddenly make AOC ****ing brilliant. Not even close.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Why the hell do you all keep bringing up Trump to me? Have I passed out and drunk typed some vile screed in favor of Trump and didn’t know it?

I hate Trump, and he’s a lying idiot, but that doesn’t suddenly make AOC ****ing brilliant. Not even close.
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Fair enough, my bad; I had you pegged as one of many conservatives on this board who constantly engage in pathetic apologism for the worst, most ludicrous outbursts of the big orange idiot, but breathlessly try to pick apart even the slightest gaffes by AOC and other Dems as if they mean something.

Also, most of AOC's so-called blunders have generally been either things taken out of context, grasping at straws, or reading meaning/intent into what she says that isn't there. The few times she does say stuff that's an honest to god **** up, it's typically failing to remember a stat correctly or something along those lines, as opposed to making statements of outright idiocy. No doubt she ****s up, but not in ways that suggest a lack of mental faculty.

As an assessment of her deficits, I think she's a bit rough around the edges, doesn't prepare herself sufficiently and leans too spontaneous, rarely relying on teleprompters/canned statements like the majority of well-coiffed career politicos, sometimes to her self-detriment, but these are all largely products of inexperience rather than some bona fide deficit of intelligence. Moreover, I think your hyperbolic read of her has far more to do with your politics than any factual or reasonable summary.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
How ridiculous. She wasn't mansplaining anything, she was explaining to the viewing audience how progressive tax rates work.
And apparently more than a few people right here need that explanation.
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It’s not rocket science and even if it were a 5 second sound bite won’t teach anyone anything.
 
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