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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Trump is a terrorist.

    An ignorant terrorist. But he has a lot of weapons at his disposal.

    Negotiating with ignorant terrorists who possess a big arsenal is very tricky. Democrats have a big challenge ahead of them.
    Let's not throw around the word "terrorist" irresponsibly.

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    And that is why Trump has put this in McConnells lap.

    If there is no vote and no opportunity for a number of senate Republicans to reveal on the floor they are ready to reopen the government, then there's no chance of a bill passing and coming to Trump's desk, and him being put in the position of having to either sign it and cave, or veto it and completely own the shutdown.

    But eventually something is going to have to give, and if a few more Republicans decide to state publicly they are ready to vote (five have so far), then McConnell is going to have to fold, and allow a bill on the floor. At which point Trump would not respond and allow it to go into law, and then he gets to blame McConnell.

    :twocents
    The symbolic addition of some portion of the Great Wall Of Trump is not going to have any meaningful effect on the 12M (to 20M?) illegal immigrants now inside the US. Both "sides" know this and yet will do nothing to address the very serious problem of the lack of adequate interior enforcement of federal immigration law.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    They voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006 and for a 700-mile extension of that fence in 2013. I haven’t seen any of them calling for that supposedly “immoral” and “ineffective” barrier to be dismantled. This is just politics and a squandered opportunity to tie the extension they asked for 5 years ago to additional funding for Democratic initiatives.


    This isn't just about the border wall, it's about Republicans using government services as hostages in ransom notes to get what they want. The broader public and Democrats are tired of it, and ready for it to stop.

    All the Republicans being asked to is vote on the same bill they already passed.

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see you do not understand the language used.
    That is okay, no one expected that you would.

    Again.
    So which is it? The Dems knew and allowed it to happen, or in the alternative, they didn't know.
    The Dems had no power to allow or disallow, the senate is run by Republicans. If you think extortion is the way government should be, then that's on you.
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    And that bothers you because????????
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by MovingPictures View Post
    Let's not throw around the word "terrorist" irresponsibly.
    I thought hard about it before I said it. And then I decided it was appropriate.

    Terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.



    Trump's actions are unlawful. They're only considered marginally lawful in the sense that he's president and courts are afraid to step in and tell him no. But he is invoking laws which do not apply. His massive tariffs and his freezing of federal employee pay were both based on him invoking laws made for national emergencies, which clearly did not apply. He has passed so far on declaring a national emergency at the border to get around Congress's oversight, but he is threatening it.

    He is a terrorist. Holding civilians hostage.

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The symbolic addition of some portion of the Great Wall Of Trump is not going to have any meaningful effect on the 12M (to 20M?) illegal immigrants now inside the US. Both "sides" know this and yet will do nothing to address the very serious problem of the lack of adequate interior enforcement of federal immigration law.
    Obviously, we need to have reform and accountability for when people don't play by the rules, but mass deportations of law abiding citizens and feel good walls are not going to solve the problem of people overstaying their visas.

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Praxas View Post
    The Dems had no power to allow or disallow, the senate is run by Republicans. If you think extortion is the way government should be, then that's on you.
    I see you do not understand that they certainly could have cooperated and not allowed the shutdown to happen.
    I see you also do not understand that the Senate Majority leader said he wanted Democratic support, but there was none.
    The Dems as a whole own this as much as the President and the Senate Republicans do.
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Your opinion is noted.
    The reality is that the Dems as a whole, the Senate Republicans and the President are all responsible.
    So you think we ahould change our policy and start negotiating with terrorists who take Americans hostage? Do you even know why we have that policy? Negotiations could start tomorrow if the hostages are released.
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I thought hard about it before I said it. And then I decided it was appropriate.

    Terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.



    Trump's actions are unlawful. They're only considered marginally lawful in the sense that he's president and courts are afraid to step in and tell him no. But he is invoking laws which do not apply. His massive tariffs and his freezing of federal employee pay were both based on him invoking laws made for national emergencies, which clearly did not apply. He has passed so far on declaring a national emergency at the border to get around Congress's oversight, but he is threatening it.

    He is a terrorist.
    Trump is not a terrorist.

    He's a clumsy fascist.

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Trump obviously controls the Senate gatekeeper ... GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    No government funding bills get voted on in the Senate now unless/until Trump gives the nod to McConnell to allow it.

    Dems have offered $1.6 billion for border security. The same deal as the Senate voted unanimously (100-0) to approve on December 19.
    They were good with $25 billion in June. What changed between then and now?

    Oh yeah, they won the House and now feel like they have a mandate to be even more "resisty" than before.

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