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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Are you saying the Dems did and allowed it to continue without coming to the table?
    Trump obviously controls the Senate gatekeeper ... GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    No government funding bills get voted on in the Senate now unless/until Trump gives the nod to McConnell to allow it.

    Dems have offered $1.6 billion for border security. The same deal as the Senate voted unanimously (100-0) to approve on December 19.

    Quote Originally Posted by Donald J. Trump on 11 December 2018
    “I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down.”


    We are now in → Day 26 ← of the Trump government shutdown.

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Congressional dysfunction is causing the current shutdown. It could become Trump's shutdown if he were to veto a funding bill passed by congress.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Are you saying the Dems did and allowed it to continue without coming to the table?
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    So which is it? The Dems knew and allowed it to happen, or in the alternative, they didn't know.
    Trump knew there would be no negotiations while the govt. is shut. He does not want to negotiate he wants to dictate. We don't negotiate with dictators who take Americans hostage.
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Valley View Post
    Trump obviously controls the Senate gatekeeper ... GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.

    No government funding bills get voted on in the Senate now unless/until Trump gives the nod to McConnell to allow it.

    Dems have offered $1.6 billion for border security. The same deal as the Senate voted unanimously (100-0) to approve on December 19.
    iLOL What a silly reply.

    No. Trump does not control the Senate gatekeeper. Your last sentence establishes that.
    Had he, the House's bill approving $5.7B would have been allowed a vote by that gatekeeper.
    Last edited by Excon; 01-09-19 at 01:44 PM.
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall. The shutdown has nothing to do with Trump's Wall.
    What?
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Trump knew there would be no negotiations while the govt. is shut. He does not want to negotiate he wants to dictate. We don't negotiate with dictators who take Americans hostage.
    Your opinion is noted.
    The reality is that the Dems as a whole, the Senate Republicans and the President are all responsible.
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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Congressional dysfunction is causing the current shutdown. It could become Trump's shutdown if he were to veto a funding bill passed by congress.
    And that is why Trump has put this in McConnells lap.

    If there is no vote and no opportunity for a number of senate Republicans to reveal on the floor they are ready to reopen the government, then there's no chance of a bill passing and coming to Trump's desk, and him being put in the position of having to either sign it and cave, or veto it and completely own the shutdown.

    But eventually something is going to have to give, and if a few more Republicans decide to state publicly they are ready to vote (five have so far), then McConnell is going to have to fold, and allow a bill on the floor. At which point Trump would not respond and allow it to go into law, and then he gets to blame McConnell.


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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    Trump is a terrorist.

    An ignorant terrorist. But he has a lot of weapons at his disposal.

    Negotiating with ignorant terrorists who possess a big arsenal is very tricky. Democrats have a big challenge ahead of them.

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    Re: Trump Literally Did Not Understand What a Shutdown Would Do

    They voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006 and for a 700-mile extension of that fence in 2013. I haven’t seen any of them calling for that supposedly “immoral” and “ineffective” barrier to be dismantled. This is just politics and a squandered opportunity to tie the extension they asked for 5 years ago to additional funding for Democratic initiatives.

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