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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    My answer to that has not changed in 45 years. Everyone should have to obey the law. No if, ands, or buts. My ancestors were immigrants. They came to this country legally. They did not sneak in. They did not break our laws. I cannot understand how that is such a problem for the left.
    That doesn't answer my question or address any point I've been making in the conversation you jumped into. Why did you bother?

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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If you don't reduce illegal demand then you won't reduce illegal supply - it's really that simple. If having/using X (by adults) is not illegal then why should selling X (to adults) be illegal?
    You cant reduce demand with law enforcement. Its really that simple. Instead we should LEGALIZE demand.

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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    You cant reduce demand with law enforcement. Its really that simple. Instead we should LEGALIZE demand.
    Are you now advocating open borders to legalize any and all immigration?
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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you now advocating open borders to legalize any and all immigration?
    No, I support legalizing anyone who has a job. If an employer has a job opening they cant fill, and a foreigner is willing to take it, give them a work visa.

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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, I support legalizing anyone who has a job. If an employer has a job opening they cant fill, and a foreigner is willing to take it, give them a work visa.
    I partly agree, but why would you give a work visa to someone that has illegally entered the country on the condition that they remain employed to a specific employer/position? Granting "guest worker" visas based on a specific class of job skills (say carpenters) is OK but when that visa is for a specific employer then it is only one notch above slavery. If the work visa expires (or is deemed invalidated) simply because that "guest worker" decides to work for a different US employer then it allows too much opportunity for worker exploitation.
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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I partly agree, but why would you give a work visa to someone that has illegally entered the country on the condition that they remain employed to a specific employer/position? Granting "guest worker" visas based on a specific class of job skills (say carpenters) is OK but when that visa is for a specific employer then it is only one notch above slavery. If the work visa expires (or is deemed invalidated) simply because that "guest worker" decides to work for a different US employer then it allows too much opportunity for worker exploitation.
    They wont have entered illegally. Everyone employed on farms or as maids, or whatever, will have been hired from a pool of people waiting for a job. Without the excessive govt laws and law enforcement that caused employers to hire illegals in the first place, why would they continue to do so? Anyone who wants a job will be able to enter legally, so why would they be sneaking in? Theres no jobs for them. Problem solved.

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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    They wont have entered illegally. Everyone employed on farms or as maids, or whatever, will have been hired from a pool of people waiting for a job. Without the excessive govt laws and law enforcement that caused employers to hire illegals in the first place, why would they continue to do so? Anyone who wants a job will be able to enter legally, so why would they be sneaking in? Theres no jobs for them. Problem solved.
    The obvious problem with that (bolded above) is that assumes that such job openings exist. Where would this pool of foreign national job seekers reside and how could employers possibly interview them?
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    Re: If you watched both sides letís have a discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The obvious problem with that (bolded above) is that assumes that such job openings exist. Where would this pool of foreign national job seekers reside and how could employers possibly interview them?
    Im not writing a bill here. Im simply pointing out that illegal behavior is caused by govt, not solved. IE, excessive regulation. Get rid of it and the problem goes away. Instead youre suggesting some war on illegal labor, which like all the other wars on X, dont work. They just make it more enticing for criminals to game the system.

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