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Checkerboard Strangler said:
It is possible if these vets aren't in the VA system yet and are only getting federal assistance in the form of welfare, food stamps and housing vouchers.
The problem is, it takes a very long time for VA disability claims to get processed, even in the best of times, it's just a lengthy bureaucratic process, that's all.
Right now, with the government being shut down, that process is at a total halt but so are all federal grants to states for assistance, and the federal monies themselves.
Some veteran service organizations try to help vets by lining them up with welfare, housing assistance grants and food stamps until their VA disability claims come through, and here is where our buddy Plutonium might be feeling the pinch.

My suggestion, if your total number of tenants is something like a half dozen or so, is to contact the American Red Cross and see if they are able to come up with emergency funding to tide you over in the interim. You have nothing to lose for asking. The Red Cross can give the funds to the veterans and the veterans can pay you your rent.

Not guaranteeing it will work but the fact that it is wintertime may help your case, as the Red Cross isn't keen on allowing homeless people to be thrown out into the winter cold. Those are some of the people the Red Cross tries to help. It's what they do.
They might not give YOU the money directly but they probably will help the veterans.

My wife and I help disabled vets who aren't yet in the system, and we even refer to them as "Veterans who haven't come in from the cold".
It's a widespread phenomenon, disabled vets who are either stuck in the mindset that asking for their claim is begging for charity or who are so proud that they believe that they shouldn't ask Uncle Sam for something Uncle Sam owes them, or thinking that Uncle Sam DOESN'T owe them to begin with.

Plutonium, if your tenants are disabled, either physically or because of PTSD or otherwise, they should all be seeking help from VA disablity law firms to help them process their disability claims.
It would make their lives a lot better.
In fact, for most of them, it would transform their lives entirely.
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I think that you may have replied to the wrong post. My brother is in the (appeal?) process of getting his VA disability percentage increased and that is being affected by the current partial shutdown.
 
Praxas said:
Again, that is STILL on the Republicans and Trump. As I mentioned when the Dem house takes over it is up to them to come up with a plan and send it to the senate. If McConnel still doesn't put it up for a vote, then the shutdown is still on the Republicans because McConnel won't even put it up for a vote.

Just as I didn't like the Dems holding up bills without voting, I don't like the Republicans doing the same thing. The house and senate should follow the rules and if those two come up with a compromise, send it to Trump and let HIM veto it. Then it goes back to see if they can overiide. THAT is the process and THAT is what should be done. Not this "I refuse to even hold a vote on it because I don't like it" **** that BOTH the Dems and Republicans do when they hold control on the house or senate.
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I agree about not holding Bill's. Its political cowardice

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Checkerboard Strangler said:
What, the attitude that "bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view"?

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Too bad that you didn't elect enough chumps of your own but you're not going to find any over here.
Now, as your boss already said, this is his shutdown, and as he already said, he is proud of his shutdown.

You need to get off our tit and start asking your boss some serious questions, but you won't, because for you, a government shutdown isn't a bug, it's a feature. When you guys talk about government being broken, you're not complaining, you're BOASTING.

And you seem to think we're stupid enough not to understand that.

Next, he's going to shut down the border entirely, and it's going to cost everyone in business millions, maybe even billions. And a lot of those people will be Republicans. And once again, when you do the
"IN EMERGENCY - BREAK GLASS AND BLAME DEMOCRATS" thing, I will once again remind you that your hero is proud of his shutdown, and so are you guys, his worshipping brethren.

The flaw here is in the way you guys think, not us.
He was ready to sign the previous bill until RW hate radio started taunting him.

Your hero is an idiot who does whatever Fox or AM radio tells him to.

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I think completely shutting the border down was an empty threat. As far as the gov shutdown goes I cod care less how long it takes for the Dems to concede.

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plutonium said:
I rent apartments to used to be homeless veterans and regular veterans. Some of them did not get there checks that is suppose to come at the end of December. These are older disabled vets!!! Thanks a F--king lot Trump!!
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"their checks.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I think that you may have replied to the wrong post. My brother is in the (appeal?) process of getting his VA disability percentage increased and that is being affected by the current partial shutdown.
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No no, mine was a rather general reply and I hope that Plutonium is reading it as well.
Yes, your brother's claim is halted right now, and it sucks ass.

I wish him the best of luck with his ratings appeal. I hope he gets it soon.
 
trouble13 said:
I think completely shutting the border down was an empty threat. As far as the gov shutdown goes I cod care less how long it takes for the Dems to concede.

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It must be nice to lead a life that is lucky enough to be insulated from the consequences of one's own values and beliefs.
There's no shortage of old stories and parables that reflect widely on that.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
It must be nice to lead a life that is lucky enough to be insulated from the consequences of one's own values and beliefs.
There's no shortage of old stories and parables that reflect widely on that.
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That's not true at all. Imo the consequences of not getting the problem at the border under control far outweigh the consequences of shutting down a small portion of gov.

And it's not like people have not attempted to find alternative solutions prior to this.

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trouble13 said:
That's not true at all. Imo the consequences of not getting the problem at the border under control far outweigh the consequences of shutting down a small portion of gov.

And it's not like people have not attempted to find alternative solutions prior to this.

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Well its a little hard to make that argument when one of the Departments with either furloughed or unpaid employees is.........DHS!
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No no, mine was a rather general reply and I hope that Plutonium is reading it as well.
Yes, your brother's claim is halted right now, and it sucks ass.

I wish him the best of luck with his ratings appeal. I hope he gets it soon.
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Thank you. It seems promising for him at this point. The appeal decision was supposed to be finalized by the end of February. The odd thing is that his appeal is based entirely on the VA's own personnel and their paperwork. His initial request was denied stating that his service connected disability (back/nerve injury) did not "affect his gait" yet he has been given a both a cane and walker by the VA - specifically stating they were required to help with his balance and walking issues resulting from his back/nerve injury.
 
trouble13 said:
I think completely shutting the border down was an empty threat. As far as the gov shutdown goes I cod care less how long it takes for the Dems to concede.

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See? Thanks for confirming what I said earlier.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
When you guys talk about government being broken, you're not complaining, you're BOASTING.
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Why would you think Trump's promise to shut down the entire border is an empty threat?
It would be another fulfillment of your ultimate fantasy, no government whatsoever.
 
trouble13 said:
That's not true at all. Imo the consequences of not getting the problem at the border under control far outweigh the consequences of shutting down a small portion of gov.

And it's not like people have not attempted to find alternative solutions prior to this.

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Yeah, like the last couple of times the Dems brought an even bigger pot of money to Trump and it was turned down by Republicans, just before this last bill. He could have HAD his twenty-five billion.

And it IS true that you couldn't care less about the government being shut down. I've talked with you enough to understand your values at this point. You're just another Republican who thinks government is unnecessary and evil in every respect, and that we'd be far better off with a system that resembles the Articles of Confederation, you're just not quite ready to take the final step into the final frontier but I am sure that as time goes on, you will wind up as another "sovereign citizen" who believe that they are outside of the law entirely.

Blame the Democrats for everything, that's your motto.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Thank you. It seems promising for him at this point. The appeal decision was supposed to be finalized by the end of February. The odd thing is that his appeal is based entirely on the VA's own personnel and their paperwork. His initial request was denied stating that his service connected disability (back/nerve injury) did not "affect his gait" yet he has been given a both a cane and walker by the VA - specifically stating they were required to help with his balance and walking issues resulting from his back/nerve injury.
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The VA routinely denies stuff like this not to be evil but because of the way the appeals process works.
First time in, nobody in medical even sees the claim at all, because there are so very many that they just have to cull to get to the meat of the matter. So the very first claim is seen by a low level pencil pusher who has had the Fear of God put into them NOT to "allow possibly fraudulent claims" to advance past a first tier.
So at most, they rate you 20% disabled no matter what, sometimes even ten percent.

Of course for many this is absurd, so they appeal. The appeal STILL might only be seen by another pencil pusher. Same result.
If the NEXT appeal contains actions by either VA or outside medical people, THEN suddenly an actual DOCTOR reads over the material, and makes the recommendation for a realistic rating. Same thing if a VA disability attorney files the claim or the appeal, or both.
There are indeed ways (is it magic??) to get a doctor to read the material sooner. I wish I had enough legal expertise to better understand it, I just know that the disability attorneys have the secret sauce.

More often than not a doctor sees the claim on the first appeal, so your brother's case is a tad peculiar.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
See? Thanks for confirming what I said earlier.



Why would you think Trump's promise to shut down the entire border is an empty threat?
It would be another fulfillment of your ultimate fantasy, no government whatsoever.
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I wanted limited government not anarchy which is what no government is.

I find it interesting that you perceive me as boastful that the Gov is closed. I'm actually sadly disappointed that it needs to go to this extreme to try to get a wall

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uptower said:
Think he cares about Vets? Or the GOP does in general? They've always been a useful prop for the 'manly pro war' party, that's all.
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I have so had it with the false "veteran" homage our politicians give.

And then we are all supposed to play the same ridiculous game.
 
trouble13 said:
I dont think he has the votes to do it with Corker and flake still in the Senate.

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Yes of course, you need to get all those traitorous moderates out as soon as possible and replace them with True Trump Believers who will rubber stamp anything he wants. You need that badly. In fact, the perfect scenario would be a terrorist attack and a Trump Enabling Act that grants him unitary authority OVER the entire Congress completely.
That would be perfection for you guys, a Fuhrerprinzip.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
The VA routinely denies stuff like this not to be evil but because of the way the appeals process works.
First time in, nobody in medical even sees the claim at all, because there are so very many that they just have to cull to get to the meat of the matter. So the very first claim is seen by a low level pencil pusher who has had the Fear of God put into them NOT to "allow possibly fraudulent claims" to advance past a first tier.
So at most, they rate you 20% disabled no matter what, sometimes even ten percent.

Of course for many this is absurd, so they appeal. The appeal STILL might only be seen by another pencil pusher. Same result.
If the NEXT appeal contains actions by either VA or outside medical people, THEN suddenly an actual DOCTOR reads over the material, and makes the recommendation for a realistic rating. Same thing if a VA disability attorney files the claim or the appeal, or both.
There are indeed ways (is it magic??) to get a doctor to read the material sooner. I wish I had enough legal expertise to better understand it, I just know that the disability attorneys have the secret sauce.

More often than not a doctor sees the claim on the first appeal, so your brother's case is a tad peculiar.
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The last form that he had to send in had an option to expedite (take four weeks off of) the process if he would assure them that no further evidence/testimony was forthcoming. The document issuing him the walker was added a few months ago and they had assured him that it had been included in his appeal package.
 
trouble13 said:
I wanted limited government not anarchy which is what no government is.

I find it interesting that you perceive me as boastful that the Gov is closed. I'm actually sadly disappointed that it needs to go to this extreme to try to get a wall

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Spare me. I'm weary of all the nonsense about "limited government". It's already limited beyond what is even necessary to accomplish anything as it is right now. You guys have been screeching about drowning the government in a bathtub for over a decade, and before that you spent the thirty years prior demonizing the government in general, advocating for privatizing as much of it as possible.

You guys have already gotten what you wanted, a broken government that only serves the oligarchs.
You don't even recognize that you're already living the dream, because you were so sure that the results would be wonderful.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The last form that he had to send in had an option to expedite (take four weeks off of) the process if he would assure them that no further evidence/testimony was forthcoming. The document issuing him the walker was added a few months ago and they had assured him that it had been included in his appeal package.
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Do you mind if I ask what his main disability is. If it's a progressive condition, this appeals process will be something that has to be revisited once every five or ten years as his disability progresses. If it's neurological, make sure that he joins the Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA) which is the paralyzed veteran offshoot of orgs like the DAV.

They will be happy to help him as much as they can. So will the DAV for that matter.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Do you mind if I ask what his main disability is. If it's a progressive condition, this appeals process will be something that has to be revisited once every five or ten years as his disability progresses. If it's neurological, make sure that he joins the Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA) which is the paralyzed veteran offshoot of orgs like the DAV.

They will be happy to help him as much as they can. So will the DAV for that matter.
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It was diagnosed as crushed/displaced discs in his back from a vehicle falling on him while stationed in Germany. The condition's symptoms are intermittent and they seem unsure if it will get any worse but doubt that it will ever get any better - his condition has not changed in well over a decade. They have given him some kind of numbing injections a few times but they don't last long. He has found that a chiropractor's treatment (also covered by the VA) is at least as effective and he has not had any more of the injection treatments.

I have a similar condition (from a motorcycle crash and confirmed by MRI exams) with three herniated discs and one fragmented disc which occasionally shifts, putting pressure on the nerves inside the spinal column, causing either 'ghost pain' or numbness in my leg - that seems to either go away by itself after a few days or after sleeping (on my side) with a pillow between my knees for a few nights. They said mine could be 'fixed' with back surgery but I declined once I found that I could live with it - the idea of fusing multiple vertebrae together sounded like a bad idea to me.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It was diagnosed as crushed/displaced discs in his back from a vehicle falling on him while stationed in Germany. The condition's symptoms are intermittent and they seem unsure if it will get any worse but doubt that it will ever get any better - his condition has not changed in well over a decade. They have given him some kind of numbing injections a few times but they don't last long. He has found that a chiropractor's treatment (also covered by the VA) is at least as effective and he has not had any more of the injection treatments.

I have a similar condition (from a motorcycle crash and confirmed by MRI exams) with three herniated discs and one fragmented disc which occasionally shifts, putting pressure on the nerves inside the spinal column, causing either 'ghost pain' or numbness in my leg - that seems to either go away by itself after a few days or after sleeping (on my side) with a pillow between my knees for a few nights. They said mine could be 'fixed' with back surgery but I declined once I found that I could live with it - the idea of fusing multiple vertebrae together sounded like a bad idea to me.
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DAV for both of you, unless either of you wind up with paralysis from it, which of course I hope you're both spared from.
Take full advantage of these veteran service organizations because often times you will find they have at least one or two national service officers who are like walking encyclopedias about benefits and how to work the claims process.

These guys are sherpas who will guide you and your brother.
Karen's PVA guy was an absolute godsend.
 
plutonium said:
I rent apartments to used to be homeless veterans and regular veterans. Some of them did not get there checks that is suppose to come at the end of December. These are older disabled vets!!! Thanks a F--king lot Trump!!
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I got mine, however I have it directed deposited instead of getting a paper check.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It was diagnosed as crushed/displaced discs in his back from a vehicle falling on him while stationed in Germany. The condition's symptoms are intermittent and they seem unsure if it will get any worse but doubt that it will ever get any better - his condition has not changed in well over a decade. They have given him some kind of numbing injections a few times but they don't last long. He has found that a chiropractor's treatment (also covered by the VA) is at least as effective and he has not had any more of the injection treatments.

I have a similar condition (from a motorcycle crash and confirmed by MRI exams) with three herniated discs and one fragmented disc which occasionally shifts, putting pressure on the nerves inside the spinal column, causing either 'ghost pain' or numbness in my leg - that seems to either go away by itself after a few days or after sleeping (on my side) with a pillow between my knees for a few nights. They said mine could be 'fixed' with back surgery but I declined once I found that I could live with it - the idea of fusing multiple vertebrae together sounded like a bad idea to me.
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I would go with checkerboards advice and have him seek advocacy groups specializing in such, truthfully back injuries are on the va's top denial list, as back injuries are extremely common and the govt does not want to pay out on it. I will put it this way, short of a back injury that makes it to where you can not bend over at all, most are lucky to see 20% compensation, many just flat out denied. However there are ways around their craptastic system of auto denial, but you need someone on your side who knows how the va system works or you need some serious research in it.

What makes it confusing is that the va has default compensation for back injuries which is among the lowest the va pays out, however you can get compensation for other things including symptoms of such, but the va obviously is not always straightfowards about such stuff.
 
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