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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    The reports mean nothing to me or rank and file Americans. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that climate change occurs, however it is natural. Climate is never in a permanent static state with or without man industrializing the planet. Man has somehow managed to survive and thrive in previous climate change cycles and will do so in the next one. Most of us do not buy into the "Chicken Little...The sky is falling" scenarios.
    You can’t just ignore the overwhelming evidence of manmade global warming. There you also for example have 31 leading American scientific societies acknowledging the urgent need for action to combat manmade global warming.

    http://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/06282016.pdf

    That if you for some reason doesn’t believe all those scientists you should be able to provide alternative theories. There both Bush, Trump and Republicans in congress could have directed government funds to find evidence against man made global warming if any such evidence existed. Instead for example NASA continue their research and presentation of the devastating effects of manmade global warming.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/

    Fossil fuel companies have also great financial motivation to disprove manmade global warming. While also being amongst the wealthiest companies in the world. There the result is that fossil fuel haven't been able to find any evidence against climate change from C02. Instead the evidence of manmade global warming is so overwhelming that the fossil fuel compaies have to acknowledge it on their websites.

    https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/...s/our-position

    https://www.equinor.com/en/how-and-w...te-change.html

    Also that two thirds of Americans give priority to developing renewables over fossil fuel. It was also two thirds of Americans that wanted US to stay in the Paris accord.

    Most in US say alternative energy takes priority over fossil fuels

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...eement/528663/

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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

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    Temperatures have been changing over the period of this interglacial with constancy. Sometimes the change is up and sometimes the change is down.

    We are currently warming from about the coldest point in this interglacial over the last 9000 or so years.

    This is normal climate variation. Correlation to the change in the CO2 concentration is very likely only a correlation, not a causation.

    The prescription for saving the planet is to kill 7 billion people as we return to a world free of fossil fuels.

    Killing the race is an interesting approach to saving the race.
    Yes temperature have changed in the past while the evidence is overwhelming that the warming we see now is because of manmade global warming from C02.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

    https://royalsociety.org/topics-poli...es/question-2/

    Also that our human societies are very vulnerable to climate changes and extreme weather. For example the 10 worst climate driven disasters during 2018 cost 85 billion dollars.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davideb.../#5c9f6a412680

    There manmade global warming will lead to climate driven disasters become more common and costlier. There you also will have a lot of other negative effects from manmade global warming.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

    https://royalsociety.org/topics-poli...s/question-17/

    While you can also combine action to combat manmade global warming and toxic pollutants with a strong economy. For example Sweden is one of the most sustainable countries in the world that implemented a carbon tax as early as 1995.

    How Sweden Became the World?s Most Sustainable Country: Top 5 Reasons

    While also ranking second on Forbes best country for Business list.

    https://www.forbes.com/best-countrie...business/list/

    Also having countries, communinities, corporation and individuals leading the way in the transition away from fossil fuels have drastically reduced the cost of renewables. So that even Republican politcians are on a local level starting to see the benefits of renewable energy.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuar.../#631e530f3da7

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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    You can’t just ignore the overwhelming evidence of manmade global warming. There you also for example have 31 leading American scientific societies acknowledging the urgent need for action to combat manmade global warming.
    But it apparently completely OK to ignore my challenge to explain how any of it is ever going to be bad at any location in the world at all.

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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    But it apparently completely OK to ignore my challenge to explain how any of it is ever going to be bad at any location in the world at all.
    As I wrote in my previous post, human societies are very vulnerable to climate changes and extreme weather. For example the 10 worst climate driven disasters during 2018 cost 85 billion dollars.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davideb.../#735b167c2680

    There for example NASA have showed how extreme weathers will be more common because of climate change and you will also have a lot of other devasting effects. With this regional effects for the US.

    "Northeast. Heat waves, heavy downpours and sea level rise pose growing challenges to many aspects of life in the Northeast. Infrastructure, agriculture, fisheries and ecosystems will be increasingly compromised. Many states and cities are beginning to incorporate climate change into their planning.

    Northwest. Changes in the timing of streamflow reduce water supplies for competing demands. Sea level rise, erosion, inundation, risks to infrastructure and increasing ocean acidity pose major threats. Increasing wildfire, insect outbreaks and tree diseases are causing widespread tree die-off.

    Southeast. Sea level rise poses widespread and continuing threats to the regionís economy and environment. Extreme heat will affect health, energy, agriculture and more. Decreased water availability will have economic and environmental impacts.

    Midwest. Extreme heat, heavy downpours and flooding will affect infrastructure, health, agriculture, forestry, transportation, air and water quality, and more. Climate change will also exacerbate a range of risks to the Great Lakes.

    Southwest. Increased heat, drought and insect outbreaks, all linked to climate change, have increased wildfires. Declining water supplies, reduced agricultural yields, health impacts in cities due to heat, and flooding and erosion in coastal areas are additional concerns."


    https://climate.nasa.gov/effects/

    While Meeting the Paris Agreement could save a millions lives per year globally just by reducing air pollutions.

    ďMeeting the goals of the Paris Agreement could save about a million lives a year worldwide by 2050 through reductions in air pollution alone. The latest estimates from leading experts also indicate that the value of health gains from climate action would be approximately double the cost of mitigation policies at global level, and the benefit-to-cost ratio is even higher in countries such as China and India.Ē

    https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...eXVwFv2zfvJ3dA
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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    As I wrote in my previous post, human societies are very vulnerable to climate changes and extreme weather. For example the 10 worst climate driven disasters during 2018 cost 85 billion dollars.

    But phobic about actually looking at any particular polace and seeing exactly what will be the impact there.

    Hand waving about the globe is a way of evading the fact that there is no real problem when you drill down into it.

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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    You canít just ignore the overwhelming evidence of manmade global warming. There you also for example have 31 leading American scientific societies acknowledging the urgent need for action to combat manmade global warming.

    http://www.aaas.org/sites/default/files/06282016.pdf

    That if you for some reason doesnít believe all those scientists you should be able to provide alternative theories. There both Bush, Trump and Republicans in congress could have directed government funds to find evidence against man made global warming if any such evidence existed. Instead for example NASA continue their research and presentation of the devastating effects of manmade global warming.

    https://climate.nasa.gov/

    Fossil fuel companies have also great financial motivation to disprove manmade global warming. While also being amongst the wealthiest companies in the world. There the result is that fossil fuel haven't been able to find any evidence against climate change from C02. Instead the evidence of manmade global warming is so overwhelming that the fossil fuel compaies have to acknowledge it on their websites.

    https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/...s/our-position

    https://www.equinor.com/en/how-and-w...te-change.html

    Also that two thirds of Americans give priority to developing renewables over fossil fuel. It was also two thirds of Americans that wanted US to stay in the Paris accord.

    Most in US say alternative energy takes priority over fossil fuels

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...eement/528663/
    Once again, no matter how many cherry picked links you post, there is in fact no smoking gun evidence of man made global warming. I am still waiting on the so-called man made global cooling that scientists promised in the 1970s. They were just as sure of their predictions. These scare hoaxes have been going on since 1895.Okay?

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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    You canít just ignore the overwhelming evidence of manmade global warming. There you also for example have 31 leading American scientific societies acknowledging the urgent need for action to combat manmade global warming. . . .
    ". . . I should also add that science is not a democracy. The majority is not necessarily right! You should also be careful and make the distinction between evidence for warming and evidence for warming by humans. There is in fact no evidence for the latter. Last, people may frighten you with secondary climate effects associated with global warming, on the sea level, cryosphere, droughts floods or economic effects. However, if the underlying climate model is fundamentally wrong, all the ensuing predictions are irrelevant. . . . "


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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Once again, no matter how many cherry picked links you post, there is in fact no smoking gun evidence of man made global warming. I am still waiting on the so-called man made global cooling that scientists promised in the 1970s. They were just as sure of their predictions. These scare hoaxes have been going on since 1895.Okay?

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    I have provided links to reports published by the federal goverment under Donald Trump that statet that there are an urging need for action to combat manmade global warming. Can you provide any links to federal reports that state that manmade global warming isn't real? That Bush was president for eight years and Trump have been president for two years so they could have directed goverment funds to disprove manmade global warming if any evidence had existed.

    I have also provided direct links to fossil fuel companies' websites there they states that manmade global warming is real. What reason can they have for doing that beside the overwhelming evidence for manmade global warming?

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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post

    But phobic about actually looking at any particular polace and seeing exactly what will be the impact there.

    Hand waving about the globe is a way of evading the fact that there is no real problem when you drill down into it.
    Three of costliest disasters was in the US. Hurricane Florence with a estimated cost of 17 billions dollars, Hurricane Michael with a cost between 15 and 25 billions of dollars and the Camp Fire in California with a cost estimated to 7,5-10 billion dollars.

    There climate related disasters will become more frequent, deadlier and costlier both in the US and the rest of the world.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/extreme...k-place-in-us/

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    Re: Climate scientists give clear warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    Three of costliest disasters was in the US. Hurricane Florence with a estimated cost of 17 billions dollars, Hurricane Michael with a cost between 15 and 25 billions of dollars and the Camp Fire in California with a cost estimated to 7,5-10 billion dollars.

    There climate related disasters will become more frequent, deadlier and costlier both in the US and the rest of the world.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/extreme...k-place-in-us/
    None of the three was climate change-related.
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