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Trump Train Losing Steam

zimmer said:
1. We have zero idea who the nominee of the Socialists of America Partei is (SAP).

2. Democrats just took the House. Democrats, by all indications are going to **** on their shoes.

3. Trump is a fearless fighter... unlike a Bush, McCain or Romney.

4. We heard the same drivel from the media from the day Trump announced. Final result: 306 - 232... Hillary is not, president.

5. Trump has righted the economy after Obama’s Reign-of-Error.

Good Luck!!!

ROTFLOL...
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3. Trump is a fearless fighter... unlike a Bush, McCain or Romney.

That he is. Nonetheless, he is totally incompetent. He bankrupted 6 companies and had to be saved by the Russians to get to this place and he is in the process of now bankrupting the United Staes.

NOT ROTFLOL!
 
Conaeolos said:
Since it has been shown time and time again that there are two bubbles and NBC has no clue what's happen in Trumps. As one who actually connects to the Trump side, yes there is some truth to a statement that Trump would have trouble with a demotivated base if an election were held today. A lot of that has to do with a general feeling of fatigue with TDS, the aftermath of a vicious campaign against Trump allies and a president in need of making compromises with a republican establishment to govern that many in his base despise.

I would not draw too many conclusions for 2020, Trump would be more than capable of turning this around with some wins and efforts to fire up the base. With the way things are looking, you can almost guarantee the swamp, democrats, media & big tech are their own worst enemy and make no mistake 2020 is theirs to lose. The people are passive and demands modest.

Trump for any shortcoming exposed something so insidious I don’t think most people even openly suspicious were expecting it to be this rotten. I also think we actually thought him more corrupt than he was based on what we seeing out of the investigations, but lots still to come.
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One thing I have learned in my life is that when something gets broken, even if you put the pieces together it is not as good. Trump lost the popular vote and this time he has also lost support from his base. He will not be successful in putting the pieces together. He is a walking disaster movie.
 
Luckyone said:
3. Trump is a fearless fighter... unlike a Bush, McCain or Romney.

That he is. Nonetheless, he is totally incompetent. He bankrupted 6 companies and had to be saved by the Russians to get to this place and he is in the process of now bankrupting the United Staes.

NOT ROTFLOL!
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Bankruptcy happens at times when you take risks and open businesses. You really ought to read Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s book... Antifragile, and especially the bits about entrepreneurs. These people are heroes. They create jobs, take risk and elevate standards.*

Incompetent... ROTFLOL...

He reinvigorated the economy almost instantaneously with his business friendly attitude.

He’s gutted smothering regulations galore.

The US is back atop the world business rankings.

He’s got the NATO freeloaders to pony up their meager share.

He shut down the moronic Iranian deal, Paris, TPP.

He’s done pretty well thus far with the imbecile in North Korea who has nukes.

Unemployment for minorities is at an all-time low.

The country is at full employment.

That’s a short list.

Not bad for an incompetent. May we have much more of this incompetence... ROTFLOL...

And... In 14-months he gutted Obama’s legacy...

BTW... what did Obama do? What’s his legacy beyond racial division, economic failure, poisoning the attitudes of weak-minded to the police? Oh yeah... it’s been reduced to a set of Parker pens.

*Obama failed at everything except getting elected. If you disagree, you obviously have no idea about his record of failure. And Obama never created a job... for he spent his life living off the taxpayer.
 
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Luckyone said:
He bankrupted 6 companies
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Out of how many ventures and as what % of his total investments?

It matters since the money supply is always less than all debts owing so there will always be a certain % of bankruptcies in the economy.

had to be saved by the Russians
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The same Russians he couldn't even make a deal with to build a Tower?

to get to this place
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So now not only was there major Russian interference but it was so significant it changed the results for one of the most confidently predicted Democratic elections in modern history? And not so much as to change the popular vote?

If you're so sure - how did they do it?

and he is in the process of now bankrupting the United Staes.
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I am not sure I disagree with you here - but then it's hardly the president that sets the budget alone. So blaming him or assuming it better under Hillary is based on very shaky foundations.
 
Conaeolos said:
Out of how many ventures and as what % of his total investments?

It matters since the money supply is always less than all debts owing so there will always be a certain % of bankruptcies in the economy.


The same Russians he couldn't even make a deal with to build a Tower?


So now not only was there major Russian interference but it was so significant it changed the results for one of the most confidently predicted Democratic elections in modern history? And not so much as to change the popular vote?

If you're so sure - how did they do it?


I am not sure I disagree with you here - but then it's hardly the president that sets the budget alone. So blaming him or assuming it better under Hillary is based on very shaky foundations.
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50-years of socialist schemes that cost way more than predicted, deliver far less than promised and Trump is responsible for bankrupting the country? Nope.

The 205 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities... Is due to Democrats and their idiotic schemes.

Obama doubled our debt... to 20 TRILLION.

It’s amazing how massively ignorant Leftists like Luckyone are. It’s why they’re Democrats.
 
Luckyone said:
One thing I have learned in my life is that when something gets broken, even if you put the pieces together it is not as good. Trump lost the popular vote and this time he has also lost support from his base. He will not be successful in putting the pieces together. He is a walking disaster movie.
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It's extreme to say he lost his base. Although, I agree based on everything I follow from his base. They are in large part demotivated; that is definitely far different than abandoning him.

Cernovich is a perfect example. He goes as far as to say he feels betrayed, but when you listen he hasn't fully abandoned him. He just is not going to invest energy for such a poor result.

That is really bad, but far from a disaster movie.

I would also note in terms of high profile influential figures, people like Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin did not vote for Trump and remain critical of him but I almost guarantee they would vote for him now because of the reactions to his victory.

Elections are all about influencers as the swing votes are most of what matters.

Now, I base this all on Biden as most likely candidate. I might even switch for a Biden depending a lot on platform. Biden is likeable and would be very hard for Trump to beat in 2020 regardless of anything, but let us not pretend he is for sure the nominee [in fact my gut says he will not be] and assuming he has no skeletons during that mud fight that is a presidential run. The magnifying glass has a profound effect.

Let's not forget. Quite a few of Trump's influencers have been recently deplatformed. Deplatforming has a backlash - the fruits of which we have yet to see as we are in the early stages of its roll out.
 
zimmer said:
50-years of socialist schemes that cost way more than predicted, deliver far less than promised and Trump is responsible for bankrupting the country? Nope.

The 205 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities... Is due to Democrats and their idiotic schemes.

Obama doubled our debt... to 20 TRILLION.

It’s amazing how massively ignorant Leftists like Luckyone are. It’s why they’re Democrats.
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It funny to see them say that one day then how we should raise spending later that same day. And I like a lot about Trump and have a lots of hope some of those long shot ideas from the campaign [getting money for military protection often to other nations, fair-trade] bear fruit. One thing he is not however is a clear solution on fiscal conservatism and the serious financial issues in America [and the west at large]. He might not be responsible but he very much is based on current action grouped in with those who built the problem. And there is certainly the real possibility he is the one holding the bag when thing start to be "bankruptcy" level.

He's no doubt got an uphill battle as desperately needed interest rates hikes[for years of inflating] eat most of the many gains. His solution though is based on growth which is mighty risky with all the current bubbles and high performers with bad fundamentals. It's 50/50 he make it to 2020 with good numbers and that far from his fault but 100% the position he put himself in with his marketing.
 
Conaeolos said:
Out of how many ventures and as what % of his total investments?

It matters since the money supply is always less than all debts owing so there will always be a certain % of bankruptcies in the economy.
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First of all, Trump had not shown much expertise in anything before he got involved with Russian money. In 1995 he owed close to $1 billion dollars and just about everything he touched had turned sour. How do you turn a Casino sour? In addition, he started with $414 his Daddy gave him. With that kind of money even a child could make money but instead he turned $414 million into a $1 billion dollar loss.

The same Russians he couldn't even make a deal with to build a Tower
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He couldn't make the deal because the sanction's that were in place had to be removed first.

So now not only was there major Russian interference but it was so significant it changed the results for one of the most confidently predicted Democratic elections in modern history? And not so much as to change the popular vote?
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Advertising works. That is why Budweisser spends millions on it. It turns Coors drinkers into Budweisser drinkers. It turned people on the fence on the election from Hillary to Trump!

If you're so sure - how did they do it?
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See above


I am not sure I disagree with you here - but then it's hardly the president that sets the budget alone. So blaming him or assuming it better under Hillary is based on very shaky foundations.
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Remember that Trump has said "Only I can fix the problem" and so far he is slowly but surely getting rid of people that know what they are doing, to be replaced by "Yes" men. This is exactly how he bankrupted 6 companies
 
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Conaeolos said:
It's extreme to say he lost his base. Although, I agree based on everything I follow from his base. They are in large part demotivated; that is definitely far different than abandoning him.

Cernovich is a perfect example. He goes as far as to say he feels betrayed, but when you listen he hasn't fully abandoned him. He just is not going to invest energy for such a poor result.

That is really bad, but far from a disaster movie.

I would also note in terms of high profile influential figures, people like Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin did not vote for Trump and remain critical of him but I almost guarantee they would vote for him now because of the reactions to his victory.

Elections are all about influencers as the swing votes are most of what matters.

Now, I base this all on Biden as most likely candidate. I might even switch for a Biden depending a lot on platform. Biden is likeable and would be very hard for Trump to beat in 2020 regardless of anything, but let us not pretend he is for sure the nominee [in fact my gut says he will not be] and assuming he has no skeletons during that mud fight that is a presidential run. The magnifying glass has a profound effect.

Let's not forget. Quite a few of Trump's influencers have been recently deplatformed. Deplatforming has a backlash - the fruits of which we have yet to see as we are in the early stages of its roll out.
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A disaster movie usually starts with small and generally benign events and then builds to a crescendo. I see that same scenario occurring with Trump.

Keep in mind that the Tax cut and deregulation that helped the economy was something that the Republicans wanted to do before Trump even showed up. The only thing Trump did was jump into that bandwagon.

Now with his ego swelled up, he truly believes that he is the fixer (I alone can do it) and he can't. He is not smart enough and he is surrounding himself with only "Yes" men. The crescendo is coming and it will be a major disaster in the end.
 
zimmer said:
Tell me, what was Obama “fundamentally changing” America too? More individual liberty? No. More state control.
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That's a point to debate; what is the right balance between individual liberty and state control. Extremes of either don't work well.

The media passed on reporting Hillary’s criminalities, and it is often reporting that:

1. Shapes public opinion.

2. Causes investigations to occur. You OBVIOUSLY did not watch the video, for that salient point was made clearly and concisely in said video.
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I did watch the video, but disagree that public opinion alone is what causes investigations to occur. If this administration is adamant on pursuing Clinton it can without the media support.



“Rest on your (my) laurels” when Hillary is locked up? I don’t think you understand that quoted phrase means... for your usage is odd to say the least.
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I understand what the phrase means, but used it awkwardly because I was thinking of its origin versus the implication of complacency; so yes, odd usage is fair.
 
Luckyone said:
A disaster movie usually starts with small and generally benign events and then builds to a crescendo. I see that same scenario occurring with Trump.

Keep in mind that the Tax cut and deregulation that helped the economy was something that the Republicans wanted to do before Trump even showed up. The only thing Trump did was jump into that bandwagon.

Now with his ego swelled up, he truly believes that he is the fixer (I alone can do it) and he can't. He is not smart enough and he is surrounding himself with only "Yes" men. The crescendo is coming and it will be a major disaster in the end.
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Well you seem very convinced in your narrative, luckyone; far more than that able to be covered in a post or two. Just try to remember you are likely from a bubble: as you are not a personal member of the group and you do not follow or associate, as such you are very unlikely to accurately understand the motives and reasoning as to why people supported Trump or why some of those people might choose to abandon or stop promoting him now.

You seem very convinced he is an evil man. You seem convinced smart reasonable people can't support him. They do.

As a start, If Trump made this all up then why say this in 1988?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
 
Luckyone said:
He started with $414 his Daddy gave him. With that kind of money even a child could make money but instead he turned $414 million into a $1 billion dollar loss.
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I think I should challenge the silliness of this principle as it is absolutely insane.

In what way is it easy to make money? If it were true people wouldn't be struggling so much and a hell of a lot more could actually retire. The average Americans retirement savings are dire.

These market averages are just that and often fail to take in to account many factors : fluctuations, inflation, risk costs, income tax to living expenses. If Trump is worth 3 billion today [Forbes] then even if you arbitrarily start him at 414 M at some point in the past his ROI is well within solid investor levels and above any low risk child strategies.

And just so we are all clear, everyone wants to look as poor as possible on tax returns. They must be taken in context. Real-estate assets do fluctuate as well as other factors at the time. There is no doubt trump tends to inflate numbers including net worth but estimating him as verging on bankruptcy is simply not consistent with the objectively known facts.
 
Luckyone said:
3. Trump is a fearless fighter... unlike a Bush, McCain or Romney.

That he is. Nonetheless, he is totally incompetent. He bankrupted 6 companies and had to be saved by the Russians to get to this place and he is in the process of now bankrupting the United Staes.

NOT ROTFLOL!
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Is trying and failing, but then trying again with renewed vigor and ambition better or worse than never trying?

How many Companies did Obama run?

Out of curiosity, how much faster will Trump need to run up the debt than the current rate to double it as both of his predecessors did?

You have an odd view of reality.
 
Conaeolos said:
Well you seem very convinced in your narrative, luckyone; far more than that able to be covered in a post or two. Just try to remember you are likely from a bubble: as you are not a personal member of the group and you do not follow or associate, as such you are very unlikely to accurately understand the motives and reasoning as to why people supported Trump or why some of those people might choose to abandon or stop promoting him now.

You seem very convinced he is an evil man. You seem convinced smart reasonable people can't support him. They do.

As a start, If Trump made this all up then why say this in 1988?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
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I am 73 years old and have lived a full life (lots of experience), In addition, I have been very successful as a salesman, meaning I have always been a good judge of character. Trump is a person that has no morals, ethics, principles, or humanity. In addition, he is generally incompetent.

As far as his support is concerned, show me who supports him that is renowned for his knowledge and expertise? On the other side of the coin, I can name hundreds of respected and extremely knowledgeable people that agree with me!
 
code1211 said:
Is trying and failing, but then trying again with renewed vigor and ambition better or worse than never trying?

How many Companies did Obama run?

Out of curiosity, how much faster will Trump need to run up the debt than the current rate to double it as both of his predecessors did?

You have an odd view of reality.
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Why are you always trying to compare Trump with Obama? Obama is no longer in charge and can't affect us. Trump can and as such, he is the problem that needs to be addressed. In addition solutions are what is needed, not just speculation or expanding knowledge of the problem.
 
Conaeolos said:
I think I should challenge the silliness of this principle as it is absolutely insane.

In what way is it easy to make money? If it were true people wouldn't be struggling so much and a hell of a lot more could actually retire. The average Americans retirement savings are dire.

These market averages are just that and often fail to take in to account many factors : fluctuations, inflation, risk costs, income tax to living expenses. If Trump is worth 3 billion today [Forbes] then even if you arbitrarily start him at 414 M at some point in the past his ROI is well within solid investor levels and above any low risk child strategies.

And just so we are all clear, everyone wants to look as poor as possible on tax returns. They must be taken in context. Real-estate assets do fluctuate as well as other factors at the time. There is no doubt trump tends to inflate numbers including net worth but estimating him as verging on bankruptcy is simply not consistent with the objectively known facts.
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His daddy knew Real Estate and that rubbed off on Trump. Whatever money Trump has made has been in Real Estate. He has been bad at everything else. Running a government cannot be done like Real Estate. His other failures (bankruptcies) are proof of this. Trump will have the United States fail. Are you going to let him do that?
 
Luckyone said:
His daddy knew Real Estate and that rubbed off on Trump. Whatever money Trump has made has been in Real Estate. He has been bad at everything else. Running a government cannot be done like Real Estate. His other failures (bankruptcies) are proof of this. Trump will have the United States fail. Are you going to let him do that?
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6 out of 500 or so companies have filed bankruptcies. How did your first company do?


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Luckyone said:
His daddy knew Real Estate and that rubbed off on Trump. Whatever money Trump has made has been in Real Estate. He has been bad at everything else. Running a government cannot be done like Real Estate. His other failures (bankruptcies) are proof of this. Trump will have the United States fail. Are you going to let him do that?
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Actually Donald is not even a sliver off the old block at least as it relates to actual real estate business. The only things Fred passed down to Donald was his massive corruption and $430M.
 
zimmer said:
ROTFLOL...

His approval numbers are as high as Obama’s at this point in his presidency...

... and he has a Democrat House and their idiocies to expose for 2-years.

The fun has only begun.

PS. Remember... Trump isn’t lame like a Bush, McCain or Romney... he fights back... and does so skillfully and successfully. It’s why he is POTUS and Criminal Hillary is not.
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Yes Trump was able to defraud voters with illegal campaign contributions and use Russian money, Russian espionage and agents to his advantage. Trump is "skillful" at cheating and lying to get what he wants. I get that you admire that but this country does not tolerate liars and cheaters who break the law. We prosecute them and put them in jail.
 
Luckyone said:
I am 73 years old and have lived a full life (lots of experience), In addition, I have been very successful as a salesman, meaning I have always been a good judge of character. Trump is a person that has no morals, ethics, principles, or humanity. In addition, he is generally incompetent.

As far as his support is concerned, show me who supports him that is renowned for his knowledge and expertise? On the other side of the coin, I can name hundreds of respected and extremely knowledgeable people that agree with me!
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My father in law made a similar subjective comment to me during the election. Who I would highlight I find highly intelligent and knowledge as a person overall with a good sense of people.

I truly worry for you both though having lived all those years and in them not being able to identify when your emotions have clouded your better sense and intelligence.

I could say of many popular politicians they have "no morals, ethics, principles", I can often prove it both objectively and subjectively. The truth is good men tend to avoid political arena and so much of politics is full of greys[all about how you frame it]. In no way however would that mean no person renowned for their knowledge and expertise could disagree or think contrary to my reasoning nor yours; in fact, I expect truth is often found hidden in some silent minority.

When you truly think so little of so many - I am not sure how you can miss you clearly fallen into the human trap of ideological possession.

Getting to live in one of the most beautiful and diverse places in the world, I hope you are able to find that human experience is full of diversity including intellectually and smart people get behind different public figures with different solutions and assessments from ones you might think right. In poltics we fight tooth and nail for what we think right, but all must accept in the end we are often wrong. I wish you luck.

Luckyone said:
Are you going to let him do that?
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I have many concerns about where we find ourselves, a little less than had Hillary won but currently trusting the system as legitment yes.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
6 out of 500 or so companies have filed bankruptcies. How did your first company do?


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Trump made most of his money by defrauding investors and using bankruptcy to protect him when they caught on. He's a con man not a real estate tycoon.
 
So darn funny when people decide that President Trump is this or that. The Trump train is losing steam? :lamo
So many threads with pronouncements about president Trump that prove out to be wrong time after time.

Clueless people that don't have a whit of an idea why Trump won and why he will most likely win in 2020!

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