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1. Trump is in over his head

Fletch said:
Wanna bet?
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Ill give you 2 to 1 that he either resigns, doesnt run again, is impeached or loses reelection.

Can be for a forum donation or a dare. Like the winner gets to choose losers avatar or sig line for a period of time.

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uptower said:
'Impressive list' is subjective and 'helped' is more or less the top 1%.

However yes, anything Trump does get right are just byproducts of his real aim, and it's hardly a big secret: he just wanted to be called president, not to actually do the job. He doesn't care, never did. He has has no vision for the country: he just likes sticking his name all over stuff and decided the oval office would be the feather in his cap, since by his own reckoning he had already 'achieved' everything else in life.

If he can overturn everything obama did since getting trounced in the birther department and crap on a few immigrants while he's at it, so much the better for him. But his real aim is just the plaque on the desk and to go around calling himself emperor.
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Donald J. Trump's Accomplishment's List | MAGA PILL
 
uptower said:
https://www.axios.com/donald-trump-...ncy-91e3755d-23cd-42d1-897d-c0c81ac509dd.html

And when congress gets their hands on his tax returns they'll know even more about how his business have profited from his candidacy and his presidency.
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What is the legal right to review the president's tax returns?

You have wandered into an interesting territory as you decide to discuss campaign spending.

Hillary raised more and spent more and managed to do less with more.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/

During the campaign Trump's Campaign relied heavily on the use of his private jet and his properties to stage events. The result was that he beat Hillary spending about 3/4 what she spent.

By that measure, who's more competent?

Also by that measure, using Trump Properties seems like a wise spending decision. Using them seems to be the wise spending decision.

Comparing Trump's travel to Obama's, according to Newsweek, Trump is running at a cost less than what Obama's rate: 10 million in 9 months vs 114 million in 8 years.

https://www.newsweek.com/obama-administration-travel-costs-114-million-trump-723883

Interestingly, Newsweek presents the story to "report" that Trump is spending way more. The actual rate will bring in Trump at a total below Obama. Trump spends less, Newsweek documents this and "reports" that he's spending more.

Wait! What?

Again, by that measure, who's more competent?
 
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gulfman said:
Obama was worthless and we put up with him for 8 years.We can put up with Trump for 6 more.
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Good post...
Liberal/Demos always shifts its problems on our President. If the liberal/Demos would do the right thing in helping us they would have a Demo president or a queen wannabe. America woke up and did the right thing.
Send my regards to Brn2bfree and willsblog. Always good hearing from ya.
 
OscarLevant said:
2. He's not up to the job

3. He's risen to the level of his own incompetence ( The Peter Principle )

4. His vast crimes are becoming known

5. He's becoming the pariah of the world

6. He's becoming unhinged, erratic, delusional

7. America is in deep do do
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liberal/Demos...gotta love em.
 
code1211 said:
Donald J. Trump's Accomplishment's List | MAGA PILL
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Yeah i'm not sure MAGA PILL, a fan site, is really a good source. Though they get some of their figures from the news it's a twist to attribute all of these 'accomplishments' to Trump and in the eyes of two thirds of the country, some of these aren't even 'accomplishments' at all.

A quick roundup:
1- cut 16,000 govt jobs: mostly in his own staff the way things are going
2- Cutting aid to palestinians and moving embassy to Jerusalem: fueling poverty and conflict
3- Civil service: hire the best and fire the worst? Umm yeah see point #1
4- Food stamp usage drops: not because people don't need stamps, because he took them away
5- Iran deal: see point #2

So it is subjective whether these are accomplishments. On job growth and the economy, well jobs have been going up for a while and the economy has been growing and the stock market has been booming and Trump inherited all that. Many signs point to a coming crash, and Trump will inherit that to be fair. No one president can take all the credit or all the blame.
 
code1211 said:
What is the legal right to review the president's tax returns?
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Well that is about to be tested in congress and the courts:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steven...d-should-demand-president-trumps-tax-returns/

code1211 said:
You have wandered into an interesting territory as you decide to discuss campaign spending. Hillary raised more and spent more and managed to do less with more.
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The only time I 'wander into' a discussion on Clinton is when I mention her. Probably in a thread about her.

Here, that's just changing the subject.

As is Obama's travel expenses. He took a lot more overseas trips because he was doing his job not hanging out at Mar A Largo.

And therein lies the problem, by constantly going back to his properties and conducting business there, Trump funnels donor and government money into his own businesses. Yes, by that measure he's a more competent spender than Clinton. And more corrupt.

And it is suspicion of this (and potential money laundering for the Russians) that makes congress interested in his taxes.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Helping him help America was always the right idea.
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You must have realized by now that with Trump, it's a one way street like most things in his life. It seems that most Trumpettes think that helping America is doing exactly what Trump wants, period.

You must have noticed all his former associates who he claimed were the best, honest people, suddenly become pathetic, very weak, liars when they become ex-associates. He's as loyal as he is honest.

Refusing to compromise and shutting down our government if he doesn't get his way will be another great example. I imaging it's the same way with his women.

Helping America requires compromise and input from all Americans...
 
SoCal said:
You must have realized by now that with Trump, it's a one way street like most things in his life. It seems that most Trumpettes think that helping America is doing exactly what Trump wants, period.

You must have noticed all his former associates who he claimed were the best, honest people, suddenly become pathetic, very weak, liars when they become ex-associates. He's as loyal as he is honest.

Refusing to compromise and shutting down our government if he doesn't get his way will be another great example. I imaging it's the same way with his women.

Helping America requires compromise and input from all Americans...
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You don't know Trump.

I Do.
 
Fletch said:
Wanna bet?
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In 1973 or so I bet a friend of mine $100 that Nixon wouldn't finish his second term and at that time officials of the administration were just trying to brush it off as not a big deal.

I'm basing this on my prior recollection of the Nixon Watergate Affair which is very similar to this one in terms of how it is developing, dynamics of, and the things people are saying.

My gut feeling is the same thing will happen to Trump however I'm not financially well enough to play with any money other than the $1 lottery ticket each week
 
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OscarLevant said:
I doubt he will finish his term
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there's death
and impeachment
and resignation
and the 25th amendment

do you anticipate one of those mechanisms or one not listed
 
justabubba said:
there's death
and impeachment
and resignation
and the 25th amendment

do you anticipate one of those mechanisms or one not listed
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Indictment, which will force an impeachment.


25th ? Nope, no way is the Veep going to be oin on that one. But....(read on)


Resignation? Only if senate repubs force it and an indictment would probably suffice.


Then again, Trump may fight it, he's not like Nixon.

25th, only if he isn't implicated and senators force him to do it if Trump refuses to resign.

He'll do it if trump refuses to resign and the senate twists his arm to do it .


That's my take on it.
 
gulfman said:
Obama was worthless and we put up with him for 8 years.We can put up with Trump for 6 more.
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Late night comedians need him for job security.
Without Trump, they have no material.
They are not even very funny WITH Trump.
Without him they will crash and burn.
 
uptower said:
Yeah i'm not sure MAGA PILL, a fan site, is really a good source. Though they get some of their figures from the news it's a twist to attribute all of these 'accomplishments' to Trump and in the eyes of two thirds of the country, some of these aren't even 'accomplishments' at all.

A quick roundup:
1- cut 16,000 govt jobs: mostly in his own staff the way things are going
2- Cutting aid to palestinians and moving embassy to Jerusalem: fueling poverty and conflict
3- Civil service: hire the best and fire the worst? Umm yeah see point #1
4- Food stamp usage drops: not because people don't need stamps, because he took them away
5- Iran deal: see point #2

So it is subjective whether these are accomplishments. On job growth and the economy, well jobs have been going up for a while and the economy has been growing and the stock market has been booming and Trump inherited all that. Many signs point to a coming crash, and Trump will inherit that to be fair. No one president can take all the credit or all the blame.
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Yeah, gutting the EPA and the State Department is nothing to brag about. That site is pure hype, cannot trust it at all, for example " Trump negotiates peace between NK and USA". that is pure hype.


He didn't sign the paris accord, he eliminated many NECESSARY environmental regulations, and they are bragging about it, etc.


it's all hype.
 
uptower said:
Yeah i'm not sure MAGA PILL, a fan site, is really a good source. Though they get some of their figures from the news it's a twist to attribute all of these 'accomplishments' to Trump and in the eyes of two thirds of the country, some of these aren't even 'accomplishments' at all.

A quick roundup:
1- cut 16,000 govt jobs: mostly in his own staff the way things are going
2- Cutting aid to palestinians and moving embassy to Jerusalem: fueling poverty and conflict
3- Civil service: hire the best and fire the worst? Umm yeah see point #1
4- Food stamp usage drops: not because people don't need stamps, because he took them away
5- Iran deal: see point #2

So it is subjective whether these are accomplishments. On job growth and the economy, well jobs have been going up for a while and the economy has been growing and the stock market has been booming and Trump inherited all that. Many signs point to a coming crash, and Trump will inherit that to be fair. No one president can take all the credit or all the blame.
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Well, the points you bring up are are a little hard to fact check.

Point 4 is the only one that might be trackable. What program(s) has Trump initiated or stopped to take away food stamps from recipients?

Please provide links. I couldn't find one such initiation or termination.
 
uptower said:
Well that is about to be tested in congress and the courts:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steven...d-should-demand-president-trumps-tax-returns/



The only time I 'wander into' a discussion on Clinton is when I mention her. Probably in a thread about her.

Here, that's just changing the subject.

As is Obama's travel expenses. He took a lot more overseas trips because he was doing his job not hanging out at Mar A Largo.

And therein lies the problem, by constantly going back to his properties and conducting business there, Trump funnels donor and government money into his own businesses. Yes, by that measure he's a more competent spender than Clinton. And more corrupt.

And it is suspicion of this (and potential money laundering for the Russians) that makes congress interested in his taxes.
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So, then, no legal right to look at the tax returns of Trump before he was President. That's all I was asking about.

What did Obama accomplish on his overseas trips? It seems like Trump has done a whole bunch more in two years than Obama did in 8. Whether or not the things completed will end up as a net positive for the country or a net negative is yet to be determined.

That said, though, it's impossible to deny that Trump has done a lot.
 
uptower said:
Yeah i'm not sure MAGA PILL, a fan site, is really a good source. Though they get some of their figures from the news it's a twist to attribute all of these 'accomplishments' to Trump and in the eyes of two thirds of the country, some of these aren't even 'accomplishments' at all.

A quick roundup:
1- cut 16,000 govt jobs: mostly in his own staff the way things are going
2- Cutting aid to palestinians and moving embassy to Jerusalem: fueling poverty and conflict
3- Civil service: hire the best and fire the worst? Umm yeah see point #1
4- Food stamp usage drops: not because people don't need stamps, because he took them away
5- Iran deal: see point #2

So it is subjective whether these are accomplishments. On job growth and the economy, well jobs have been going up for a while and the economy has been growing and the stock market has been booming and Trump inherited all that. Many signs point to a coming crash, and Trump will inherit that to be fair. No one president can take all the credit or all the blame.
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I like how one of his "accomplishments" is getting his approval rating up to 51% in one poll.

"What has Trump accomplished?"

"He got more people to like him for a short time!"
 
code1211 said:
So, then, no legal right to look at the tax returns of Trump before he was President. That's all I was asking about.

What did Obama accomplish on his overseas trips? It seems like Trump has done a whole bunch more in two years than Obama did in 8. Whether or not the things completed will end up as a net positive for the country or a net negative is yet to be determined.

That said, though, it's impossible to deny that Trump has done a lot.
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Well I'm not really interested in his alleged and very subjective 'accomplishments' in this particular thread anymore. Suffice to say I disagree with most of his foreign and domestic policy initiatives and so do a majority of Americans. There are other places to debate those.

The topic here is his legal woes and it should hardly matter that he's doing other things you or I might agree or disagree with: If he's breaking the law and undermining the constitution, Congress will be looking into it.
 
PleasantValley said:
Late night comedians need him for job security.
Without Trump, they have no material.
They are not even very funny WITH Trump.
Without him they will crash and burn.
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It's true they rely a little heavily on him these days, so much so it's almost old hat. In fact it's practically superfluous since his shenanigans are so comical his presidency constitutes its own [dark] comedy show independent of what late night hosts do with it. I rarely watch them anymore because I'm tired of Trump jokes and just watching the news headlines, you know what the punchline will be anyway.

But let's be intellectually honest - they had a market before Trump and will continue to have one after. Especially since they and their audience lean towards the left, they'll always have the GOP to make fun of.
 
gulfman said:
Obama was worthless and we put up with him for 8 years.We can put up with Trump for 6 more.
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But why should we, the pertinent question is can we survive him … even for one term.
 
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