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What would you think if Trump is impeached and convicted?

I didn't say anything about a "political coup", either.

Why are you switching words around? Trying to find something special?

Yes, you did. A political coup that was legal.

Why are you running from your own posts?
 
If Trump is impeached and then convicted and put out of office, what would you think? Would you believe the evidence put forward by the investigations and thus it was the right thing to do? Would you think this is all a witch hunt and that it was nothing but a legal political coup?

If Trump is impeached Pence will probably be impeached as well. I would imagine both would be convicted. However, there is very little chance of Trump being impeached and convicted by the GOP controlled senate. In fact, the GOP senate should be impeached.

I do wonder how many members of the GOP senate have been compromised by Russia.
 
And then 50 years from now there Chelsea Clinton and her hubby will be sitting at a piano singing


Boy the way Bob Mueller preyed

Pleas that made the hit parade.

Friends of Trump thought they had it made.

Those were the days.

:lamo
 
If Trump is impeached and then convicted and put out of office, what would you think? Would you believe the evidence put forward by the investigations and thus it was the right thing to do? Would you think this is all a witch hunt and that it was nothing but a legal political coup?

This sort of wishcasting is useless.

The media is reporting speculation as fact again, getting everyone's hopes up.
 
To answer the thread question, there are two sides to the question of successfully removing him from office through impeachment (let's just pretend for the sake of argument that that would happen):

1. If your priority is justice, you won't like impeachment because the end result is that after he leaves office he would receive an immediate pardon from Pence. I have zero doubt that Trump has a quite a bit of dirt on Pence by now, and if Pence doesn't pardon him then Trump will be all to happy to air that dirt publicly.
2. If your priority is the welfare of the country then you'll like impeachment because at least he's out of office.

This is a difficult choice for many because, by now, the need for justice is nearly as great as the need for the country to be rid of an abomination at its helm.

By the way, even the two points above are probably meaningless because the roadmap for him to avoid justice and impeachment is so clearly illustrated that he may as well be above the law, which leaves a third angle to the question:

3. Impeachment should be done anyway because it clarifies our values just by trying to remove somebody we consider to be an abomination. By not even making the effort we're making a statement about our values, and that statement isn't good.

What has Trump done that's so bad? You don't like his policies?
 
shrug...those were not my words. They came from the OP. Grouse at him if you don't like them.

They are your words, stop lying:

Mycroft said:
...it could only be judged a "legal political coup"
The OP also used those words.
You claimed if those conditions were met, it could only be judged as a legal, political coup.

Why don't you just correct yourself, and take a swing at the OPs bad word usage, instead of denial?
 
They are your words, stop lying:


The OP also used those words.
You claimed if those conditions were met, it could only be judged as a legal, political coup.

Why don't you just correct yourself, and take a swing at the OPs bad word usage, instead of denial?

Perhaps you don't know what it means to use words in quotes.

Moving on...
 
If Trump is impeached Pence will probably be impeached as well. I would imagine both would be convicted. However, there is very little chance of Trump being impeached and convicted by the GOP controlled senate. In fact, the GOP senate should be impeached.

I do wonder how many members of the GOP senate have been compromised by Russia.

To say nothing of the immediate Trump associates who had direct contact (and lied about them, for the most part) during the campaign and transition.

1. Paul Manafort
2. Rick Gates
3. Michael Flynn
4. Jared Kushner
5. Ivanka Trump
6. Donald Trump Jr.
7. Michael Cohen
8. Jeff Sessions
9. George Papadopoulos
10. Carter Page
11. Roger Stone
12. Erik Prince
13. JD Gordon
14. Avi Berkowitz
15. Michael Caputo
16. Felix Sater
 
If Trump is impeached Pence will probably be impeached as well. I would imagine both would be convicted. However, there is very little chance of Trump being impeached and convicted by the GOP controlled senate. In fact, the GOP senate should be impeached.

I do wonder how many members of the GOP senate have been compromised by Russia.

Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham for sure have taken Russian money. I'm sure many others have as well on both sides of the aisle.
 
shrug...those were not my words. They came from the OP. Grouse at him if you don't like them.

Now, I could be wrong but perhaps the following information may help explain the words used by the OP.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/political

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/illegal

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/legal

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/coup

coup - a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force

Note: type of: group action - action taken by a group of people

Types: https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/group action

To see the full list of examples click on the link: Types: show 159 types

vote - the opinion of a group as determined by voting.

Group of Citizens who Duly Elected 45 via the constitutional electoral college.

resistance - group action in opposition to those in power.

resistance - (personal) the action of opposing something that you disapprove or disagree with.

There was group action from the very beginning that opposed and resisted The Presidency of the Duly Elected 45.

action - an act by a government body or supranational organization

Individuals within an opposition government body via group actions opposed and resisted the Duly Elected President 45.

election - a vote to select the winner of a position or political office

45 remains the Duly Elected President via the electoral college win until it can be proven otherwise.

sanction - a mechanism of social control for enforcing a society's standards

enforcement - the act of enforcing; ensuring observance of or obedience to

domination- social control by dominating

duty, obligation, responsibility - the social force that binds you to the courses of action demanded by that force

deprivation, privation - act of depriving someone of food or money or rights

obedience, obeisance - the act of obeying; dutiful or submissive behavior with respect to another person

strife - bitter conflict; heated often violent dissension

turf war - bitter struggle for territory or power or control or rights

obstructionism - deliberate interference

act, deed, human action, human activity - something that people do or cause to happen

Roseann:)
 
Given that impeachment is, but its very nature, a political action and not a legal one, the asinine claim that would amount to a 'legal coup' is just that: asinine.

First, impeachment by the House and conviction by the Senate is both legal under our constitution and is political in nature. And a coup has two meanings and the second one is a notable or successful stroke, which taking these actions would be. So to use the term a legal political coup is correct.
 
First, impeachment by the House and conviction by the Senate is both legal under our constitution and is political in nature. And a coup has two meanings and the second one is a notable or successful stroke, which taking these actions would be. So to use the term a legal political coup is correct.

Seeing as how if Trump were impeached, the Republican part would still be running the executive and the Senate AND that they'd have to agree to it, that's really quite a stretch.
 
the senate most likely won't convict even if the evidence of serious crimes is overwhelming. there are too many Trumpists in the senate to even approach two thirds, and they will vote with him over the law.
 
the senate most likely won't convict even if the evidence of serious crimes is overwhelming. there are too many Trumpists in the senate to even approach two thirds, and they will vote with him over the law.

You don't need to rely on your gut to arrive at that conclusion. Senators Hatch and Grassley provided a convenient sign of things to come once impeachment happens:

"Hatch dismisses allegations of Trump crimes over hush money. Asked if he had any concerns, Hatch said: “The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president.” Told it was alleged by SDNY, Hatch told me: “Okay but I don’t care; all I can say is he’s doing a good job as President.”

Hatch added this when asked if he was concerned about allegations. “No because I don’t think he was involved in crimes but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime under the current laws; if you want to you can blow it way out of proportion you can do a lot of things.”

Hatch also told me: “President Trump before he became president that’s another world. Since he’s become president this economy has charged ahead. ... And I think we ought to judge him on that basis other than trying to drum up things from the past that may or may not be true.”

Grassley, the Senate Judiciary chairman, similarly dismisses the federal prosecutors’ argument: “They based it on what a liar says, so it hurts the credibility of it.”

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1072244175544963073
 
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You don't need to rely on your gut to arrive at that conclusion. Senators Hatch and Grassley provided a convenient sign of things to come once impeachment happens:

"Hatch dismisses allegations of Trump crimes over hush money. Asked if he had any concerns, Hatch said: “The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president.” Told it was alleged by SDNY, Hatch told me: “Okay but I don’t care; all I can say is he’s doing a good job as President.”

Hatch added this when asked if he was concerned about allegations. “No because I don’t think he was involved in crimes but even then, you know, you can make anything a crime under the current laws; if you want to you can blow it way out of proportion you can do a lot of things.”

Hatch also told me: “President Trump before he became president that’s another world. Since he’s become president this economy has charged ahead. ... And I think we ought to judge him on that basis other than trying to drum up things from the past that may or may not be true.”

Grassley, the Senate Judiciary chairman, similarly dismisses the federal prosecutors’ argument: “They based it on what a liar says, so it hurts the credibility of it.”

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1072244175544963073

not surprising. "yeah, he did it, so what" is probably all that they are going to have left when this is done. if that happens, we have an office that is effectively shielded from the rule of law. i doubt that this will go well for us as a nation.
 
not surprising. "yeah, he did it, so what" is probably all that they are going to have left when this is done. if that happens, we have an office that is effectively shielded from the rule of law. i doubt that this will go well for us as a nation.

I've said since Friday that it's foolish to continue allowing Republicans to set the bar for what constitutes impeachable offenses. Hatch and Grassley swiftly stepped in to prove me right.

Sadly, it will be up to Democrats to re-establish the rule of law. I say "sadly" because Democrats don't tend to be the kind of warriors you need to accomplish that sort of task.
 
But he won't be impeached. He'll finish his term, run for re-election, lose, and then be indicted for his corruption.
And die of old age before spending one day in a courtroom. The one thing Trump is truly very good at (with his fleet of high priced attorneys) is avoiding consequences for his actions.
 
And die of old age before spending one day in a courtroom. The one thing Trump is truly very good at (with his fleet of high priced attorneys) is avoiding consequences for his actions.

And his children may end up being thrown under the bus in the process.
 
I'd think Christmas came early.

But he won't be impeached. He'll finish his term, run for re-election, lose, and then be indicted for his corruption.

I would not be surprised if he got primaried out.
 
And his children may end up being thrown under the bus in the process.
That’s a possibility. I think Trump would/will do whatever he can to protect his family, but if it comes down to the kids or Trump, my $ on Trump saving his own hide.
 
i try not to think about imaginary things that will never happen.

I would agree. There are far too many people who sold their principles to support someone like Trump to care if he commits crimes.
 
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