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Country over Partisan Politics

Lovebug said:
Not biting.
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Of course not. It's obviously very important for you to believe Obama didn't earn the Presidency. You'll spin conspiracy theories if that's what it takes.

"They just done gave it to that negro."
 
Lovebug said:
Hillary wasn't lazy. My guess is that, after she was made to/ handed the nomination to Obama, she was promised a "next time it is yours". She, as many, if not most, thought she would win hands down. That is why she hardly tried. Heck, I didn't stay up that evening, being certain that she would win the presidency. I am still in shock. What put it over the rim for Trump is, although it would have been a landslide for anyone else opposing Trump, the fact that no one counted on the person Hillary. Even a paper weight has more charisma and is more sincere. Heck, even Trump seems more real than that one.
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LOL, you weren't the only one to go to bed early. I resigned myself to a Hillary presidency when it became clear the Republicans would nominate Trump. I thought he was a sure loser. I went to bed around 10 PM. I had seen the numbers showing independents disliked Hillary more than Trump, that over half of all independents disliked both candidates and wanted neither one to become their next president. But those polls, numbers never broke them down via the states. I also thought the blue wall would hold. I never envisioned Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin going to Trump. Although I knew Hillary failed to pay those states any attention. Taking them for granted.

You're correct about Hillary being chosen well in advance as the democratic nominee for 2016. That was done in a secret meeting prior to the 2012 election between Obama, Bill and Hillary.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...exchange-Bills-support-election-campaign.html

https://nypost.com/2013/06/02/obama-was-pushed-by-clintons-into-endorsement-of-hillary-in-2016-book/

This led to the jury rigging of the Democratic primaries by the DNC and Democratic state party leaders in Hillary's favor. None could see how angry this would make Sanders supporters.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

Yes, Charisma, Hillary had none. She came across as a wet mop. She was seen as being aloof and an elitist by independents which is why they went for Trump 46-42. But I do disagree, how else can you explain that disparity on the campaign trail with campaign appearances. 116-71, no excuse for that. Either Hillary was lazy, not willing to do what was necessary to win, no fire in the belly. Either that or there was something wrong with her, an illness or something akin to it kept hidden.

I always like to joke that the reason Hillary failed to work or campaign half as hard as Trump did, is that she thought there were super electors as there were super delegates in her primaries.
 
Perotista said:
We really don't know if Trump has done anything illegal. It is all assumptions. We know most Democrats hate the heck out of Trump and want him destroyed. That they have been trying to do this since the day after the election. We also know most Republicans love him. Your reference to Nixon, half of all Republicans thought he was railroaded out of office back in 1974. In 1974 Republicans only had 42 senators while the Democrats had 58. The Democrats held a 243-192 advantage in the house. Impeachment was a sure thing in the House, all it took was the defection of 9 Republican senators to vote guilty to reach the magic number of 67. Much easier to reach the 2/3rd number needed in the senate. Today it would require 20 GOP senate defections instead of 9. Even in 1974 I doubt back then the Democrats could have got 20 Republican senators to desert Nixon.

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Point of order: We know that the Republicans out in the country like Trump a lot, we dont know that Republicans in Washington like him. Tucker Carlson says that they dont.
 
Perotista said:
LOL, you weren't the only one to go to bed early. I resigned myself to a Hillary presidency when it became clear the Republicans would nominate Trump. I thought he was a sure loser. I went to bed around 10 PM. I had seen the numbers showing independents disliked Hillary more than Trump, that over half of all independents disliked both candidates and wanted neither one to become their next president. But those polls, numbers never broke them down via the states. I also thought the blue wall would hold. I never envisioned Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin going to Trump. Although I knew Hillary failed to pay those states any attention. Taking them for granted.

You're correct about Hillary being chosen well in advance as the democratic nominee for 2016. That was done in a secret meeting prior to the 2012 election between Obama, Bill and Hillary.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...exchange-Bills-support-election-campaign.html

https://nypost.com/2013/06/02/obama-was-pushed-by-clintons-into-endorsement-of-hillary-in-2016-book/

This led to the jury rigging of the Democratic primaries by the DNC and Democratic state party leaders in Hillary's favor. None could see how angry this would make Sanders supporters.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

Yes, Charisma, Hillary had none. She came across as a wet mop. She was seen as being aloof and an elitist by independents which is why they went for Trump 46-42. But I do disagree, how else can you explain that disparity on the campaign trail with campaign appearances. 116-71, no excuse for that. Either Hillary was lazy, not willing to do what was necessary to win, no fire in the belly. Either that or there was something wrong with her, an illness or something akin to it kept hidden.

I always like to joke that the reason Hillary failed to work or campaign half as hard as Trump did, is that she thought there were super electors as there were super delegates in her primaries.
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Point taken. You are right, no fire in the belly and all that, but yet, being assured you WILL win doesn't make one get up and try.
 
The era of bipartisan cooperation in the U.S. government set sail a long time ago.

Assuming politicians can even resist the financial temptations of business interests, they'll still side with ideology over country any day.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Point of order: We know that the Republicans out in the country like Trump a lot, we dont know that Republicans in Washington like him. Tucker Carlson says that they dont.
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I have said it many times. a majority of GOPers will only vote for a GOP candidate. Polls show that something like 90% of GOPers support Trump. Most of the Gopers I know say the same thing, they espcially like Trump, but better the worst GOP candidate over the very best Dem. So I don't know if a majority of GOPers like Trump or just support him as they see him as the one who beat out a Dem for president
 
calamity said:
When Nixon was caught, both parties forced him to resign. I do not see that kind of bipartisan effort moving forward today, no matter what we learn about all the illegal things Trump has done. And, if by some weird twist he is shown to somehow be innocent, the story would stay the same. Partisanship will still reign the day.

At what point should we, the people, put aside partisan politics and just do what is right for the country?
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Thing is that there was a pre-existing crime with Nixon. There was actual evidence of the breaking and Nixon's involvement. So far there hasn't been even a stitch of proof of collusion. The only proof of election finance violations in the testimony of a proven liar facing jail time and a whole bunch of "yeah, but it's Trump so he must be guilty" garage by the left wing jabber corp.
 
Bullseye said:
Thing is that there was a pre-existing crime with Nixon. There was actual evidence of the breaking and Nixon's involvement. So far there hasn't been even a stitch of proof of collusion. The only proof of election finance violations in the testimony of a proven liar facing jail time and a whole bunch of "yeah, but it's Trump so he must be guilty" garage by the left wing jabber corp.
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There was a crime with the hacking and dissemination of DNC emails for the purposes of influencing the election.
There is evidence Trump's campaign was involved (Trump Tower, Papadpolus, Stone, and Trump and everyone around him lying and trying to cover Russia contacts up).
Firing Comey added obstruction to the list of crimes, triggering the need for a special counsel who is more independent from the White House.

Looks straightforward, not sure what all the crying is about.
 
independentusa said:
I have said it many times. a majority of GOPers will only vote for a GOP candidate. Polls show that something like 90% of GOPers support Trump. Most of the Gopers I know say the same thing, they espcially like Trump, but better the worst GOP candidate over the very best Dem. So I don't know if a majority of GOPers like Trump or just support him as they see him as the one who beat out a Dem for president
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In most places saying that you like Trump is an act of sticking ones neck out....people who do that tend to mean it.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Point of order: We know that the Republicans out in the country like Trump a lot, we dont know that Republicans in Washington like him. Tucker Carlson says that they dont.
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Republicans in Washington, I assume your talking about congress. After losing 40 seats, there probably little to like Trump for them. A lot of them probably blame Trump for their loses. Independents voted Republican for congress in four straight elections beginning in 2010. I suppose congressional Republicans could be blaming Trump for independents suddenly switching to voting Democratic by a 54-42 margin. That's not even close.
 
Perotista said:
Republicans in Washington, I assume your talking about congress. After losing 40 seats, there probably little to like Trump for them. A lot of them probably blame Trump for their loses. Independents voted Republican for congress in four straight elections beginning in 2010. I suppose congressional Republicans could be blaming Trump for independents suddenly switching to voting Democratic by a 54-42 margin. That's not even close.
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I am talking about Republicans at all levels of power in Washington dont like Trump, that is the claim. Furthermore the claim is that CongressCritters only appear to support Trump to the degree that they do because they are afraid of the voters.

I am not saying that this is true, because this has not been proven to my satisfaction, but you cant I dont think say that Republicans love Trump and leave it at that based upon what I am looking at.
 
Mach said:
There was a crime with the hacking and dissemination of DNC emails for the purposes of influencing the election.
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And Trump is connected how?

Mach said:
There is evidence Trump's campaign was involved (Trump Tower, Papadpolus, Stone, and Trump and everyone around him lying and trying to cover Russia contacts up).
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That's not evidence, it's LW urban legends.
Mach said:
Firing Comey added obstruction to the list of crimes, triggering the need for a special counsel who is more independent from the White House.

Looks straightforward, not sure what all the crying is about.
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Looks imaginary, wishful thinking, a left wing wet dream.
 
Lovebug said:
Point taken. You are right, no fire in the belly and all that, but yet, being assured you WILL win doesn't make one get up and try.
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The Democrats were jumping up and down with glee when the republicans nominated Trump. They knew he would be easy to beat. Victory assured. In the bag. They should have learned from the democratic primaries. The Democrats let Sanders run as to not have it be seen that they just handed their nomination to Hillary by decree. Sanders was just for show, or so the Democrats thought. The fact that Sanders could come close to beating Hillary in a rigged Democratic primaries should have told them a whole lot about Hillary.

In the end, The Democrats could rig the primaries, but not the general.
 
calamity said:
When Nixon was caught, both parties forced him to resign. I do not see that kind of bipartisan effort moving forward today, no matter what we learn about all the illegal things Trump has done. And, if by some weird twist he is shown to somehow be innocent, the story would stay the same. Partisanship will still reign the day.

At what point should we, the people, put aside partisan politics and just do what is right for the country?
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At the point where they see things my way!
 
Moderate Right said:
We haven't learned about even one illegal thing Trump has done. Do you have any? Why don't YOU put country over partisan politics? You're the one coming up with thousands of anti-Trump troll threads.
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You are right, we haven't learned "yet". Since we have no real idea of what Mueller has that either proves Trump guilty of some offense or innocent of everything people have talked about people should not make inferences about innocence or guilt. And although many people seem to think Mueller is someone evil, he has insured that there have been little if any leaks. This insures that even those that may be under investigation are safe from speculation about there guilt. No one should be found guilty by the public in this investigation until the evidence shows us they are, and that is what has happened under Mueller.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am talking about Republicans at all levels of power in Washington dont like Trump, that is the claim. Furthermore the claim is that CongressCritters only appear to support Trump to the degree that they do because they are afraid of the voters.

I am not saying that this is true, because this has not been proven to my satisfaction, but you cant I dont think say that Republicans love Trump and leave it at that based upon what I am looking at.
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I would say republicans love Trump at the normal levels they loved any president. 62% of Republicans have a very favorable view of Trump, 24% a somewhat favorable view. 86% total which is right in the average area of how Republicans viewed their past presidents. Question 46A

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yoolhxrark/econTabReport.pdf

Only 7% of Republicans have a somewhat unfavorable view of him, 5% very unfavorable. 12% total unfavorable which considering all the hoopla around the never Trumpers is in my opinion pretty low. Besides, when I say republicans love Trump, I'm speaking in general terms, normal terms. Perhaps support Trump might have been a better word.

Trump has averaged an 85% approval rating from Republicans over this first two years. Obama the same over his first two years in office from Democrats, G.W. Bush averaged 92% among Republicans over his first two years, but he had 9-11 happen which increased his support. Now Bill Clinton's support among Democrats over his first two years was low at 75%, G.H.W. Bush average 86%, Reagan 81% from Republicans over their first two years.

So support, love, call it what you will is average from his party for Trump. Now if you were to throw independents into the mix, Trump has much lower support among then than any other president going back to Carter.
 
apdst said:
You're putting paetisanship ahead of country, so the irony is over flowing in this thread, already. :lamo
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Trolling with a dumb deflection right off the bat. What a joke LOL
 
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