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Dershowitz: I Don't See Any Crimes in Mueller Memos.

American said:
You do realize that collusion is not a crime? That's been stated many times all along. So your big cumshot climax turns out not to be a crime, even if proven beyond a doubt.
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Why so angry and filthy?
- he didn't claim collusion was a crime. Conspiracy is.
- teh investigation is an FBI investigation that Trump's deputy AG assigned to SC when Trump tried to sway the investigation and started acting guilty.

It's not a democratic climax.

It's not over. Lots of redactions, lots of plea deals to understand what occurred.
Key people though...Stone, Manafort, and Trump, are not cooperating though. Everyone else finally plead.
These guys, they are all refusing. They have delayed this investigation for about a year with their refusal to help.

Probably because they are innocent.
 
Rexedgar said:
18 U.S. Code Chapter 19 - CONSPIRACY
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From YOUR source:

§ 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
§ 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer
§ 373 - Solicitation to commit a crime of violence
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There are actual crimesisted there. Conspiracy, by itself, isn't a crime.

You really should have read it, first.
 
apdst said:
From YOUR source:



There are actual crimesisted there. Conspiracy, by itself, isn't a crime.

https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/inchoate-crimes/conspiracy/
You really should have read it, first.
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“A conspiracy occurs when two or more people agree to commit an illegal act and take some step toward its completion. Conspiracy is an inchoate crime because it does not require that the illegal act actually have been completed.”


Federal law not Bayou law^^^^^^
 
Amelia said:
That's what they say. But rightwingers are hanging onto him as tight as they can. It's hard to find someone who knows anything who will defend Trump (well, you know, except murderous dictators who want something from him -- they defend him). But Dershowitz is still there for ya.
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He has more lefty credibility than any of his detractors. He's been at it for decades. What he hasn't done is gone into full mania since the election, which so many of the left have done. He assesses the realities on the table. He voices these realities, from a legal standpoint, which does not mean "defending Trump" or "supporting Trump", which so many just can't seem to understand.

If someone says that Amelia is gong to jail for 10 years for parking in a handicap spot and someone comes along and says, "No...she really isn't. That's just not a thing." they aren't defending you but speaking a legal fact.
 
Fishking said:
He has more lefty credibility than any of his detractors. He's been at it for decades. What he hasn't done is gone into full mania since the election, which so many of the left have done. He assesses the realities on the table. He voices these realities, from a legal standpoint, which does not mean "defending Trump" or "supporting Trump", which so many just can't seem to understand.

If someone says that Amelia is gong to jail for 10 years for parking in a handicap spot and someone comes along and says, "No...she really isn't. That's just not a thing." they aren't defending you but speaking a legal fact.
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The focus on this phantom "Campaign finance violation" lets you know they have nothing on Russian collusion. This is the last gasp whimper of a failed coup attempt. Paying someone from your OWN money because they are threatening to reveal something derogatory about you, is NOT, repeat NOT, a crime, as Dershowitz clearly points out. There is no conspiracy because there is no crime.

I wonder when the SP will be appointed to look into the lying to get FISA warrants, the Hillary obstruction of justice and the antics surrounding the Uranium One deal. The uranium deal had a whistle blower who was telling the FBI about payoffs and fraud and they did nothing about it. The FBI director at the time? Robert Mueller.
 
American said:
You do realize that collusion is not a crime? That's been stated many times all along. So your big cumshot climax turns out not to be a crime, even if proven beyond a doubt. Looking to build a hotel is not collusion even to steal the White House. It's a ****ing business deal at most. For you pay for play at the Clinton Foundation added up to a nothingburger, but a business man looking into business dealings is collusion to steal the Presidency. :doh Communicating with the Russian by an election transition team is common practice, unless you're Trump. Then it's a ****ing felony, amirite? In fact just about anything imaginable that's okay for everyone else, is a crime for Trump. Paying off ANOTHER hooker/bimbo with an NDA is campaign finance crime, even when the man's been doing it for 20 years in front of the world in the world of liberals. Do you get that? Did you know that even your precious Obama got caught on a campaign finance issue? You know what happened? Nothing but a fine.
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I never once talked about collusion, I never once brought up the Clinton foundation either.

You sound incredibly deranged in this post, with your mind wondering from incoherent thought to another. You MAGA's are becoming very unhinged the closer your boy marches towards impeachment in the House, and it's wonderful to watch.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Sorry to break it to YOU, but being implicated does not necessarily lead to actual charges, and charges don't necessarily lead to convictions.

In any case that is a bridge that will not be approached, much less crossed until after Trump leaves office.

Meanwhile, as you already know, MY position is and will always remain INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty in a court of law...and damn the kangaroo Court of Public Opinion. :coffeepap:
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That doesn't seem to be your standard when Hillary Clinton is involved.
 
veritas1 said:
The focus on this phantom "Campaign finance violation" lets you know they have nothing on Russian collusion. This is the last gasp whimper of a failed coup attempt. Paying someone from your OWN money because they are threatening to reveal something derogatory about you, is NOT, repeat NOT, a crime, as Dershowitz clearly points out. There is no conspiracy because there is no crime.

I wonder when the SP will be appointed to look into the lying to get FISA warrants, the Hillary obstruction of justice and the antics surrounding the Uranium One deal. The uranium deal had a whistle blower who was telling the FBI about payoffs and fraud and they did nothing about it. The FBI director at the time? Robert Mueller.
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JFC!

Jeff Session already determined there were no grounds for a special prosecutor.

All you cons know how to do is rant and rave about HILARY!
 
MovingPictures said:
I never once talked about collusion, I never once brought up the Clinton foundation either.

You sound incredibly deranged in this post, with your mind wondering from incoherent thought to another. You MAGA's are becoming very unhinged the closer your boy marches towards impeachment in the House, and it's wonderful to watch.
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Actually it's the Left that's going unhinged, thinking they've "got him this time!" What they've got is thin at best, and it will take a lot to reach the level of impeachment.
 
American said:
Actually it's the Left that's going unhinged, thinking they've "got him this time!" What they've got is thin at best, and it will take a lot to reach the level of impeachment.
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I love when conservatives just reply back with the equivalent of "No, YOU!" as a response.

The right-wing is just freaking out because their chickens are finally coming home to roost, and no amount of 'thug life' memes will change that.
 
MovingPictures said:
I love when conservatives just reply back with the equivalent of "No, YOU!" as a response.

The right-wing is just freaking out because their chickens are finally coming home to roost, and no amount of 'thug life' memes will change that.
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You have no idea what's going to happen, face it. You really don't know, just like the last ten times. :lol:
 
Slyfox696 said:
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Trump defenders are the absolute worst liars. "Sure they helped each other out while they were in constant communication with each other, but that's not evidence they worked with each other."

I cannot imagine how stupid one would have to be to actually believe that.
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It couldnt be more obvious that you dont know what the hell you are talking about and are too arrogant to grasp your own ignorance. Perhaps you should ramiliarize yourself with some facts once in a while. It would help you not look quite so ignorant and foolish. But if you have all this evidence of collusion, perhaps you should contact Mueller. Because he hasnt charged a sole with it.
 
MovingPictures said:
I love when conservatives just reply back with the equivalent of "No, YOU!" as a response.

The right-wing is just freaking out because their chickens are finally coming home to roost, and no amount of 'thug life' memes will change that.
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Who on the right is 'freaking out?' And why would they? You still got nothing on Trump.
 
Fletch said:
It couldnt be more obvious that you dont know what the hell you are talking about and are too arrogant to grasp your own ignorance. Perhaps you should ramiliarize yourself with some facts once in a while. It would help you not look quite so ignorant and foolish. But if you have all this evidence of collusion, perhaps you should contact Mueller. Because he hasnt charged a sole with it.
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No he wouldn't charge a fish (i.e., a sole ) but he has indicted around 20 people and perhaps more.
 
MovingPictures said:
I never once talked about collusion, I never once brought up the Clinton foundation either.

You sound incredibly deranged in this post, with your mind wondering from incoherent thought to another. You MAGA's are becoming very unhinged the closer your boy marches towards impeachment in the House, and it's wonderful to watch.
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How much would you like to bet that the loud mouthed liberals in the House dont impeach Trump? I think the chance is zero and will bet anything you like. They will talk a big game but never act. Why? Because they know they have legions of people like you who are drooling over the prospect of getting rid of Trump and they wont dare tell you the truth. They will keep the charade going, feeding their hungry followers a consistent diet of hope . But they wont act because they know they have been lying about the guy for two years and you have swallowed every lie whole. And they cant have you waking from your trance.
 
Parrish said:
No he wouldn't charge a fish (i.e., a sole ) but he has indicted around 20 people and perhaps more.
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Indicted for collusion? That number is zero. Even the Russians he indicted werent connected to Trump. But you just keep buying the dream. Your masters are counting on that.
 
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