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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Why shouldn't it?
    So not one tax dollar would be used to pay the difference needed for them to survive.

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    The prime value, the prime incentive that drives capitalism is the promise of the potential to get ahead, that's been taken away for over 45 years now by tax rates and tax law. Capitalism dies without out that incentive but they want it all and you have a whole party that supports that idea.
    Over taxing and over-regulation is dangerous to capitalism, but the US is far from overtaxed and over-regulated. Tax rates and tax law don't even come close to taking away the potential to get ahead. The private sector doesn't campaign for lower taxes and less regulation because it's dying, it campaigns for it because it is their job to maximize profits. The biggest danger to business is low wages. People who don't make enough to support their families consume less, thereby lowering demand. Investing in supply when demand is low (lowering taxes, deregulating business) is a waste of resources. Better to invest in demand (higher wages for consumers) and the supply will take care of itself.

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    So not one tax dollar would be used to pay the difference needed for them to survive.
    If bagging groceries is not enough to support a family of four, then wouldn't that mean more tax dollars are needed to help them survive?

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Over taxing and over-regulation is dangerous to capitalism, but the US is far from overtaxed and over-regulated. Tax rates and tax law don't even come close to taking away the potential to get ahead. The private sector doesn't campaign for lower taxes and less regulation because it's dying, it campaigns for it because it is their job to maximize profits. The biggest danger to business is low wages. People who don't make enough to support their families consume less, thereby lowering demand. Investing in supply when demand is low (lowering taxes, deregulating business) is a waste of resources. Better to invest in demand (higher wages for consumers) and the supply will take care of itself.
    Corporation would eat our children if they weren't regulated . This ridiculous right wing wacko **** is getting old. Their party tells us all about the stupid regulations that are out dated but when they get the chance to deregulate they keep those dumb regulations like they are gold to use in the future and only go after bottom line regulations. whether they will kill us or not. The biggest companies in this country weren't paying taxes before the stupid tax cut for the wealthy and corporations by the deficit party.. How many now aren't paying any. I supply them with the infrastructure and the market for them to get wealthy off of , they owe us. unless the right thinks they deserve a free ride.
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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Corporation would eat our children if they weren't regulated . This ridiculous right wing wacko **** is getting old. Your party tells us all about the stupid regulations that are out dated but when you get the chance to deregulate you keep those dumb regulations like they are gold to use in the future and only go after bottom line regulations whether they will kill us or not. The biggest companies in this country weren't paying taxes before the stupid tax cut for the wealthy and corporations by the deficit party.. How many now aren't paying any. I supply them with the infrastructure and the market for them to get wealthy off of , they owe us. unless you think they deserve a free ride.
    I feel like we're arguing the same thing. I thought your position was that taxes and regulations were killing business. I was arguing that low wages are what are killing business. If wages go up, consumer spending goes up and demand increases. This is business opportunity that higher tax rates and government regulation have no effect on. The only thing taxes and regulations effect are profit margins. But when demand is high, profit exists anyway. Do you believe differently?

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Immigrants have nothing to do with anything , Your looking for a place to hide from the truth.

    How cute.


    Why not talk to blue collar workers who have seen their wages suppressed because of cheap illegal labor?


    Actually, it wasn't all that long ago Democrat politicians use to understand that but then they decided to spit on the working man and concentrate on fringe far Left groups.
    Change the Constitution to allow Barack Obama to run again

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by dobieg View Post
    How cute.


    Why not talk to blue collar workers who have seen their wages suppressed because of cheap illegal labor?


    Actually, it wasn't all that long ago Democrat politicians use to understand that but then they decided to spit on the working man and concentrate on fringe far Left groups.
    Illegal immigration is a drop in the bucket compared to legal offshoring; and offshoring in turn is a relatively minor issue compared to automation. You'll never be able to work cheaper than third-world workers and increasingly advanced machines. Regulation is the only answer.

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbander View Post
    Your less then half right, Mpl Marginal Product of labor is suppose to be the main driving force unless business gets rid of capitalism and controls everything they can, mainly wages and controlling prices. Right now classic Capitalism is dead. Destroyed by people like you who support the idea that the rich should get it all. Capitalism dies when the incentive of the possibility to get ahead is taken away by you people. The teen age thing I've already addressed no $15 wage for them. but also no wage that is controlled by you either. That would be set also. The $15 is only a standard if it cost more to get everyone off of food stamps and welfare, then the wage will be higher. Business pays their workers not tax payers. You people on the right want this to stay this way, it's stupid.
    So are you saying 2 people working as a cashiers, 1 gets 15$ an hour and the teenager doesn't? You don't understand what would happen in that scenario correct?

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nap View Post
    So are you saying 2 people working as a cashiers, 1 gets 15$ an hour and the teenager doesn't? You don't understand what would happen in that scenario correct?
    Works well enough in Australia. Feel free to ask me questions before leaping to any conclusions

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    Re: Is this country blind stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    And what couple in their right mind would decide it was a good time to have children when they are both making minimum wage?
    Did you come from one of those conservative "abstinence only" states? Well, let me tell you about the birds and the bees....
    Jeez, did you do really do something that stupid? You were as Dumb As Donald!

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