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Trump gives us a good a reason why president' should divest themselves!

JustHanging said:
Trump lies so much, how would anyone know? Remember when he pretended to be someone else to lie about his wealth?

That time Trump claimed to be 'John Barron' to lie about his wealth


It's hard to say how much a flimflam man like Trump will make as POTUS, but I would bet a lot. Did the Saudis pay him to be their bottom boy over the journalist murder?

What was the payoff to Trump for being Putin's bottom boy, and standing united with him against America's interests, and the entire American Intelligence Community? Or was Trump just being useful idiot? Hard to say, as according to so many of his top staff he is either an idiot, or a moron, take your choice. (Not that I don't give him credit for being a first class con man.)
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What are you raving about?
 
Cardinal said:
You provided the link which would supposedly support your position, so copy and paste the exact paragraph or paragraphs from the article detailing his exact net worth before he was President versus now.
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I posted the paragraph from the link that listed the decrease.

The various components of that decrease are spread across the entire article.

In your laziness, you avoid any work to actually find anything out.

Good for you!

Facts can change. Your opinions will NEVER change.

 
code1211 said:
You seem like the kind of person that voted for Obama twice. Did you enjoy it when your healthcare premiums decreased by $2500 per year? That lie, by your standards, should have made you vote for Romney.
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No. I am not the kind of guy that would vote for Obama once or twice.
He was joking about the term of the Chinese President. What is it with you guys?
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No president should ever make jokes in support of authoritarian dictatorships. And honestly it did not sound like a joke.

Trump has asked on a few occasions what the proper response to Putin might be. What do you suggest?

Full on Defcon1 with a Nuclear strike or Obama's approach: Hide under the bed wetting his pants. Which one do you recommend?
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Why would any American President have to ask what the proper response to a dictator should be? Obviously if the President needs to ask such questions he is not qualified for the job.

So far Trumps big plan has been to let Putin do whatever he wants and praise him while he is doing it. And since Trump has already made it clear that he fears Russia and their Nuclear weapons (on numerous occasions) Trump seems to be the coward too.

I mean shouldn't Trump do something about Russia? Russia keeps trying to attack us from the inside and Trump is silent. But all what Trump does is tell us how great Russia's military is and how strong of a leader Putin is. Everyone else Trump attacks and makes fun of, or just shows no respect for them, but Putin Trump only has good things to say about him. WHy is that? Oh wait we seem to be learning that as we speak.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
No. I am not the kind of guy that would vote for Obama once or twice.
No president should ever make jokes in support of authoritarian dictatorships. And honestly it did not sound like a joke.




Why would any American President have to ask what the proper response to a dictator should be? Obviously if the President needs to ask such questions he is not qualified for the job.

So far Trumps big plan has been to let Putin do whatever he wants and praise him while he is doing it. And since Trump has already made it clear that he fears Russia and their Nuclear weapons (on numerous occasions) Trump seems to be the coward too.

I mean shouldn't Trump do something about Russia? Russia keeps trying to attack us from the inside and Trump is silent. But all what Trump does is tell us how great Russia's military is and how strong of a leader Putin is. Everyone else Trump attacks and makes fun of, or just shows no respect for them, but Putin Trump only has good things to say about him. WHy is that? Oh wait we seem to be learning that as we speak.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/15/poli...ump-yevgeniy-viktorovich-prigozhin/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politics/donald-trump-russia-sanctions-bill/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.165ce4f10ad2
 
code1211 said:
Well, then, so be it.

You are free to provide a link that shows that Trump's Presidency has enriched him.
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That's the point - and you seem to ignore it - Trump's wealth, increase or decrease, cannot be proved with the information currently available to the press or the public. That will change and we will know sometime after 1 January. More than that we will begin to know where, when and how wealth came to Trump and where, when and how Trump lost money. In addition we should begin to know if Trump has been or is involved in financial malfeasance.

If for example a measure of Trump's wealth is attributable to money laundering, illegal business practices and/or massive loans to Trump guaranteed by Russians and/or oligarchs (read crime bosses) from former Soviet block countries or the Saudis that would be important information for most of us to know.

Pablo Escobar was worth billions on paper but it couldn't be determined until there was government access to prove it. But hey Escobar was worth billions. Did you defend Escobars wealth until the day he was convicted? Until he was convicted he was just another very rich guy, right?
 
Oh, and Escobar was on the Forbes list 7 years in a row as one of the world's riches billionaires.

How Escobar became wealthy may not matter to you.
 
code1211 said:
What are you raving about?
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Are you really so uniformed that you didn't realize Trump pretended to be someone else so he could lie about his wealth? This is common knowledge.

Perhaps read the source, and stop letting Trump et al tell you what to think?
 
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code1211 said:
I've highlighted some of your thoughts.

How do you know these things?

Why would his tax returns do anything for you?
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There is no one with a brain that does not wonder what trump holds more dear after what Cohen has said, especially when Trump has lied about his dealings with the Russians The image is out there of Trump being more interested about his business than our country. And you wonder why I think he idolizes Putin, one word, Helsinki. Trump acted like a dog that had been whipped by his master and that master was Putin. An Finally, Trump has talked about how he thinks that dictators and strong men from other countries and how he wishes he had the same powers. COns talked about Obama being a dictator, but Trump has gone so far beyond Obama in being a strong man that there is no comparison, unless you are a con hypocrite.
 
code1211 said:
I've highlighted some of your thoughts.

How do you know these things?

Why would his tax returns do anything for you?
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We need to see his tax returns to see any conflicts of interests that have shaped his dealings with foreign nations. The founders were quite clear about their concerns about that.
 
Risky Thicket said:
That's the point - and you seem to ignore it - Trump's wealth, increase or decrease, cannot be proved with the information currently available to the press or the public. That will change and we will know sometime after 1 January. More than that we will begin to know where, when and how wealth came to Trump and where, when and how Trump lost money. In addition we should begin to know if Trump has been or is involved in financial malfeasance.

If for example a measure of Trump's wealth is attributable to money laundering, illegal business practices and/or massive loans to Trump guaranteed by Russians and/or oligarchs (read crime bosses) from former Soviet block countries or the Saudis that would be important information for most of us to know.

Pablo Escobar was worth billions on paper but it couldn't be determined until there was government access to prove it. But hey Escobar was worth billions. Did you defend Escobars wealth until the day he was convicted? Until he was convicted he was just another very rich guy, right?
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So, then, you know absolutely nothing about anything, but are willing to charge and convict the guy on the fantasies you conjure.

Good for you!!

Is your name Mueller?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Sanctions? lol oh you mean the ones that everyone applied political pressure to force Trump to impose?
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Did they require his approval?

What are you asking? DefCon 1 with a nuclear strike?

Ha Putin invaded/annexed anymore countries since Obama left office?
 
JustHanging said:
Are you really so uniformed that you didn't realize Trump pretended to be someone else so he could lie about his wealth? This is common knowledge.

Perhaps read the source, and stop letting Trump et al tell you what to think?
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The John Barron thing is amusing and unsubstantiated.

It's the rest of your ravings I was asking about.
 
independentusa said:
There is no one with a brain that does not wonder what trump holds more dear after what Cohen has said, especially when Trump has lied about his dealings with the Russians The image is out there of Trump being more interested about his business than our country. And you wonder why I think he idolizes Putin, one word, Helsinki. Trump acted like a dog that had been whipped by his master and that master was Putin. An Finally, Trump has talked about how he thinks that dictators and strong men from other countries and how he wishes he had the same powers. COns talked about Obama being a dictator, but Trump has gone so far beyond Obama in being a strong man that there is no comparison, unless you are a con hypocrite.
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I continue to be amazed at people who think that Obama was cute so he must have been a nice guy and a proponent of freedom for all.

Obama systematically imposed more strangling regulation on the US economy and people than any other president that ever served.

He also had some very odd ideas on the appropriate use of the enforcement powers of the DOJ and IRS. I suppose cute boys will be boys.

He was Stalin with a photogenic smile.

https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/reg-stats
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[h=3][/h]Economically significant rules, as presented in this graph, are regulations issued by executive branch agencies that meet the definition in Section 3(f)(1) of Executive Order 12866 (“have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or more or adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the economy, productivity, competition, jobs, the environment, public health or safety, or State, local, or tribal governments or communities.” We present numbers by "presidential year" (February 1 to January 31) to understand priorities and activities during presidential terms.



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I have seen statements from different sources that Trump has reduced the pages in the Federal Register by somewhere between 35% and 40%.

Removing restriction means increasing freedom. Obama increased restrictions. Trump is increasing freedoms.

THAT is the reality of the situation.
 
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Trump gives us a good a reason why president' should divest themselves!
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yep, he sure does. it would be interesting to see what would happen if we made a law that if you win the presidency, all of your personal assets go into a blind trust. we'd have to add in a provision that if these assets are strategically moved around to avoid the law, they get seized. i would bet that the hyper-wealthy would think twice before trying to use the highest office as a brand builder / grift.
 
code1211 said:
I continue to be amazed at people who think that Obama was cute so he must have been a nice guy and a proponent of freedom for all.

Obama systematically imposed more strangling regulation on the US economy and people than any other president that ever served.

He was Stalin with a smile.

https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/reg-stats
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[h=3][/h]Economically significant rules, as presented in this graph, are regulations issued by executive branch agencies that meet the definition in Section 3(f)(1) of Executive Order 12866 (“have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or more or adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the economy, productivity, competition, jobs, the environment, public health or safety, or State, local, or tribal governments or communities.” We present numbers by "presidential year" (February 1 to January 31) to understand priorities and activities during presidential terms.



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I have seen statements from different sources that Trump has reduced the pages in the Federal Register by somewhere between 35% and 40%.

Removing restriction means increasing freedom. Obama increased restrictions. Trump is increasing freedoms.

THAT is the reality of the situation.
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I just can't deal with this "fake news" **** from the evil right anymore.

Such godawful people.

Adorning themselves in the flag and Church so as to highlight the unparalleled hypocrisy they practice.

I need a shower after reading posts like this.
 
iguanaman said:
We need to see his tax returns to see any conflicts of interests that have shaped his dealings with foreign nations. The founders were quite clear about their concerns about that.
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The Founders were clear that we need to see his tax returns?

Can you cite that part of the Constitution?

Did the Founders include the establishment of the IRS in the constitution? Article 8? 9?

Maybe I'm missing something...

Link?
 
noonereal said:
I just can't deal with this "fake news" **** from the evil right anymore.

Such godawful people.

Adorning themselves in the flag and Church so as to highlight the unparalleled hypocrisy they practice.

I need a shower after reading posts like this.
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Do you really find facts to be offensive?

What is it with you guys?

If your post is satire, please label more carefully.
 
code1211 said:
I continue to be amazed at people who think that Obama was cute so he must have been a nice guy and a proponent of freedom for all.

Obama systematically imposed more strangling regulation on the US economy and people than any other president that ever served.

He also had some very odd ideas on the appropriate use of the enforcement powers of the DOJ and IRS. I suppose cute boys will be boys.

He was Stalin with a photogenic smile.

https://regulatorystudies.columbian.gwu.edu/reg-stats
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[h=3][/h]Economically significant rules, as presented in this graph, are regulations issued by executive branch agencies that meet the definition in Section 3(f)(1) of Executive Order 12866 (“have an annual effect on the economy of $100 million or more or adversely affect in a material way the economy, a sector of the economy, productivity, competition, jobs, the environment, public health or safety, or State, local, or tribal governments or communities.” We present numbers by "presidential year" (February 1 to January 31) to understand priorities and activities during presidential terms.



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I have seen statements from different sources that Trump has reduced the pages in the Federal Register by somewhere between 35% and 40%.

Removing restriction means increasing freedom. Obama increased restrictions. Trump is increasing freedoms.

THAT is the reality of the situation.
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Yeah, ain't it great, we are going to have dirty water and air and we will sell all of our parks to the lowest bidder. I hope you do not have ocean front property as it will soon be on the other side of the beach with climate change caused as the scientists say by our use of oil, gas and coal. Yeah, but the 1% will be richer and the rest of us or our children can choke to death on the fumes. Yeah, doing away with those pesky regulations is the right thing to do, NOT<NOT< NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Why are you asking me these stupid questions?
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You hear and believe the propaganda and never ask the one critical question that you should be asking:

"If this is true, what else must be true?"

Ask the question.
 
independentusa said:
Yeah, ain't it great, we are going to have dirty water and air and we will sell all of our parks to the lowest bidder. I hope you do not have ocean front property as it will soon be on the other side of the beach with climate change caused as the scientists say by our use of oil, gas and coal. Yeah, but the 1% will be richer and the rest of us or our children can choke to death on the fumes. Yeah, doing away with those pesky regulations is the right thing to do, NOT<NOT< NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Do you have a link to support anything you posted?

You are a victim of propaganda and you seem to proud to have been victimized.

Why?
 
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