Trump Jr. Worried He's Going to Be Indicted

[Winston]

Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to be Indicted by Mueller Soon

Last year, Donald Trump Jr. testified that he never informed his father of a meeting with Russian officials promising “dirt” on Hillary Clinton. It seemed hard to believe that the ne’er-do-well son would neglect to seek credit for his expected campaign coup from the father whose approval he so obviously craves. And now it seems that Robert Mueller has obtained proof that it is not in fact true. The Trump family lies all the time, of course, but doing it under oath is a crime.

If Mueller has evidence that Trump Jr. committed perjury should charges be pursued?

 

[chuckiechan]

Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to be Indicted by Mueller Soon



If Mueller has evidence that Trump Jr. committed perjury should charges be pursued?

First of all, I doubt it.
Second of all, Trump Jr. has the money to fight it. Mueller can't ruin him financially and squeeze out a phony plea. Mueller's finest hour was squeezing the last penny out of Flynn for a crime he arguably did not commit but was leveraged to commit further perjury against other Mueller targets. That is how the FBI works.

If and when the sentence is vacated, Trump should order the FBI's budget be used to reimburse Flynn for all costs.

And there is still an open question of Mueller's complicity in not preventing the murder of two informants in the Whitey Bulger case. It's a story that needs to be told.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to be Indicted by Mueller Soon



If Mueller has evidence that Trump Jr. committed perjury should charges be pursued?

Maybe, but we must keep in mind that no "dirt on Hillary" (opposition research?) was ever produced at that meeting. Since no criminal act was being lied about then what, exactly, is the justice involved?

 

[Winston]

First of all, I doubt it.
Second of all, Trump Jr. has the money to fight it. Mueller can't ruin him financially and squeeze out a phony plea. Mueller's finest hour was squeezing the last penny out of Flynn for a crime he arguably did not commit but was leveraged to commit further perjury against other Mueller targets. That is how the FBI works.

If and when the sentence is vacated, Trump should order the FBI's budget be used to reimburse Flynn for all costs.

And there is still an open question of Mueller's complicity in not preventing the murder of two informants in the Whitey Bulger case. It's a story that needs to be told.

Flynn was guilty of a much more serious crime of failing to register as a foreign agent and he accepted a plea deal for cooperation.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/11/flynns-disclosure-violations-may-carry-legal-consequences/

In August 2016, Flynn’s firm, Flynn Intel Group, entered into a contract with Inovo but did not notify DOJ of the agreement until March 2017. Flynn received $530,000 for the work.

The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) requires Americans representing foreign entities to identify their clients to the Department of Justice within ten days of signing a contract and before starting work.

Anyway, enough about old notches in Mueller's belt. If Mueller has the evidence that Trump Jr. committed perjury, should he enforce the law?

 

[Winston]

Maybe, but we must keep in mind that no "dirt on Hillary" (opposition research?) was ever produced at that meeting. Since no criminal act was being lied about then what, exactly, is the justice involved?

Trump Jr. testified under oath that he did not tell his father about the meeting. If Mueller has evidence that he did tell his father about the meeting, then that is perjury. Lying about your own actions to obstruct and investigation merits a punishment.

If the only thing leading you to believe there was no dirt received is a strong Trump denial, then I would argue that a strong Trump denial is meaningless. It adds no credibility to the defense and we can't tell what it does for the prosecution. Since, Trump's denials have been shown to be false more times than they have been shown to be true.

 

[SCrider]

Maybe, but we must keep in mind that no "dirt on Hillary" (opposition research?) was ever produced at that meeting. Since no criminal act was being lied about then what, exactly, is the justice involved?

When you attempt to rob a bank, but fail you have still committed a crime, right? When you attempt to kill someone but fail it's still a crime, right? When you attempt to commit a crime it does not matter if you were successful, right?

 

[Xelor]

If Mueller has the evidence should he pursue charges?

If any prosecutor, not just Mueller, has evidence that s/he feels is sufficiently probative of an actus reus, and whatever mens rea be required, to obtain a conviction, s/he should file an indictment against the person, Trump, Jr or anyone else. If, on the other hand, the prosecutor's professional judgment suggests a high degree of dubitability about obtaining a conviction, s/he should refrain from levying charges.

 

[Cardinal]

Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to be Indicted by Mueller Soon



If Mueller has evidence that Trump Jr. committed perjury should charges be pursued?

There are simply too many pieces in play to say what will happen. Mueller doesn't talk, and Whitaker has already taken over the AG position. There is still no word on how Whitaker, unqualified and biased as he clearly is, will react once Mueller fully briefs him on the progress of the investigation.

 

[Cardinal]

Maybe, but we must keep in mind that no "dirt on Hillary" (opposition research?) was ever produced at that meeting. Since no criminal act was being lied about then what, exactly, is the justice involved?

1)Irrelevant.
2)And you believe that because...?

 

[RAMOSS]

First of all, I doubt it.
Second of all, Trump Jr. has the money to fight it. Mueller can't ruin him financially and squeeze out a phony plea. Mueller's finest hour was squeezing the last penny out of Flynn for a crime he arguably did not commit but was leveraged to commit further perjury against other Mueller targets. That is how the FBI works.

If and when the sentence is vacated, Trump should order the FBI's budget be used to reimburse Flynn for all costs.

And there is still an open question of Mueller's complicity in not preventing the murder of two informants in the Whitey Bulger case. It's a story that needs to be told.

If Mueller wants to go for Trump Jr, it won't be to turn him against his father, it will be to prosecute a serious crime.

 

[Mycroft]

Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to be Indicted by Mueller Soon



If Mueller has evidence that Trump Jr. committed perjury should charges be pursued?

yawn...

Another poll based on a speculative what if scenario from the Trump hating multimedia echo chamber.

Tell me, Winston...aren't you tired of all this nonsense? You keep getting disappointed, yet you keep coming back for more.

(What is that popular definition of insanity? I forget.)

 

[Winston]

There are simply too many pieces in play to say what will happen. Mueller doesn't talk, and Whitaker has already taken over the AG position. There is still no word on how Whitaker, unqualified and biased as he clearly is, will react once Mueller fully briefs him on the progress of the investigation.

Yeah, Whitaker's purpose in that post is to prevent justice from being served against those who are above the law.

 

[chuckiechan]

If any prosecutor, not just Mueller, has evidence that s/he feels is sufficiently probative of an actus reus, and whatever mens rea be required, to obtain a conviction, s/he should file an indictment against the person, Trump, Jr or anyone else. If, on the other hand, the prosecutor's professional judgment suggests a high degree of dubitability about obtaining a conviction, s/he should refrain from levying charges.

True, except that this is a political prosecution since there was no crime to investigate, just a mandate to “see if there is one”, thus as the famous democrat Lavrentiy Beria, who assured his boss, Joseph Stalin, “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime.”

 

[Winston]

yawn...

Another poll based on a speculative what if scenario from the Trump hating multimedia echo chamber.

Tell me, Winston...aren't you tired of all this nonsense? You keep getting disappointed, yet you keep coming back for more.

(What is that popular definition of insanity? I forget.)

Mycroft, right on time to do some lying in service of his masters.

 

[markjs]

Mycroft, right on time to do some lying in service of his masters.

Well he's one of those Qanon guys. I thought they were supposed to believe Mueller is on Trump's side? Qanon is one of the dumbest CTs out there. Right up there with flat earthers.:lamo

 

[GDViking]

Maybe, but we must keep in mind that no "dirt on Hillary" (opposition research?) was ever produced at that meeting. Since no criminal act was being lied about then what, exactly, is the justice involved?

That is incorrect, the tower meeting is when and where Russia not only let the trump campaign know they possessed the hacked emails but we're willing to use them in subversive ways.

Jr said cool and then latter sent emails discussing the timing of their release.

These are all facts that are public, just imagine what Mueller has.

**** he was able to track down individual hackers working for Putin, you don't think that he has the goods of a clumsy crime family like the trumps?

They got away for things for decades by paying off the right people. They are no longer in that position and they have someone even more devoted than Eliot Ness on their trial.

Jr is correct it is just a matter of time before he is indicted...

 

[Cardinal]

Yeah, Whitaker's purpose in that post is to prevent justice from being served against those who are above the law.

Obviously. What we don't know yet:

1. What will Whitaker do when he's briefed on the details of the investigation rather than what has merely been released to the public?
2. Are Republicans willing to make their abandonment of ethics official by ignoring the fact that he's supposed to recuse himself?
3. Will DOJ employees settle for the AG ignoring all DOJ guidelines? Tradition would call for mass resignations if he does.

Both those questions should be cause for pessimism, but we don't know yet if Congressional republicans are entirely ready to make their abandonment of ethics and the law essentially a GOP platform. They've done it in all the myriad of peripheral ways, but this would certainly be taking their moral and ethical bankruptcy to a new level.

 

[Mycroft]

Mycroft, right on time to do some lying in service of his masters.

Please...point out what I've lied about.

 

[GDViking]

If Mueller wants to go for Trump Jr, it won't be to turn him against his father, it will be to prosecute a serious crime.

True the plea bargains are over, the chumming is done , Mueller is about to haul in the big fish...

 

[JustHanging]

If any prosecutor, not just Mueller, has evidence that s/he feels is sufficiently probative of an actus reus, and whatever mens rea be required, to obtain a conviction, s/he should file an indictment against the person, Trump, Jr or anyone else. If, on the other hand, the prosecutor's professional judgment suggests a high degree of dubitability about obtaining a conviction, s/he should refrain from levying charges.

Indubitably.

 

[RAMOSS]

True the plea bargains are over, the chumming is done , Mueller is about to haul in the big fish...

I also suspect that if there are indictments, it will be through something OTHER than Muellers team. He's farming things out for some reason.

It might even go to state level, and not be done by the feds.

 

[Mycroft]

2. Are Republicans willing to make their abandonment of ethics official by ignoring the fact that he's supposed to recuse himself?

I wonder why Strzok and Page didn't recuse themselves?

 

[apdst]

Donald Trump Jr. Expecting to be Indicted by Mueller Soon



If Mueller has evidence that Trump Jr. committed perjury should charges be pursued?

Perjury regarding for what, exactly?

 

[Cardinal]

Perjury regarding for what, exactly?

I know; reading is hard.

 

[GDViking]

I also suspect that if there are indictments, it will be through something OTHER than Muellers team. He's farming things out for some reason.

It might even go to state level, and not be done by the feds.

True he has been doing that to work around trumps pardon power.