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We are no longer the United States of America

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Son...I gave you HOPE. I gave you a TREMENDOUS gift. You started this ridiculous thread wailing about the country. What you KN OW now is that YOU and people like you are the problem AND that you have the gift...the opportunity...to BE SOMEONE BETTER. or to continue to be the problem.

I have answered the thread. What you do with the answer...well...thats up to you, now, isnt it?

You have the same chance but you are not being a model for what you want me to be. It's like Trump, he is no model to follow.

By the way, thanks for the word "son". It's been at least 50 years since anyone called me that. At 73 years of age, there is no one left that would even be able to call me son.

I thank you from the bottom of my heart for the TREMENDOUS gift you have given me. Then again, your words don't suggest you could give a lollipop to a little girl without some dark thoughts behind it.

Then again, listening to someone trying to tell me to be better has to come from someone that is better (a model of perfection) and unfortunately that is not you.
 
The past 2 years have certainly cemented the fact that we are no longer the United States of America. The Republican and Democratic Ideals are now so separate to each other that staying 1 nation does not make sense because we will not be able to go forward and accomplish anything of note for the still American public. As it is now, this will not change. Either one side wins or the other. Winning as a nation for all is not the desired result, it is winning for the party platform.

Caring for others is now called Socialism. Trying to spread the wealth the U.S. as a whole has built is now called Socialism. Wanting to protect the environment and protect the populace from greedy and unscrupulous people is now called Socialism. Wanting Health Care for everyone is now called Socialism.

The Republicans are all about me, me, me, and me. They are all about individuality and not a family. They are all about money and economic stability and not about emotional stability. They are about "the best shall win, no matter how it's done". It is no longer about Justice but about who is the strongest, the biggest bully.

I am sorry, but that is not the America that I was born to. The America I was born to was about equality for all, justice for all, helping others (nations and people) for a better future for all.

I don't know what America you think you grew up in, but the dynamics has not changed for the worse by YOUR standards. The Goldwater GOP supported ending social security, Medicare did not exist, the EPA and the CPA was a gleam in Nixon's eye, and Civil Rights legislation was being fought out in Congress. And if we are speaking of the 70s, well, that is a decade I'd rather forget (massive stagflation, oil embargo, communist cold war successes, the horrific misery index, skyrocketing crime rates, rationed gas lines, and great society programs crashing and burning in failure) - you don't miss that, do you?

As for your feelings, well, they are purely reactive without understanding. Emotions are not enough, they are the refuge of the intellectually stunted (willfully or not).

First, since when is caring for others equated with socialism, except by the left? In the world of the left, people and society is only caring if it uses coercive threats (taxes) to take from Joe and pay Jose (or vice versa). Since when is caring for others when the rude regulator behind the city planning or permit department whose incompetence or indifference has become an iconic feature of government "service"? How is it when they "care for the poor" without (in California) grotesque penalties for minor traffic infractions, sky high residential and apartment building fees, fines for having a non-working vehicle in your front-yard or driveway, and demand permit fees for relocating or adding a few electrical plugs or pipes (and paying for all new circuits to bring it up to their code)?

Second, if you are too lament anything it should be the diminishment of fraternal volunteer organizations (which at one time offered medical insurance to members) and the network of compassionate charities that was once the backbone of people in need. They are the middle and upper class civic engagement and caring that once existed - forever changed when government took over and immigration destroyed social capital and community trust.

Last, if you don't like the "me, me, me" perhaps you ask how VOLENTARY relationships (church, charities, civic organizations) are eroded by involuntary relationships (government bureaucracies)?

No, America is not the same - in part because folks like you got what they wished for.
 
I don't know what America you think you grew up in, but the dynamics has not changed for the worse by YOUR standards. The Goldwater GOP supported ending social security, Medicare did not exist, the EPA and the CPA was a gleam in Nixon's eye, and Civil Rights legislation was being fought out in Congress. And if we are speaking of the 70s, well, that is a decade I'd rather forget (massive stagflation, oil embargo, communist cold war successes, the horrific misery index, skyrocketing crime rates, rationed gas lines, and great society programs crashing and burning in failure) - you don't miss that, do you?

As for your feelings, well, they are purely reactive without understanding. Emotions are not enough, they are the refuge of the intellectually stunted (willfully or not).


No, America is not the same - in part because folks like you got what they wished for.

There has always been and will always be two sides to the story and two ways to look at the same thing. That is people and they will always be the same. Nonetheless, in the past those opinions were based on some reality that was interpreted differently by each side but still a reality.

As I stated several times before, I never voted in my entire life until Trump showed up. Up until then, each nominee for office had some (if not all) of what I consider to be the basics of a human being. These are morals, ethics, principles and humanity. As long as the nominee, for whatever party, has at least one of these I figured that the United States would survive. Perhaps a worse or better period here and there but in the end survive because having one of those "basics" would guarantee that these people would not do something so drastically bad as to make the country go belly up.

and then Trump showed up. The man has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity...........NONE, and on top of that he lives in a fantasy world where one day the Pope could be a good person and the next day depending on what the Pope said he could be the devil. With Trump, there is no reality except what he thinks is reality. With him, even a nuclear war is possible. Killing hundreds of millions of people would not mean anything to him, it would just be a means to a desired end.

As such, and especially with so many supporters (such as you seem to be), his fantasies could become reality and his fantasies only include those he wants in his world, not those he detests and hates. The damage that such a man could cause not only to the U.S. but to the entire world is actually even more than what Hitler, Stalin and those kinds of people were able to do.

If you think for one second that these are just my personal opinions and emotions, you are wrong. A person that lies at the tune of about 7 times each day and actually believes many of his own lies is a danger to all because none of us have any control on what he believes since it is not reality. He could literally tomorrow think that the Democrats are going to kill him and all the Republicans and give the order to shoot all registered Democrats. Heck, he already in the past asked why he couldn't use nuclear weapons to resolve problems. A person like that has no handle on what is real and that means that none of us have a handle on it either.

The Checks and Balances that are supposed to protect us against such a person have been worked on by Trump to be eroded to where they don't work any more. The Justice Department is now under his control, the House and the Senate were under his control and those that did not agree with him he tried to get rid of them, even if they were in his own party. The Federal and Supreme Courts are now under his control. Tell me how the Checks and Balances can work if he has all 3 of the Checks and Balances sowed up in his favor?

I am sorry, but your long-winded attack on my person does not solve the problem. I could literally disappear but the problems would remain. I am just a voice trying to talk about the problem which is not the Republican or Democratic party but a mad man (Trump) that lives in a fantasy world that none of us can control.
 
There has always been and will always be two sides to the story and two ways to look at the same thing. That is people and they will always be the same. Nonetheless, in the past those opinions were based on some reality that was interpreted differently by each side but still a reality.

As I stated several times before, I never voted in my entire life until Trump showed up. Up until then, each nominee for office had some (if not all) of what I consider to be the basics of a human being. These are morals, ethics, principles and humanity. As long as the nominee, for whatever party, has at least one of these I figured that the United States would survive. Perhaps a worse or better period here and there but in the end survive because having one of those "basics" would guarantee that these people would not do something so drastically bad as to make the country go belly up.

and then Trump showed up. The man has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity...........NONE, and on top of that he lives in a fantasy world where one day the Pope could be a good person and the next day depending on what the Pope said he could be the devil. With Trump, there is no reality except what he thinks is reality. With him, even a nuclear war is possible. Killing hundreds of millions of people would not mean anything to him, it would just be a means to a desired end.

As such, and especially with so many supporters (such as you seem to be), his fantasies could become reality and his fantasies only include those he wants in his world, not those he detests and hates. The damage that such a man could cause not only to the U.S. but to the entire world is actually even more than what Hitler, Stalin and those kinds of people were able to do.

If you think for one second that these are just my personal opinions and emotions, you are wrong. A person that lies at the tune of about 7 times each day and actually believes many of his own lies is a danger to all because none of us have any control on what he believes since it is not reality. He could literally tomorrow think that the Democrats are going to kill him and all the Republicans and give the order to shoot all registered Democrats. Heck, he already in the past asked why he couldn't use nuclear weapons to resolve problems. A person like that has no handle on what is real and that means that none of us have a handle on it either.

The Checks and Balances that are supposed to protect us against such a person have been worked on by Trump to be eroded to where they don't work any more. The Justice Department is now under his control, the House and the Senate were under his control and those that did not agree with him he tried to get rid of them, even if they were in his own party. The Federal and Supreme Courts are now under his control. Tell me how the Checks and Balances can work if he has all 3 of the Checks and Balances sowed up in his favor?

I am sorry, but your long-winded attack on my person does not solve the problem. I could literally disappear but the problems would remain. I am just a voice trying to talk about the problem which is not the Republican or Democratic party but a mad man (Trump) that lives in a fantasy world that none of us can control.

and yet what ACTION has Trump taken that has actually hurt the US?
 
and yet what ACTION has Trump taken that has actually hurt the US?

Sorry for the retort I am going to use but it fits.

Are you going to wait until you get cancer to do something about it, or isn't prevention of the disease, especially when you and your family are "prone" to cancer more important?

and by the way, there are several things that Trump has already done that signal the signs of cancer coming, such as inciting hate to such a degree that already people are taking it upon themselves to do something about it by killing people that already Trump has stated are enemies.

I know that compared to millions, the amount killed by hate is very low so far but it is a symptom, is it not?
 
It is the Democrats that want to destroy the traditional family. They encourage new definitions for marriage itself, encourage me, me, me because "I'm a victim". They classify and subdivide society and encourage bigotry and racism, the steal from the productive members of our society to give to unproductive members of our society, they want to control every aspect of your life, including what your family will even look like. It is Democrats that want to destroy the Constitution and the rule of law, and replace it with oligarchies and fascism.

It is the Republicans (actually conservatives) that want to restrict government overreach and return it to constitutional government. It is the Republicans wanting to support the traditional family. It is the Republicans that want to get government out of the way of families being able to support themselves economically. It is Republicans that support capitalism, the only economic system that can create wealth. It is the Republicans that want to keep charity voluntary, for involuntary 'charity' is not charity. It's slavery and tyranny. It is Republicans that support the rule of law, not of violent protests that kill cops and vandalize businesses.

It is the Democrat and liberals you will find holding up the banner of lies, special privileges for the 'elite', and the way of the Nazis, the communists, the Maoists, and other dictators and oligarchies.
It is the conservative Republican you will find holding up the banner of truth, justice and the American way. The way of the Constitution. The way of the rule of law. The way of voluntary charity, and true charity at that...one of the highest forms of love there is.

Trump may be loud, he may be obnoxious, but he speaks his mind uncut, unedited. He is trying to secure our borders, to restore some rule of law to turn back what the liberals have done over the last many decades. It is trying to discourage racism. He is calling out the press for the lies and distortions they make. He stands for America. He does not cut any slack to anyone that doesn't. Personally, I find it very refreshing in a President. He is not a product of the media. They didn't make him. They can't break him.

All of this was said quite beautifully, and I feel the same way about all of it. There is a clear cut difference between the two parties, and at this point, I feel that it is vital to vote straight R simply as a direct "opposition to D" vote. I love this country, as does Trump, and I oppose all attempts to change it from a Federated Republic into a Democracy (which will crumble and likely become an Oligarchy, all according to plan).

I personally find Trump's personality, in an overall sense, to be quite refreshing and relatable. He's not a brown-nosing politician, and he is not controlled by the Leftist Media. I love how he put Acosta in his place once again, and love that Acosta finally got his press pass revoked (at least temporarily). That whiny obnoxiously rude ill-mannered intellectual baby has needed a "time-out" punishment for quite some time now...
 
I am sorry to interrupt you and this diatribe but this is about the fact that both parties have different platforms and both are stuck on them and will not budge to find a compromise.
What's to compromise?
This is not about finding fault but about the desire to find solutions.
Neither seems to want to find solutions.
A paradox is not a solution.
Then again and as I have said several times before, if one of the platforms is all about me, me, me, no solutions can ever be found because me, me, me is not about us, us, us. As such, the me, me, me people should get up and say, lets work to find a way that its about us. Then the us people need to get up and respond.
Argument by repetition fallacy.
 
"Let the poor starve and die" doesn't exist in a civilized society. And I hardly call right wing Islamophobia, immigrant-phobia, misogyny and racism "live and let live."

I'm all for splitting this country in half. Red states use more welfare than they give. It's time to cut the moocher states loose.

So you have no problem with radical Islamics coming to kill you for religious reasons. You have no problem with a 'country' without a border. You have no problem with left-wing misogyny like Bill Clinton has. You have no problem with left-wing racism like Obama and Bill Clinton has.

States don't give welfare to the federal government. If you want to cut off States that have welfare recipients, you will have to cut off every State in the Union. This means the loss of Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, shutting down the Dept of Agriculture, shutting down the Dept of Energy, shutting down DARPA, shutting down the EPA, most of the FCC, major portions of the FAA, the TSA, the FHA, the VA, FEMA, federal funding of Planned Parenthood, etc.

You quite probably live in or near a major city. A city that can neither feed nor house nor clothe nor heat nor cool its inhabitants without continuous supplies from outside.

Supplies that come from those 'red States' you want to cut off.
 
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What's to compromise?

A paradox is not a solution.

Argument by repetition fallacy.

You are more set up to be a movie critic than a critic of debates.

What's to compromise? You mean to tell me that the Republicans are all right and the Democrats are all wrong in what they want and the Democrats should simply give in and become Republicans?

What a ridiculous question.

A paradox is not a solution is exactly what I said. All you did what explain it as a paradox and I didn't. Nonetheless, it certainly does not address the problem. To have it explained to be in other words, I will call in a linguist.

Argument by repetition fallacy. This is certainly Hypocritical given that Trump repeats everything 1000 times and Trump supporters like you drink it up over and over and over and over again and don't complain. Of course, when it comes to someone that is against that same thing, it becomes a "repetition fallacy",

You really need to learn to debate given that you seem to have the critic part down but the proving your side is 100% faulty.

Your post does absolutely nothing but criticize. My rating on you is 0 stars.
 
Sorry for the retort I am going to use but it fits.

Are you going to wait until you get cancer to do something about it, or isn't prevention of the disease, especially when you and your family are "prone" to cancer more important?
No, but there needs to be more definite symptoms than "he pisses liberals off".
Luckyone said:
and by the way, there are several things that Trump has already done that signal the signs of cancer coming, such as inciting hate to such a degree that already people are taking it upon themselves to do something about it by killing people that already Trump has stated are enemies.
Trump incites the violence? Are you ****ting me. You guys sling hate after hate, you have Mad Max saying physical confrontation is fair. You have people burning GOP offices or shooting into them and people threatening anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Luckyone said:
I know that compared to millions, the amount killed by hate is very low so far but it is a symptom, is it not?
Only symptom I see is lefties projecting their own behaviors onto the right. "Trump made me do it" as an excuse expired when we stopped playing in sandboxes.
 
There has always been and will always be two sides to the story and two ways to look at the same thing. That is people and they will always be the same. Nonetheless, in the past those opinions were based on some reality that was interpreted differently by each side but still a reality.

As I stated several times before, I never voted in my entire life until Trump showed up. Up until then, each nominee for office had some (if not all) of what I consider to be the basics of a human being. These are morals, ethics, principles and humanity. As long as the nominee, for whatever party, has at least one of these I figured that the United States would survive. Perhaps a worse or better period here and there but in the end survive because having one of those "basics" would guarantee that these people would not do something so drastically bad as to make the country go belly up.

and then Trump showed up. The man has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity...........NONE, and on top of that he lives in a fantasy world where one day the Pope could be a good person and the next day depending on what the Pope said he could be the devil. With Trump, there is no reality except what he thinks is reality. With him, even a nuclear war is possible. Killing hundreds of millions of people would not mean anything to him, it would just be a means to a desired end.

As such, and especially with so many supporters (such as you seem to be), his fantasies could become reality and his fantasies only include those he wants in his world, not those he detests and hates. The damage that such a man could cause not only to the U.S. but to the entire world is actually even more than what Hitler, Stalin and those kinds of people were able to do.

If you think for one second that these are just my personal opinions and emotions, you are wrong. A person that lies at the tune of about 7 times each day and actually believes many of his own lies is a danger to all because none of us have any control on what he believes since it is not reality. He could literally tomorrow think that the Democrats are going to kill him and all the Republicans and give the order to shoot all registered Democrats. Heck, he already in the past asked why he couldn't use nuclear weapons to resolve problems. A person like that has no handle on what is real and that means that none of us have a handle on it either.

The Checks and Balances that are supposed to protect us against such a person have been worked on by Trump to be eroded to where they don't work any more. The Justice Department is now under his control, the House and the Senate were under his control and those that did not agree with him he tried to get rid of them, even if they were in his own party. The Federal and Supreme Courts are now under his control. Tell me how the Checks and Balances can work if he has all 3 of the Checks and Balances sowed up in his favor?

I am sorry, but your long-winded attack on my person does not solve the problem. I could literally disappear but the problems would remain. I am just a voice trying to talk about the problem which is not the Republican or Democratic party but a mad man (Trump) that lives in a fantasy world that none of us can control.

The Justice Department is run and maintained by the President of the United States. It includes the FBI, the DEA, the EOA, the Marshal's office, the U.S. branch of Interpol, the Inspector General, the Attorney General, etc.
The Justice Department is under Trump's control, just as it was for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, etc.

Try at least learning how our federal government is basically organized.
 
Sorry for the retort I am going to use but it fits.

Are you going to wait until you get cancer to do something about it, or isn't prevention of the disease, especially when you and your family are "prone" to cancer more important?

and by the way, there are several things that Trump has already done that signal the signs of cancer coming, such as inciting hate to such a degree that already people are taking it upon themselves to do something about it by killing people that already Trump has stated are enemies.

I know that compared to millions, the amount killed by hate is very low so far but it is a symptom, is it not?

Where has this happened?
 
All of this was said quite beautifully, and I feel the same way about all of it. There is a clear cut difference between the two parties, and at this point, I feel that it is vital to vote straight R simply as a direct "opposition to D" vote. I love this country, as does Trump, and I oppose all attempts to change it from a Federated Republic into a Democracy (which will crumble and likely become an Oligarchy, all according to plan).

I personally find Trump's personality, in an overall sense, to be quite refreshing and relatable. He's not a brown-nosing politician, and he is not controlled by the Leftist Media. I love how he put Acosta in his place once again, and love that Acosta finally got his press pass revoked (at least temporarily). That whiny obnoxiously rude ill-mannered intellectual baby has needed a "time-out" punishment for quite some time now...

He sure did. I would like to see his press pass revoked permanently.
 
It is the Democrats that want to destroy the traditional family. They encourage new definitions for marriage itself, encourage me, me, me because "I'm a victim". They classify and subdivide society and encourage bigotry and racism, the steal from the productive members of our society to give to unproductive members of our society, they want to control every aspect of your life, including what your family will even look like. It is Democrats that want to destroy the Constitution and the rule of law, and replace it with oligarchies and fascism.

It is the Republicans (actually conservatives) that want to restrict government overreach and return it to constitutional government. It is the Republicans wanting to support the traditional family. It is the Republicans that want to get government out of the way of families being able to support themselves economically. It is Republicans that support capitalism, the only economic system that can create wealth. It is the Republicans that want to keep charity voluntary, for involuntary 'charity' is not charity. It's slavery and tyranny. It is Republicans that support the rule of law, not of violent protests that kill cops and vandalize businesses.

It is the Democrat and liberals you will find holding up the banner of lies, special privileges for the 'elite', and the way of the Nazis, the communists, the Maoists, and other dictators and oligarchies.
It is the conservative Republican you will find holding up the banner of truth, justice and the American way. The way of the Constitution. The way of the rule of law. The way of voluntary charity, and true charity at that...one of the highest forms of love there is.

Trump may be loud, he may be obnoxious, but he speaks his mind uncut, unedited. He is trying to secure our borders, to restore some rule of law to turn back what the liberals have done over the last many decades. It is trying to discourage racism. He is calling out the press for the lies and distortions they make. He stands for America. He does not cut any slack to anyone that doesn't. Personally, I find it very refreshing in a President. He is not a product of the media. They didn't make him. They can't break him.

I was actually impressed at your ability to explain the differences between the Republican and Democratic platforms. You did a good job from a biased point of view. I say biased, because it is certainly not a clear as you suggest that it is. Being an independent I have the ability to see the good and the bad of each platform and I am not a "rubber stamp" for the Democratic platform.

Nonetheless, these "differences" you mentions have existed between the two parties for a long time and yet during that time there have been many occasions where things in our nation worked well, meaning that the end results you visualize are extremes and not "likely" to ever happen.

By the same token, when you got down to talking about Trump and not the party itself, you forgot to mention the one thing that is truly bad about Trump, and that is that he is incompetent and though he speak his mind uncut and unedited and may be trying to do the things he promised (mostly for his own benefit, either for his ego or to get re-elected), the problem is that he has no ability to get anything done.

The Tax Cut was done by Congress, not him. The de-regulation he has done were simply papers that were brought to him by others that thought of it, to sign, the illegal immigration is slightly better than under Obama (key word is "slightly") but then again he is spending zillions more to get it done and it is also something that he himself is not doing other than ridiculously sending military troops to fight women and children with stones and pebbles.

The man has bankrupted 6 companies though his father gave him $414 million dollars to "get started". He has no ability or knowledge to get anything done other than by lying and scamming people.

This means that your trust in him to "deliver the goods" is misplaced and faulty as the credit for the things that have already happened that have been what the Republicans wanted was not him. Now, starting with the Trade War and the fact there is nothing else that Congress can accomplish by themselves, comes the time when you will realize how incompetent person he is, in addition to the fact he is obnoxious and has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity.

The wake up period is ahead. With the House no longer being on his side, it will now be seen exactly how much Trump really knows about getting things done and done the right way. My bet is his failing miserably.
 
There has always been and will always be two sides to the story and two ways to look at the same thing. That is people and they will always be the same. Nonetheless, in the past those opinions were based on some reality that was interpreted differently by each side but still a reality.

As I stated several times before, I never voted in my entire life until Trump showed up. Up until then, each nominee for office had some (if not all) of what I consider to be the basics of a human being. These are morals, ethics, principles and humanity. As long as the nominee, for whatever party, has at least one of these I figured that the United States would survive. Perhaps a worse or better period here and there but in the end survive because having one of those "basics" would guarantee that these people would not do something so drastically bad as to make the country go belly up.

and then Trump showed up. The man has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity...........NONE, and on top of that he lives in a fantasy world where one day the Pope could be a good person and the next day depending on what the Pope said he could be the devil. With Trump, there is no reality except what he thinks is reality. With him, even a nuclear war is possible. Killing hundreds of millions of people would not mean anything to him, it would just be a means to a desired end.

As such, and especially with so many supporters (such as you seem to be), his fantasies could become reality and his fantasies only include those he wants in his world, not those he detests and hates. The damage that such a man could cause not only to the U.S. but to the entire world is actually even more than what Hitler, Stalin and those kinds of people were able to do.

If you think for one second that these are just my personal opinions and emotions, you are wrong. A person that lies at the tune of about 7 times each day and actually believes many of his own lies is a danger to all because none of us have any control on what he believes since it is not reality. He could literally tomorrow think that the Democrats are going to kill him and all the Republicans and give the order to shoot all registered Democrats. Heck, he already in the past asked why he couldn't use nuclear weapons to resolve problems. A person like that has no handle on what is real and that means that none of us have a handle on it either.

The Checks and Balances that are supposed to protect us against such a person have been worked on by Trump to be eroded to where they don't work any more. The Justice Department is now under his control, the House and the Senate were under his control and those that did not agree with him he tried to get rid of them, even if they were in his own party. The Federal and Supreme Courts are now under his control. Tell me how the Checks and Balances can work if he has all 3 of the Checks and Balances sowed up in his favor?

I am sorry, but your long-winded attack on my person does not solve the problem. I could literally disappear but the problems would remain. I am just a voice trying to talk about the problem which is not the Republican or Democratic party but a mad man (Trump) that lives in a fantasy world that none of us can control.


Perhaps its time to take a relaxing break. You appear to be a couple of maddow shows away from a baseball field. Extreme extreme extreme must be exhausting.
 
The past 2 years have certainly cemented the fact that we are no longer the United States of America. The Republican and Democratic Ideals are now so separate to each other that staying 1 nation does not make sense because we will not be able to go forward and accomplish anything of note for the still American public. As it is now, this will not change. Either one side wins or the other. Winning as a nation for all is not the desired result, it is winning for the party platform.

Caring for others is now called Socialism. Trying to spread the wealth the U.S. as a whole has built is now called Socialism. Wanting to protect the environment and protect the populace from greedy and unscrupulous people is now called Socialism. Wanting Health Care for everyone is now called Socialism.

The Republicans are all about me, me, me, and me. They are all about individuality and not a family. They are all about money and economic stability and not about emotional stability. They are about "the best shall win, no matter how it's done". It is no longer about Justice but about who is the strongest, the biggest bully.

I am sorry, but that is not the America that I was born to. The America I was born to was about equality for all, justice for all, helping others (nations and people) for a better future for all.

All is now Socialist and Me is now the way to go.

America has the best health care in the world and no one who needs it is denied it.

Right leaning people have an Individualist mindset.

Left leaning people have a Collectivists mindset.

American was founded and still is rugged individualist nation.

The US Constitution is the ultimate doctrine of Individualism, and why most Leftist don’t really like it.

Despite all its imperfections America is the greatest most prosperous nation in all human history.

For at least the last 100 years Leftist have wanted to change America to an Collectivist Ideology that has always failed and killed over 200 million people.
 
Then you are no successful salesman, as you claim.

Well, fortunately for me I can prove that I was. My income and my awards that span 30 years are clear proof of it no matter what you think.
 
He sure did. I would like to see his press pass revoked permanently.

Me too... It's downright abhorred and immoral what Acosta claims is "professional journalism"... I'm glad Trump is in office to deal with whiny kooks like him, and in a "no BS" kind of way...

And his abhorred and immoral behavior extends to CNN (for supporting his actions) as well as anyone else who supports his actions.
 
Well, fortunately for me I can prove that I was. My income and my awards that span 30 years are clear proof of it no matter what you think.

That's not proof at all...

Some of the biggest morons in the world get paid crap tons of money, and some of the biggest morons in the world get the most BS awards given to them for BS stuff... Both tend to happen because of the people's "connections" that they have (they know the correct people), and not at all because of their merit. What's your point?

Secondly, you are totally wrong about my interpersonal skills given that I was extremely successful as a salesman for 40 years and interpersonal skills are an absolute must in that profession because if the person you are trying to sell to doesn't like you, he ain't going to buy. There was not one single year in the 40 years that I was a salesman that I wasn't either first or second in sales.

I don't believe you.
 
I was actually impressed at your ability to explain the differences between the Republican and Democratic platforms. You did a good job from a biased point of view. I say biased, because it is certainly not a clear as you suggest that it is. Being an independent I have the ability to see the good and the bad of each platform and I am not a "rubber stamp" for the Democratic platform.

Nonetheless, these "differences" you mentions have existed between the two parties for a long time and yet during that time there have been many occasions where things in our nation worked well, meaning that the end results you visualize are extremes and not "likely" to ever happen.

By the same token, when you got down to talking about Trump and not the party itself, you forgot to mention the one thing that is truly bad about Trump, and that is that he is incompetent and though he speak his mind uncut and unedited and may be trying to do the things he promised (mostly for his own benefit, either for his ego or to get re-elected), the problem is that he has no ability to get anything done.

The Tax Cut was done by Congress, not him. The de-regulation he has done were simply papers that were brought to him by others that thought of it, to sign, the illegal immigration is slightly better than under Obama (key word is "slightly") but then again he is spending zillions more to get it done and it is also something that he himself is not doing other than ridiculously sending military troops to fight women and children with stones and pebbles.

The man has bankrupted 6 companies though his father gave him $414 million dollars to "get started". He has no ability or knowledge to get anything done other than by lying and scamming people.

This means that your trust in him to "deliver the goods" is misplaced and faulty as the credit for the things that have already happened that have been what the Republicans wanted was not him. Now, starting with the Trade War and the fact there is nothing else that Congress can accomplish by themselves, comes the time when you will realize how incompetent person he is, in addition to the fact he is obnoxious and has no morals, ethics, principles or humanity.

The wake up period is ahead. With the House no longer being on his side, it will now be seen exactly how much Trump really knows about getting things done and done the right way. My bet is his failing miserably.
So, Trump didn't do the tax cuts, eh? Congress just decided on their own to go for it? Do you think all those regulations were cut because bureau chiefs just decided to do it? By that argument Obama didn't do Obamacare, either. See how your argument falls apart?
 
No, but there needs to be more definite symptoms than "he pisses liberals off".
Trump incites the violence? Are you ****ting me. You guys sling hate after hate, you have Mad Max saying physical confrontation is fair. You have people burning GOP offices or shooting into them and people threatening anyone who doesn't agree with them.
Only symptom I see is lefties projecting their own behaviors onto the right. "Trump made me do it" as an excuse expired when we stopped playing in sandboxes.

Bullseye, you truly bring a smirk to my face every single time I see you answering one of my posts.

What kind of a symptom would you want to see before you go to the doctor? Would you need a sharp acute pain and inability to pee or simply a pain that you have never felt before? Since I don't want to get cancer or any other sickness, when I run into any kind of pain that I cannot explain, I go there. Evidently, you need the cancer to get to the place that the pain is too much before you even get it checked....and by the way, if liberals were the only people getting pissed, I would agree that is not an unusual pain. Nonetheless, when half of the population is against you and there are 900 protests against you (like what is scheduled for this weekend) then it is a sharp and acute pain with an inability to pee and it is time to see someone about the prospects of it being a cancer.

If I was the only one complaining about Trump, I might have to think about the possibilities of my being wrong but when half of the population is complaining about Trump, it is no longer about me or about "the Democrats are doing it". I do not remember one single time in our entire history when the Democrats were as riled up about the President as they are about Trump.

Do you ever factor that into your equation of support for him? Do you ever say "so many people cannot be 100% wrong"?
 
You are more set up to be a movie critic than a critic of debates.
Movies are generally fiction. I have no problem with suspending what is real to be entertained by fiction. I don't critically analyze movies.
What's to compromise? You mean to tell me that the Republicans are all right and the Democrats are all wrong in what they want and the Democrats should simply give in and become Republicans?
The short answer? Yes.
What a ridiculous question.
Since you couldn't answer it, I guess it's not so ridiculous.
A paradox is not a solution is exactly what I said.
Nope. You are ignoring the paradox that is already there.

Should marriage only be between a man and woman? How do you compromise on that?
Should the federal government tell you what you can buy for your light bulbs and toilets by diktat? How do you compromise on that?
Should we raise taxes or lower them? How do you compromise on that?
Should we impose more government regulations on a business or remove them? How do you compromise on that?
Should we outlaw 'assault rifles' or legalize them? How do you compromise on that?

All you did what explain it as a paradox and I didn't.
No, you ignored the paradox that is already there. You can't support both sides of these issues.
Nonetheless, it certainly does not address the problem. To have it explained to be in other words, I will call in a linguist.
It might help. You seem to have trouble with English from time to time.
Argument by repetition fallacy.
Yup. Because you mindlessly repeated your argument even though it was already answered.
This is certainly Hypocritical given that Trump repeats everything 1000 times
Argument from randU. Trump may repeat his statements to different groups of people, but he is not repeating any argument that was counter-argued. Remember, such counter-arguments must be free of any fallacy.
and Trump supporters like you drink it up over and over and over and over again and don't complain.
What's to complain about?
Of course, when it comes to someone that is against that same thing, it becomes a "repetition fallacy",
You made a repetition fallacy. This is a logical error, just as surely as a mathematical error.
You really need to learn to debate given that you seem to have the critic part down but the proving your side is 100% faulty.
Bulverism fallacy. Bigotry fallacy.
Your post does absolutely nothing but criticize. My rating on you is 0 stars.
I don't give a damn about your rating system. Bulverism fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.
 
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