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Jeff Bezos: Rich democrat hypocrite

Helix said:
businesses are made up of individuals. i support a competitive corporate rate, and progressive individual rates for all income.
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OK, but you seemed to have indicated support for a progressive rate tax on business income.
 
trouble13 said:
Exactly why I advocate switching from an income tax to a consumption tax. It's harder to hide spending than it is earnings.

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But poor people spend. The half that don't pay any income tax would now be paying tax. I agree with that, but how then would we insure that the top 10% pay more than half the taxes ?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, but you seemed to have indicated support for a progressive rate tax on business income.
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i support progressive tax rates for all individual income.
 
Greenbeard said:
Trump's unpopular tax giveaway to wealthy individuals and corporations was indeed Trump.
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Democrats keep lying about their "tax the rich" plans that they know don't have any substance to them and make no sense whatsoever.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You act like the Democratic party somehow supports that behavior when it doesn't. Many Democratic politicians, most notably Bernie Sanders, has relentlessly attacked Bezos publicly for taking these stances. What's baffling is why a conservative would take issue with his behavior. That's the kind of thing you guys want to see more of, right? Why isn't he your hero?
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He is, it's just that marke is a Dominionist who wants theocracy but in the meantime he'll settle for just criminalizing liberalism, kinda like James972.
I'm guessing they must be friends. If not, someone should introduce them.
 
SoCal said:
Seems like you're preaching to the choir and could be common ground. Assuming this goes both ways, I'm all for taxing the rich much more and believe most Dems would agree.

The rich should pay more regardless of political leanings...
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How do we tax the rich without hurting the poor? Take more money away from businesses which could be used for increased benefits to workers or jobs creating expansions? Take money from their savings if they no longer work? Take away tax shelters like foundations and trusts? Tax their businesses more if they take minimal salaries to avoid taxes?

Why not just tax the corporations more until they bleed and hope it does not slow the economy?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is also much harder to design a non-regressive consumption tax. That is why the 'fair tax' plan was so complex. An income tax with a fairly high, yet truly standard deduction would work so long as income from all sources (above the standard deduction amount) is taxed and be fairly progressive even with a flat taxation rate.
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Where does it sat a progressive tax is superior to regressive one? Seems to be some sort of accepted orthodoxy that I'm not seeing why it's better

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jimbo said:
But poor people spend. The half that don't pay any income tax would now be paying tax. I agree with that, but how then would we insure that the top 10% pay more than half the taxes ?
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Quite simply if you can afford to buy a $600 phone you can afford to contribute something to the tax obligation that you helped create

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trouble13 said:
Quite simply if you can afford to buy a $600 phone you can afford to contribute something to the tax obligation that you helped create

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I'm in favor of that. Sales tax affects everyone and it is progressive. The rich buy far more than the poor. I don't think it will happen.
 
jimbo said:
I'm in favor of that. Sales tax affects everyone and it is progressive. The rich buy far more than the poor. I don't think it will happen.
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People claim it's regressive but either I don't understand the term or I don't see how it is. The more you spend the more you pay

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trouble13 said:
People claim it's regressive but either I don't understand the term or I don't see how it is. The more you spend the more you pay

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People claim it's regressive because the lower incomes will pay something. Lower paying something in lieu of nothing is regressive.
 
jimbo said:
People claim it's regressive because the lower incomes will pay something. Lower paying something in lieu of nothing is regressive.
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It's regressive because it equals a larger part of what money they have. You're mostly sore because rich people are taxed at all, who knows why.
 
rocket88 said:
It's regressive because it equals a larger part of what money they have. You're mostly sore because rich people are taxed at all, who knows why.
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I'm not sore because the rich are taxed. I think everybody should have skin in the game.
 
marke said:
...Here are some interesting facts:

1. Income inequality: He is worth what the average American is, nearly two million times over....
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Great point! Two million times over the average? That's just obscene. I agree, the political advantage that kind of wealth gives just one person over so many of his countrymen is just not right and should be addressed. What policies are you promoting to help level the playing field?

marke said:
2. Share the wealth: "He has given away only a tiny fraction of his fortune."...
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You bring up another great point where we agree. The wealthy give only a tiny percentage of their wealth to help our country and its citizens. They can afford to give so much, help that would enhance the lives of millions of their fellow Americans and yet?!? Disgusting isn't it? Just another typical example of the generosity their beating lumps of coal allows.

"The wealthiest Americans donate 1.3 percent of their income; the poorest, 3.2 percent."

marke said:
3. Tax the rich: He takes a minimal salary so the majority of his wealth is taxed at the corporate rate, which is 20%, meaning he is likely taxed at a lower rate than is his secretary...
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Well put, again we agree. This is far too common and is the result of our tax structure put in place and maintained by the rich. There's just no excuse for this kind of abusive exploitation of our poor and middle class. No one should need more than one fulltime job to survive.

marke said:
4. Amazon paid no federal corporate income taxes last year. Why would Bezos back democrats who want to tax corporations up the ying-yang? Because democrats can provide better loophole protections from the IRS for themselves, their friends and supporters than republicans offer...
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Wow, fourth good point! I agree corporations should be taxed much more, but you should realize that both rich Repubs and rich Dems have much more in common and work closer together than poor and middle class Repubs and Dems.

marke said:
5. Amazon worker benefits: Amazon's workers start out at about $5-an-hour below the country's national living wage. One in 3 Amazon employees in Arizona is on food stamps. But that works well for rich democrats. They can support democrat policies which mandate government supplemental benefits be given to poor workers to make up the income disparity gap...
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You're on a roll here! Yes! There's no reason in the world why full time workers should require government assistance to survive. Another good example of this are McDonald's workers;

"...half of the families of front-line fast-food workers depend on public programs, compared with 25 percent of the American workforce..."

marke said:
Rich democrats are not for having themselves pay more money to the government or to their employees. They are for having others pay more money to the government and for the government to provide protections for their greedy operations...
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So only the Dems are not for having to pay more to our government and their employees?!? You sorta went off the rails here, you have to remember this is America, everyone wants to pay less for everything.

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marke said:
How do we tax the rich without hurting the poor? Take more money away from businesses which could be used for increased benefits to workers or jobs creating expansions? Take money from their savings if they no longer work? Take away tax shelters like foundations and trusts? Tax their businesses more if they take minimal salaries to avoid taxes?

Why not just tax the corporations more until they bleed and hope it does not slow the economy?
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Your last post almost gives the impression that you contradicted yourself and flipped 180 degrees. But I refuse to believe that you're so hypocritical, petty and partisan to think, much less promote the idea that only rich Dems should pay more. All fair-minded know that the rich from our entire political spectrum, liberals to fascists, should pay more.

But to answer your questions for ignorant conservatives, unlike you;

How do we tax the rich without hurting the poor?

Progressive income taxation, stopping regressive flat taxes on roadway tolls and metro fares, higher luxury and capital gains taxes are just some examples.

Take more money away from businesses which could be used for increased benefits to workers or jobs creating expansions?

I agree, businesses could increase benefits to workers with money not paid in taxes, but history and common sense tell us that instead they just pocket the money or pay higher dividends to their investors.

Take money from their savings if they no longer work?

If by, "take money", you mean requiring the rich to pay progressive taxation on the dividends and interest they collect, yes of course..

Take away tax shelters like foundations and trusts?

There're tax shelters and there're tax shelters. No reason to stop deductions for nonprofit foundations and trusts, but take away tax shelters that help no one and were created for the sole purpose of sheltering taxes.

The rich have always enjoyed bashing the poor for not, 'pulling themselves up by their boot straps' and have always worked against policies that help level the playing field. Greed is a common vice, but you'll find it much more prominent in the rich who are the ones who have the power to satisfy it...
 
marke said:
Bezos is the richest man alive, or close to it. He is also a democrat. He is also a democrat hypocrite who is greedy with his money, like most democrats. Here are some interesting facts:

1. Income inequality: He is worth what the average American is, nearly two million times over.

2. Share the wealth: "He has given away only a tiny fraction of his fortune."

3. Tax the rich: He takes a minimal salary so the majority of his wealth is taxed at the corporate rate, which is 20%, meaning he is likely taxed at a lower rate than is his secretary.

4. Amazon paid no federal corporate income taxes last year. Why would Bezos back democrats who want to tax corporations up the ying-yang? Because democrats can provide better loophole protections from the IRS for themselves, their friends and supporters than republicans offer.

5. Amazon worker benefits: Amazon's workers start out at about $5-an-hour below the country's national living wage. One in 3 Amazon employees in Arizona is on food stamps. But that works well for rich democrats. They can support democrat policies which mandate government supplemental benefits be given to poor workers to make up the income disparity gap.

Rich democrats are not for having themselves pay more money to the government or to their employees. They are for having others pay more money to the government and for the government to provide protections for their greedy operations.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2018/08/the-problem-with-bezos-billions/566552/
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I am neither positive nor negative on Bezos but here is a better article about Bezos than the one you put up.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-net-worth-life-spending-2018-8#bezos-told-matthias-doepfner-ceo-of-business-insiders-parent-company-axel-springer-that-he-considers-blue-origin-the-most-important-work-hes-doing-39

Then again, how come you do not mention the Koch Brothers and what they have been doing with their money?

https://ourfuture.org/fact_sheet/koch-brothers-exposed-why-we-must-act-and-how
 
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