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Voters Must Reject The Moral Bankruptcy Of Donald Trump’s Republican Party

Thoreau72 said:
He seems to be the personification of the greed of Koch Bros and ALEC, Chamber of Commerce, Big Pharma, and all the rest of the fascist groups.
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Trump is just following orders for the most part (the trade war stuff is an exception). If there's a blessing in this it may be that more people can see the men that have always been behind the GOP curtain, some of whom are noted in your post.

How anyone who isn't super-rich and completely self-absorbed (Trump is at least the latter) can support this is beyond me. They are raping the country.
 
Renae said:
Still pushing a lie for political gain. Justice Kavanaugh is an innocent man, wrongly attacked over politics.
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He was not an innocent man, even if fords allegations could not be verified beyond a reasonable doubt, it was clear that be lied at will throughout his testimony.

The GOP had their minds made up before the testimony, it did not matter to them what was said, they were put that lying piece of **** on the bench even if he had confessed right there.

The GOP of old and have said that after the confirmation hearings they would look for someone without as much baggage, and more honorable, and most importantly honest...
 
Perotista said:
Far as I'm concerned both major parties are morally bankrupt. Both put party over country and both are out to destroy the other even if it means destroy this nation in the process. What the heck has happened to our political system over the last 20-30 years?
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Newt, Limbaugh and their followers/clones. There are some on the left attempting to play the same way, but they aren't really authors of this mess.
 
GDViking said:
You said you wanted to eliminate the EPA, that alone says how you would vote.

The EPA is loaded with environmental experts, the current GOP does not want to hear about a y of that science crap.

Environmental policies should not be handled by self serving partisan politicians who only have their own and by extension their parties interest at heart.

I have Nixon to thank for hundreds of thousands more miles of clean trout streams to fish, and thank to his endangered species act I see dozens of eagles every day, and now may be able to live a life long dream of trapping a wolf in the midwest.
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Wanting the EPA eliminated =/= wanting pollution.

I suppose I should clarify for those that can only think on a linear plane.

I want the EPA's regulatory ability to be eliminated. I do not want their enforcement ability to be eliminated. Usually when someone says that they want the EPA eliminated that is what they're talking about. The elimination of their regulatory ability.

Now, I'm sure you recognize this as you specifically talk about how in your opinion environmental policies should not be handled by self serving politicians. So long as you recognize this, and I can only assume that you do based on your wording, then you know that saying what you did about me wanting to "eliminate the EPA means I would vote for pollution" to be false.

I understand your concern about self serving politicians. But having self serving politicians in office is OUR fault for voting them in and keeping them in. It is OUR duty to make sure that we do not have self serving politicians in office. By advocating that the EPA be allowed to create regulations you are doing the same thing that politicians are doing. Passing the buck. "It's not OUR fault that those politicians are catering to corporations that pollute our environment instead of The People!" and then the politicians say "Well, its not OUR fault that corporations are polluting our environment! The EPA is supposed to be the ones stopping that!" Do you not see that this is what is being done? Everyone is passing the buck.

It is OUR job to hold politicians accountable. And it is Congresses job to legislate. Not the Executive branch. Their job is to enforce the laws. Not make the laws. If they're not enforcing the laws that are on the books then that is when they are supposed to be held accountable. They're not the ones that we should be blaming for Congress, and us, for not doing their jobs of protecting our environment.
 
GDViking said:
He was not an innocent man, even if fords allegations could not be verified beyond a reasonable doubt, it was clear that be lied at will throughout his testimony.

The GOP had their minds made up before the testimony, it did not matter to them what was said, they were put that lying piece of **** on the bench even if he had confessed right there.

The GOP of old and have said that after the confirmation hearings they would look for someone without as much baggage, and more honorable, and most importantly honest...
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He didn't lie, Ford Did. Justice Kavanaugh was the latest attempt by the left to BORK a Judge they didn't like. They tried it with the honorable Clarence Thomas, they tried it with Kavanaugh.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Wanting the EPA eliminated =/= wanting pollution.

I suppose I should clarify for those that can only think on a linear plane.

I want the EPA's regulatory ability to be eliminated. I do not want their enforcement ability to be eliminated. Usually when someone says that they want the EPA eliminated that is what they're talking about. The elimination of their regulatory ability.

Now, I'm sure you recognize this as you specifically talk about how in your opinion environmental policies should not be handled by self serving politicians. So long as you recognize this, and I can only assume that you do based on your wording, then you know that saying what you did about me wanting to "eliminate the EPA means I would vote for pollution" to be false.

I understand your concern about self serving politicians. But having self serving politicians in office is OUR fault for voting them in and keeping them in. It is OUR duty to make sure that we do not have self serving politicians in office. By advocating that the EPA be allowed to create regulations you are doing the same thing that politicians are doing. Passing the buck. "It's not OUR fault that those politicians are catering to corporations that pollute our environment instead of The People!" and then the politicians say "Well, its not OUR fault that corporations are polluting our environment! The EPA is supposed to be the ones stopping that!" Do you not see that this is what is being done? Everyone is passing the buck.

It is OUR job to hold politicians accountable. And it is Congresses job to legislate. Not the Executive branch. Their job is to enforce the laws. Not make the laws. If they're not enforcing the laws that are on the books then that is when they are supposed to be held accountable. They're not the ones that we should be blaming for Congress, and us, for not doing their jobs of protecting our environment.
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I appreciate your point, however being old enough to have watched the improvement in our environment after Nixon started the EPA I see no reason to fix something that ain't broke.

I have been involved with hunting, fishing and trapping regulations for decades. I have seen first hand here in Wisconsin after our current governor gutted the DNR and handed the reigns to the legislature just what a cluster it has become. I sure as **** do not want to see that on a national level.

Hell Congress can't even get simple **** that is their job done. Maybe when they fix healthcare, pay back our debts, balance the budget, and fix the deficit I may be more open to given them .ore responsibility, but until then I would prefer my environment managed by qualified professionals.

But get back to me when they solve those other pesky problems and then we can talk when they're plate is not so full and they show more signs of capability.

Sorry gotta go cut firewood while I have weather on my side.
 
GDViking said:
I appreciate your point, however being old enough to have watched the improvement in our environment after Nixon started the EPA I see no reason to fix something that ain't broke.

I have been involved with hunting, fishing and trapping regulations for decades. I have seen first hand here in Wisconsin after our current governor gutted the DNR and handed the reigns to the legislature just what a cluster it has become. I sure as **** do not want to see that on a national level.

Hell Congress can't even get simple **** that is their job done. Maybe when they fix healthcare, pay back our debts, balance the budget, and fix the deficit I may be more open to given them .ore responsibility, but until then I would prefer my environment managed by qualified professionals.

But get back to me when they solve those other pesky problems and then we can talk when they're plate is not so full and they show more signs of capability.

Sorry gotta go cut firewood while I have weather on my side.
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You're right, Congress is crap right now. That however, in the end, is OUR fault. We need to do better at electing our officials. So...how do we get OTHER people to recognize this? Even in this thread there are those that are blaming the wrong people.

As for you cutting wood....hope you have a splitter to do it for ya. Doing it the old fashioned way is killer on the joints....though funner. ;) lol
 
Renae said:
He didn't lie, Ford Did. Justice Kavanaugh was the latest attempt by the left to BORK a Judge they didn't like. They tried it with the honorable Clarence Thomas, they tried it with Kavanaugh.
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She never lied he did relentlessly.

FFFF was making fun of his stuttering friend...

Devils triangle is a drinking game...

I have never blacked out, have you?

I LIKE BEER, I LIKE BEER, I LIKE BEER!!!!

I don't know, do you like beer?

These were statements that he made during a congressional hearing to be appointed to the supreme Court.

And you somehow think this entitled lying POS deserves to have a seat on the supreme Court???

This is a dark spot on the GOP and one of the reasons they have earned the label the party of Grabbers...
 
Kal'Stang said:
You're right, Congress is crap right now. That however, in the end, is OUR fault. We need to do better at electing our officials. So...how do we get OTHER people to recognize this? Even in this thread there are those that are blaming the wrong people.

As for you cutting wood....hope you have a splitter to do it for ya. Doing it the old fashioned way is killer on the joints....though funner. ;) lol
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Chainsaw, eight LB splitting maul, and very old bones and back.

I never wish my.boys were still teenagers at home more than this time of year.

A hell if I'm going to wish, I wish I was a teenager...

Edit: just to clarify, my boys are no longer teenagers, they both moved far away and neither has a wood stove, and they never visit this time of year...:lol:
 
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GDViking said:
She never lied he did relentlessly.

FFFF was making fun of his stuttering friend...

Devils triangle is a drinking game...

I have never blacked out, have you?

I LIKE BEER, I LIKE BEER, I LIKE BEER!!!!

I don't know, do you like beer?

These were statements that he made during a congressional hearing to be appointed to the supreme Court.

And you somehow think this entitled lying POS deserves to have a seat on the supreme Court???

This is a dark spot on the GOP and one of the reasons they have earned the label the party of Grabbers...
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Don't know where
Don't know When
Don't know why
Can't remember when I took the lie detector
Can't find anyone who was there
Needs two front doors because afraid of being trapped... oh wait no, that was for a rental space/home office
Afraid to fly, except flies all the time...

Stop, she was full of ****.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Voters Must Reject The Moral Bankruptcy Of Donald Trump’s Republican Party

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It's decision time. Trumps GOP offers constant attacks on our healthcare and preexisting conditions. Tax bonanzas for their wealthy donors. A Cabinet that is awash in corruption. A president that promotes white nationalism, bigotry, divisiveness, fear-mongering, and a record of constant lies. A president that obtains his policy cue's from Fox & Friends and spends more time tweeting and golfing than he does governing. This is a GOP party that is destroying the Environmental Protection Agency ... indeed it's Trump appointed director is a former fossil-fuel company CEO that dreamed of destroying the agency. This Republican Party has willingly conspired to act as Trump enablers for the past two years. They have consistently placed party above country.

We can begin the process of reclaiming America on November 6th. VOTE!
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What nonsense. Look at the Obama Swamp seditious conspiracy and Witch Hunt, based on total lies...if you want "moral bankruptcy"...
 
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