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God and country...a toxic blend

trixare4kids said:
Can you point out the fundamentalist Christians on this forum, please?
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I could give you a list of at least 15 names.

But I dont think it would be according to forum rules.
 
apdst said:
The Soviets banned religion, then murdered 50,000,000+ people.

The Chicoms highly restricted religion. They murdered 50,000,000+ people.

The greatest mass murders in human history have been perpetrated by atheists.
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No, not really. Their religion was worship of the state and cults of personality.

Religion remained but the gods changed.

Duh.
 
apdst said:
What do you mean?
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About the 'judging' part.

Yes, I do commit that sin, altho I try not to.

Sometimes it's not judging...sometimes I do it to illustrate hypocritical or harmful behavior of others so others may be warned or educated.

OTOH, 'judging' could be your middle name...right after "wrong as usual."
 
Lursa said:
About the 'judging' part.

Yes, I do commit that sin, altho I try not to.

Sometimes it's not judging...sometimes I do it to illustrate hypocritical or harmful behavior of others so others may be warned or educated.

OTOH, 'judging' could be your middle name...right after "wrong as usual."
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I was commenting on your judgement of who is an acceptable Christian and who isn't.
 
apdst said:
I was commenting on your judgement of who is an acceptable Christian and who isn't.
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I know.

And I didnt say 'acceptable,' I was referring to their behavior and words that were unChristian and brought shame to the religion.
 
Lursa said:
I know.

And I didnt say 'acceptable,' I was referring to their behavior and words that were unChristian and brought shame to the religion.
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Which brings us back to the "judge not" part that the Bible teaches.
 
apdst said:
Which brings us back to the "judge not" part that the Bible teaches.
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Er, I just acknowledged that. You responded to it.

Are you lost here already?
 
apdst said:
The Soviets banned religion, then murdered 50,000,000+ people.

The Chicoms highly restricted religion. They murdered 50,000,000+ people.

The greatest mass murders in human history have been perpetrated by atheists.
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The STATE was the religion in Stalin's Russia. Try again.
 
MrWonka said:
It's one country, and even in that one country, I'm willing to bet at least 35-40% don't support it. Liberals don't believe that Islam is awesome. Simply that, it's a very big religion, and just like with Christianity there are members of it that are incredibly radical while many others are really not much worse than some Christians.

The problem Liberals have is that while there are plenty of things to criticize about many Muslim extremists any legitimate criticism of Islam by Liberals is used by right-wing Islamophobes to justify all-out war and violence against Islam. Here in America that is sadly the bigger fear. Sharia Law will never take hold in America, but Christian Law and Christians deciding to exterminate Muslims is sadly a real concern.
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Christians exterminating Muslims is a real concern? Since when?
 
MrWonka said:
Which is why Trumpism is starting to look more like a religious cult than a legitimate political party.
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Yea, must be all those jobs, higher wages, better trade deals, efforts to stop illegal immigration and ease tensions in NK that you're talking about. Yea, I've never seen such evil before.
 
D_NATURED said:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...stan-court-overturns-blasphemy-death-sentence

Pakistan recently acquitted a woman who was due to be hanged for blasphemy. The thing is, it had to go all the way to their supreme court. Furthermore, millions of Pakistanis are pissed about her walking free rather than being murdered by the state for something she allegedly said about Islam. Also, a right wing political leader has called for the judges to be murdered, something that is, apparently, NOT illegal in Pakistan.

I'll probably piss off both liberals AND conservatives here for different reasons. The truth, though, is that whenever church/mosque and state are entwined, the result is monstrous. So, I defy any liberal to tell me that Islam is a peaceful religion when several million people in just one country can advocate death for the slightest insult to their faith. And, I defy any conservative here to tell me that Christianity wouldn't be as cruel if the fundamentalists were as well represented here as they are in Pakistan.

Ultimately, I have grave concerns for my species when this sort of religious blood lust is so common. I wonder if, as religious ideas are challenged more and more within the idea free market of secular America and Europe, the distilled religiosity of those who, inexplicably, remain faithful will come to represent a very real threat to not just free speech but the humans who dare to use it as well as the politicians who defend it. Is religion, when unchecked by law, ultimately, an antibody to liberty. It sure seems that way.

Discuss...
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The first words of the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution are: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to which I belong, "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
 
Phys251 said:
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All authoritarian regimes. Religion is what fueled the Crusades, the persecution of the Irish, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials...
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Crusades- 1 million deaths (over 300+ years)

Spanish Inquisition- 3,000-5,000 deaths (over 350 years)

Salem Witch trials- 20 deaths

So, maybe 1,005,000 plus whatever you are referencing as the persecution of the Irish versus at least 100 million killed by the Bolsheviks and Red Chinese and 11 million killed by the Nazis not including the deaths in WWII attributed to their aggression and 6 million killed by the Japanese in China. So, even without that, we're looking at 117 million (in about 50 years) vs a bit over 1 million in over 300 years. Seems you're a tad short.:shock:
 
PragmaticOne said:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to which I belong, "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."
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What about women? Do they have the same privileges within your church?
 
veritas1 said:
Crusades- 1 million deaths (over 300+ years)

Spanish Inquisition- 3,000-5,000 deaths (over 350 years)

Salem Witch trials- 20 deaths

So, maybe 1,005,000 plus whatever you are referencing as the persecution of the Irish versus at least 100 million killed by the Bolsheviks and Red Chinese and 11 million killed by the Nazis not including the deaths in WWII attributed to their aggression and 6 million killed by the Japanese in China. So, even without that, we're looking at 117 million (in about 50 years) vs a bit over 1 million in over 300 years. Seems you're a tad short.:shock:
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What an stupid comparison. None of those people were killed in the name of atheism.

And Hitler was a Catholic, the soldier's belt buckles said "God is with us", so definitely not atheists.
 
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JustHanging said:
What an stupid comparison. None of those people were killed in the name of atheism.

And Hitler was a Catholic, the soldier's belt buckles said "God is with us", so definitely not atheists.
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The point is that secularism/atheism has been much more deadly than religion. The Nazis were out fighting for Catholicism?:lamo
 
veritas1 said:
Crusades- 1 million deaths (over 300+ years)

Spanish Inquisition- 3,000-5,000 deaths (over 350 years)

Salem Witch trials- 20 deaths

So, maybe 1,005,000 plus whatever you are referencing as the persecution of the Irish versus at least 100 million killed by the Bolsheviks and Red Chinese and 11 million killed by the Nazis not including the deaths in WWII attributed to their aggression and 6 million killed by the Japanese in China. So, even without that, we're looking at 117 million (in about 50 years) vs a bit over 1 million in over 300 years. Seems you're a tad short.:shock:
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Interesting--you seem to be pretty nonchalant about those million or so deaths from the Crusades. Maybe you are one of those for whom there is an acceptable level of slaughter?

veritas1 said:
The point is that secularism/atheism has been much more deadly than religion. The Nazis were out fighting for Catholicism?:lamo
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As has clearly been pointed out to you, authoritarianism is the ultimate culprit. And it's a problem regardless of whether religion is involved.
 
Seriously, what is all the fuss, and why discuss anything beyond the fact that when it comes to God and country, the United States of America was founded on the words of the 1st Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
 
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