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The division that exists in the US, and what will be its outcome...

If we break up my lawn will quadruple in size and the stench of morons will be gone. You watch too many antifabration videos. America will upchuck you lefties like bad chicken.
If we break up your lawn will probably get taken by the liberal MA government hahahaha and then you reich wingers will get deported to the trailer park states where you'll share the underside of a porch with some trumpanzee's dogs.
 
If we break up your lawn will probably get taken by the liberal MA government hahahaha and then you reich wingers will get deported to the trailer park states where you'll share the underside of a porch with some trumpanzee's dogs.

I see, and in your fantasy above, how exactly will you be taking my home from me? Do you plan on asking me nicely for it?
 
I think that if those on the left would just calm down, live their lives, stop being so political about everything, minded their own business, and got a real life then most of the civil discourse you see would go away. Their lives are better since Trump won but not being in control of things has really driven them insane. You can't even debate them because they make up facts and lie about reality. It is mostly useless to even try having a discussion to such closed minded people.
 
I see, and in your fantasy above, how exactly will you be taking my home from me? Do you plan on asking me nicely for it?
Are you capable of reading? If the US splits up, Massachusetts is, as you said, a liberal state. They're not going to be tolerant of your kind and will likely run you out the way Southerners ran blacks out of the South. Either that or as your ilk likes to fantasize, you're going to be so deeply mired in taxes that you'll become the victim of a tax foreclosure. Unless they've been spouting bull**** all this time, of course. And if you survive that you're going to be surrounded by liberals and liberal policies that will make MA so unliveable that you'll be doing exactly what a lot of Conservative Californians been doing - moving to a Red state.

That's not too hard to follow, unless you're you of course.
 
I don't share the same desperate need for a united America as you do. When you have a household with domestic violence run rampant is it not better for the safety of all to divorce?

I would prefer the Nation stay while if possible, but if divorce comes I will remain happy living in the Republic of Texas. Just keep in mind that a divorce will not be easy and there would be grief and pain for both sides, I prefer we learn to talk to each other better.
 
I think that if those on the left would just calm down, live their lives, stop being so political about everything, minded their own business, and got a real life then most of the civil discourse you see would go away. Their lives are better since Trump won but not being in control of things has really driven them insane. You can't even debate them because they make up facts and lie about reality. It is mostly useless to even try having a discussion to such closed minded people.
Translation: I think that if those on the left would just calm down, let rich WASP bigots remove women's reproductive rights and keep the school-to-prison pipeline going, throw people in jail for smoking pot, and be quiet while white people murder people of color right and left in the streets, "then most of the civil discourse you see would go away."

Sorry, dude, but we're no longer in the mood to submit to your WASP supremacist culture. Nobody's lives except WASPs are better since Trump stole the White House. Expect things to get worse, until you agree to split up the country and let us live by our culture and values, not yours.

We don't want you values, we will not ever submit to them. Will you EVER get that through your collective skulls?
 
Nobody cares about your feelings in the real world. Stop being so dramatic about every dumb little thing.
 
I would prefer the Nation stay while if possible, but if divorce comes I will remain happy living in the Republic of Texas. Just keep in mind that a divorce will not be easy and there would be grief and pain for both sides, I prefer we learn to talk to each other better.
Submission to WASP Conservative values is an absolute no-go. You willing to live in a world where we flout the hell out of your laws and make enforcing them absolute hell?

As feminists like to say, there won't be enough jails. Nor do you have enough tax dollars to contain this.

If necessary we'll wreck you with dead weight aka going John Galt.

This story does not end with women and POC submitting to your backwards right wing culture.
 
Hello to everyone here on this forum. This is my first post here. I participated in another political forum on another site, but it recently closed down. I have a question that I want to ask for opinions on, so I found this forum and my first post here is to make this thread and ask the question:

What opinions exist here with respect to where all this deep division in the US will lead to? I know that many of these divisions have existed as part of US culture or society for as about as long as the US has existed, but with the Trump administration there appears to be a new depth to it all, especially now that even the media has been dragged into the fray. Trump's declarations that much of the media is "fake news" or the "enemy of the people" has taken the rhetoric to an all new level.

Anyway, I don't think there's any need for me personally to say more here in the OP, as I believe the idea about what I'm asking about is quite clear. The reason that I'm asking the question is that I certainly think that there is reason for concern as to where or what this is going to lead to. However, perhaps some here might just laugh and answer that there's no real reason for concern; that this will all pass and things will calm down soon enough.

20-30 years ago we weren't as divided politically. We were able to accept the winner of an election and not set out to destroy the winner the day after the election. This is new. Although a lot of Republicans set out to ensure Obama became a one term president after his initial election. That too was new at the time, but pales in comparison to what the Democrats are attempting with Trump.

I think about the time both parties began their divide and conquer strategy, pitting groups of voter against each other is when this deep political division began. At least the seeds were sown. It seems today the idea of a political campaign is to get one group of voters to hate another group of voters so they will vote for you. This division is in my opinion caused by our elected leaders and their political parties as each vies to stay in power or to gain power.

Trump is a consequence of what has been building for decades, slowly at first, but picked up enough steam for him to get elected. It didn't help that the Democrats nominated about the only person who could have lost to Trump, he could have been easily avoided.

Concern, yes there is plenty of reasons to be concerned. It used to be in our elections we debated substance, new ideas, possible solutions to our problems, each presented visions of where they wanted to take America. Each party realized the other had the same goal in mind, to keep America secure and prosperous. Only each had different paths to get us there. Today, each party thinks the other is out to destroy America. That the other party has become this nations number one enemy, more than Russia, North Korea, Iran, AQ, ISIS, you name it. We have went from debating substance to negative personal attacks, to muck racking, to name calling, to hate fulled campaigns. Each party it seems is out to destroy the other, if this country get destroyed as a result of that, so be it is their attitude.
 
Submission to WASP Conservative values is an absolute no-go. You willing to live in a world where we flout the hell out of your laws and make enforcing them absolute hell?

As feminists like to say, there won't be enough jails. Nor do you have enough tax dollars to contain this.

If necessary we'll wreck you with dead weight aka going John Galt.

This story does not end with women and POC submitting to your backwards right wing culture.

Clue to the Clueless: I am not a Republican or a Conservative, nice try, try again.....
 
Clue to the Clueless: I am not a Republican or a Conservative, nice try, try again.....
Sorry but that bull**** doesn't fly. You quack like them and walk like them. You even want to live in their stronghold. Go sell your lies to someone else.

No submission to WASP supremacist culture.
 
Sorry but that bull**** doesn't fly. You quack like them and walk like them. You even want to live in their stronghold. Go sell your lies to someone else.

No submission to WASP supremacist culture.

Too clueless to attempt honest discussions with, consider yourself permanently dismissed.
 
Are you capable of reading? If the US splits up, Massachusetts is, as you said, a liberal state. They're not going to be tolerant of your kind and will likely run you out the way Southerners ran blacks out of the South. Either that or as your ilk likes to fantasize, you're going to be so deeply mired in taxes that you'll become the victim of a tax foreclosure. Unless they've been spouting bull**** all this time, of course. And if you survive that you're going to be surrounded by liberals and liberal policies that will make MA so unliveable that you'll be doing exactly what a lot of Conservative Californians been doing - moving to a Red state.

That's not too hard to follow, unless you're you of course.

So your master plan to remove me from my home is to run me out of the south like dems did to blacks ...and if that doesnt work you plan on initiating unfair taxes and hope I cant pay them? Hmmmm thats probably a great plan to imbeciles everywhere.
I love this freudian slip...priceless!!!!
"And if you survive that you're going to be surrounded by liberals and liberal policies that will make MA so unliveable"

At least you acknowledge liberal ideology makes areas unliveable. Just look at cali, syringes and fecal matter on the sidewalks. Mmm that sounds like an oasis.
 
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Too clueless to attempt honest discussions with, consider yourself permanently dismissed.
You're the one who's clueless and uneducated.

And I'll be glad not to read your garbage anymore.
 
So your master plan to remove me from my home is to run me out of the south like dems did to blacks in the south...and if that doesnt work you plan on initiating unfair taxes and hope I cant pay them? Hmmmm thats probably a great plan to imbeciles everywhere.
I love this freudian slip...priceless!!!!
"And if you survive that you're going to be surrounded by liberals and liberal policies that will make MA so unliveable"

At least you acknowledge liberal ideology make areas unliveable. Just look at cali, syringes and fecal matter on the sidewalks. Mmm that sounds like an oasis.
The taxpocalypse is nothing more than a right wing persecution fantasy that we lefties love to mock you for.

And MA won't be unliveable for the masses under liberal policies - but it will be unliveable for right wing mooks. There is a difference.

But it is nice to know you plan on sticking it out in liberal MA and don't plan on living among your kind in their trailer parks with all their garbage and broken down tractors and meth labs. Those meth labs do tend to explode.
 
The taxpocalypse is nothing more than a right wing persecution fantasy that we lefties love to mock you for.

And MA won't be unliveable for the masses under liberal policies - but it will be unliveable for right wing mooks. There is a difference.

But it is nice to know you plan on sticking it out in liberal MA and don't plan on living among your kind in their trailer parks with all their garbage and broken down tractors and meth labs. Those meth labs do tend to explode.

Actually its Ma and cali that have meth labs everywhere. The drugs here in Ma are at epidemic levels. Our ERs are filled daily with heroin addicted trash that your kind loves to coddle. Your once beloved leftist vacation spot cape cod is now a drug infested den of lefties. People drive away from the cape for the weekend now instead of towards it.
 
Actually its Ma and cali that have meth labs everywhere. The drugs here in Ma are at epidemic levels. Our ERs are filled daily with heroin addicted trash that your kind loves to coddle. Your once beloved leftist vacation spot cape cod is now a drug infested den of lefties. People drive away from the cape for the weekend now instead of towards it.
Literally everything you said is wrong. Almost no blue states at all are on the list of top states with meth labs.

Like I said, no wonder you don't want to move to your Red state paradise. They're actual ****hole countries.
 
Zalatex, do you really think California agrees with you? Basically your in a state that's as divided as our nation. If California broke off from the US it would immediately divide once again. The liberal sect would own LA,San Fran and Whatever pinko's would be left in San diago. The vast majority of the land owning gentry would be Over freaking joyed. They'd no longer have to fund the stupidity of the city folk. The CARB board would only apply to the asshats that live in the city and the state would no longer be a bain on the rest of America.
 
Zalatex, do you really think California agrees with you? Basically your in a state that's as divided as our nation. If California broke off from the US it would immediately divide once again. The liberal sect would own LA,San Fran and Whatever pinko's would be left in San diago. The vast majority of the land owning gentry would be Over freaking joyed. They'd no longer have to fund the stupidity of the city folk. The CARB board would only apply to the asshats that live in the city and the state would no longer be a bain on the rest of America.
Conservatives could just leave. And we city folk are funding those ****hole rural areas. Let's start with providing them roads and electricity, the two biggies.

But yes, the entire world could do without the rural isolationist backward knuckle dragger population. Unfortunately resettling the right wing trash offworld is impossible more because of physics than politics.
 
Hard to argue with a lot of that, but what examples of #7 do you have in mind? Are the 'blame the other side' folk noteworthy, or almost as fringe as the perpetrators themselves? Or are the examples instances of "We condemn the violence, but..."?

There's a pretty big gap between #6 and #8 ("At some point the violence will no longer be limited to single extremists") and, as folk like Sceptic Bob and lwf have pointed out, there's a massive inertia against serious destabilization - even a peaceful breakup of the country is hard to imagine, never mind civil war!

I will make an attempt to answer your questions as eloquently as you put them forth, my friend.

The examples of number 7 are just as you say. Just as extreme as the extremists. An example was a thread on here that said, "Thank you Trump for the dead Jews and bombs" or words to that affect. This talk is just as demented as the killer's rhetoric.

Though many do not believe a major war will erupt, I am not among them. Our history has proven we would rather lose a war than admit to a mistake.
There was also a US Senator in 1860 who said he would be able to wipe up all the blood spilled with his handkerchief of a war broke out.
The famous Civil War historian Shelby Foote said someone might make a master's thesis by calculating how many handkerchiefs it would take to wipe up the blood of almost a million people....if you count civilians and the ten year period of killing AFTER the war was over.

Like i said, many may not believe me and appeal to "the better angels of our nature", but that has been tried before and it failed miserably.

There is something else. I will say it now to you because I can sense in your aura you are more sensitive to some things.

The "something else" is a deep feeling I get that can not be explained about some coming dark days.
Yes, i have been a survivalist, but this is different. The deep down feeling I get about the coming dark days are like Russia was during their revolution.
Very few pitched battles of major armies, but instead small unending skirmishes and a general feeling of fear and hunger all over the country.

As an example, a few days ago I finished a jar of some of my favorite fig preserves. As I was going to toss the jar and lid in the trash, I looked at it and said...you know, that lid and jar are completely waterproof and it holds in liquids. It might be needed and life sustaining one day. So I washed it out and put it up in a tub in my storage shed.

I may be an old man when it comes, but when it does it will be horrific with its famine, random persecutions, and social upheaval. I can't put my finger on exactly when but I definitely have a deep down knowledge it definitely WILL happen. The storm clouds are getting darker and darker.

Some survivalists put all their efforts into guns and ammo and not much else. I put my efforts into anything that can HEAL and bring comfort to the injured and hurt.
Whiskey and Vodka have been used medicinally for quite some time.
That fig preserves jar has Vodka in it. My Russian teacher showed me how warm Vodka on a rag and soothe deep down muscle aches.

This is also why I ordered some kratom plants. I just got an email that they all have been shipped.

If you are familiar with my posts, you can know i am not some prepper lunatic or CT theorist.
They go by what the internet tells them.
I am going by what I feel deep down. I would call it that "little voice", but that would be misinterpreted and misunderstood.

There....I hope these answer your most thoughtfully put questions in an equally thoughtful manner.
 
If we break up your lawn will probably get taken by the liberal MA government hahahaha and then you reich wingers will get deported to the trailer park states where you'll share the underside of a porch with some trumpanzee's dogs.

Nice to see you love and respect your fellow citizens in this kind and congenial manner.
 
I would prefer the Nation stay while if possible, but if divorce comes I will remain happy living in the Republic of Texas. Just keep in mind that a divorce will not be easy and there would be grief and pain for both sides, I prefer we learn to talk to each other better.

(giving you a virtual fist pump)
 
Translation: I think that if those on the left would just calm down, let rich WASP bigots remove women's reproductive rights and keep the school-to-prison pipeline going, throw people in jail for smoking pot, and be quiet while white people murder people of color right and left in the streets, "then most of the civil discourse you see would go away."

Sorry, dude, but we're no longer in the mood to submit to your WASP supremacist culture. Nobody's lives except WASPs are better since Trump stole the White House. Expect things to get worse, until you agree to split up the country and let us live by our culture and values, not yours.

We don't want you values, we will not ever submit to them. Will you EVER get that through your collective skulls?

It is easy to who is the 30% of whom wish to PERPETUATE the hate and incivility.
 
Nice to see you love and respect your fellow citizens in this kind and congenial manner.

Extremists, either Left or Right, are easy to spot, they rant and spew hate while calling anyone not in 100% with their delusions the enemy. Most are a complete waste of time on sites such as this and rarely last long because they have little control over their emotional outbursts. Kinda sad when you think about it but I have never seen anyone ever manage to change their wrapped POV. Oh well.
 
Too clueless to attempt honest discussions with, consider yourself permanently dismissed.

Negative adjectives and raw emotion....negative adjectives and raw emotion.

This has always been my best detector of propaganda.

The over use of negative adjectives and raw emotion.

Some recent posts read like a 1950's communist leaflet being plastered on a wall in a third world country.

full of....(you guessed it)....negative adjectives and raw emotion. Lots and lots of negative adjectives and raw emotion.
 
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