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Kanye West

Hawkeye10 said:
Increasingly one is not allowed to function in this society unless we claim to believe the "right" things.

We are all hot for different genetics and style, different core beliefs however are not allowed.

It appears that Kanye has finally been taught.

The NEW DARK AGE is here.
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Candace Owen is a fraud, and a liar. Go to Blexit.com and see what passes for "Inconvenient Truths." She fabricated history, and presented this made up history as "truths" to push her own agenda. At least Kanye had the good sense to disassociate from that person and her bogus 'movement.' His mistake was allowing her to use his name as a PR stunt in the first place.

Has little to nothing to do with 'core beliefs' but a fraud, Candace Owen, using lies to push a political agenda.
 
Kobie said:
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/kanye-west-says-hes-distancing-himself-from-politics



Yep, real suprising to see that grifter Candace Owens' name attached to this thing. She's a BS artist just like the rest of these "young conservatives" like Kirk, Wohl, Posobiec and Cernovich. The real Darkest Timeline for conservatives. Just abject liars with no sense of human decency.
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Black approval of Trump is at an all time high of 40%. Blacks are finally waking up to the way they've been screwed by the Democrats.
 
Bucky said:
That's somewhat racist language to be referring to a black person as a grifter...
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Nope. I think it's more a case of cultural appropriation from Cheetos.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Increasingly one is not allowed to function in this society unless we claim to believe the "right" things.

We are all hot for different genetics and style, different core beliefs however are not allowed.

It appears that Kanye has finally been taught.

The NEW DARK AGE is here.
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Riiiiiiiiight

Let's be clear: This intellectual rigidity is not exclusive to any particular ideology, party or position. E.g. any Republican elected official who is openly pro-choice or pro-gun control would get run out of town on a rail; and any public figure who dares do anything that displeases conservatives or Republicans can expect their email inbox to be flooded with insults and death threats, and to get dragged through the mud.

I find it hilarious that (social) conservatives are all up in arms about intolerance, when they've spent decades ordering people not to be gay, demanding that women stay out of the workforce, demanding that minorities shut up and not fight for their rights, telling artists not to show (let alone make) "offensive" artworks... The hypocrisy is stunning.

As to Kanye? It seems pretty clear that no matter whose "side" he is on, the guy does not seem to be particularly... stable. He also doesn't seem to pay much attention to anyone. Meaning no one "got to him," he's just being his usual narcissistic self.
 
Visbek said:
Riiiiiiiiight

Let's be clear: This intellectual rigidity is not exclusive to any particular ideology, party or position. E.g. any Republican elected official who is openly pro-choice or pro-gun control would get run out of town on a rail; and any public figure who dares do anything that displeases conservatives or Republicans can expect their email inbox to be flooded with insults and death threats, and to get dragged through the mud.

I find it hilarious that (social) conservatives are all up in arms about intolerance, when they've spent decades ordering people not to be gay, demanding that women stay out of the workforce, demanding that minorities shut up and not fight for their rights, telling artists not to show (let alone make) "offensive" artworks... The hypocrisy is stunning.

As to Kanye? It seems pretty clear that no matter whose "side" he is on, the guy does not seem to be particularly... stable. He also doesn't seem to pay much attention to anyone. Meaning no one "got to him," he's just being his usual narcissistic self.
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Right is the first thing.

The second is that I am not a conservative.

The third is the best artists tend to unstable freaks.

Suppressing the artist because they dont conform to the GroupThink is tremendously self destructive.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Right is the first thing.
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Did you miss the sarcasm? Really?


The second is that I am not a conservative.
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Riiiiiiiiight


The third is the best artists tend to unstable freaks.
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Uh... No, that's just an insulting stereotype.

"Unstable freaks" can't handle the pressure of an artistic career. Picasso, Matisse, De Kooning, Johns, Rauschenberg, Warhol, Duchamp, O'Keefe, Christo, Mapplethorpe, Richter, Bourgeois, Freud, Kahlo, Giacometti, Krasner, Goldin, Sherman, Martin, Mehrtu, ... Even the eccentrics are incredibly driven and ambitious. Ultimately, mental instability cripples a career.


Suppressing the artist because they dont conform to the GroupThink is tremendously self destructive.
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Oh, really? Is that why conservatives tried to shut down writers like James Joyce, Henry Miller, Anais Nin, JD Salinger, John Steinbeck, Harper Lee, Alice Walker, Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Ralph Ellison... And that's just the writers. I could be here all day listing a huge range of artists who were subjected to pressures by the right.

Plus, anyone who thinks Kanye is responding to "pressure" is completely clueless about him. Keeping in mind that I am neither a fan nor an expert, and speaking purely informally: He's a raging narcissist who is almost certainly completely enveloped in a cocoon by his entourage. He doesn't care what people say about him, as long as they're talking about him (sound familiar?).

No one is "suppressing him." What happened is that he realized he was getting used by Candace Owens, so he pout-quit politics just like he pout-quits Twitter every six weeks. Chances are he will be back making irrational political statements in a few months.
 
Visbek said:
Did you miss the sarcasm? Really?



Riiiiiiiiight



Uh... No, that's just an insulting stereotype.

"Unstable freaks" can't handle the pressure of an artistic career. Picasso, Matisse, De Kooning, Johns, Rauschenberg, Warhol, Duchamp, O'Keefe, Christo, Mapplethorpe, Richter, Bourgeois, Freud, Kahlo, Giacometti, Krasner, Goldin, Sherman, Martin, Mehrtu, ... Even the eccentrics are incredibly driven and ambitious. Ultimately, mental instability cripples a career.



Oh, really? Is that why conservatives tried to shut down writers like James Joyce, Henry Miller, Anais Nin, JD Salinger, John Steinbeck, Harper Lee, Alice Walker, Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Ralph Ellison... And that's just the writers. I could be here all day listing a huge range of artists who were subjected to pressures by the right.

Plus, anyone who thinks Kanye is responding to "pressure" is completely clueless about him. Keeping in mind that I am neither a fan nor an expert, and speaking purely informally: He's a raging narcissist who is almost certainly completely enveloped in a cocoon by his entourage. He doesn't care what people say about him, as long as they're talking about him (sound familiar?).

No one is "suppressing him." What happened is that he realized he was getting used by Candace Owens, so he pout-quit politics just like he pout-quits Twitter every six weeks. Chances are he will be back making irrational political statements in a few months.
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Your not even knowing that creative types tend to be off kilter is disappointing .

I had you figured as better than that.


BTW: I am not a conservative, I will not answer for them
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Your not even knowing that creative types tend to be off kilter is disappointing .
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Riiiiiiight. It's not like I've read numerous biographies or watched documentaries on a huge range of artists or actually spent time in artists' studios and galleries, and easily recognize a cheap stereotype when I see it.... Oh, wait, I have.

Again, artists -- now more than ever -- need to be highly ambitious, focused, and networked in order to have anything resembling an artistic career. Top tier artists like Koons, Hirst, Murakami, Wei Wei etc run large studios with dozens of assistants; a more modest yet equally prestigious artist will have anywhere from 3 to 10 people on staff. This means you have to pay salaries; pay rent/mortgage on at least one home and a studio; you need to extensively catalog your work; you have to work well with your gallerist; you have to schmooze the collectors; you have to spend lots of time at art fairs.... That's difficult even when you're focused, ambitious and professional; it really doesn't work if you're trashing your career on Twitter every 6 weeks.

l.e. Kanye is the exception. Not the rule.

Let me put this another way. There is a huge difference between an artist being eccentric (like Duchamp, who was deliberately outrageous because he wanted to change society) and an artist who is actually unstable (like Diane Arbus, who committed suicide at age 48; or Hilma af Klint (whose spiritual extremism resulted in her being overlooked for decades).

Unsurprisingly, you offer no actual evidence to support your position. What a surprise.


BTW: I am not a conservative, I will not answer for them
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Uh huh. So, when are you going to accept that intolerance and a demand for conformity is not exclusive to leftists? When was the last time you took conservatives to task for their intolerance and demands for conformity?
 
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