Steve King: Members of Nazi-linked party in Austria ‘would be Republicans’ if they were in US

celticwar17 said:

You have no arguments... You are obviously not addressing my points or my questions. "Your wrong" doesn't cut it dude.... I know it's complicated subject, but it would be nice if you tried.

Nazi's in America tend to vote Republican, because it is perceived that the republican party is more nationalist. But Nazi government policies would have more in common with the democrats than the republicans.

The Nazi's in America would Ideally vote for the social Democrats of the 1930s/40s/50s.... But the American political system changed to where they do not have a party that speaks their views.

The social union parties are what the Nazi's would be interested in... In fact... a lot of those guys used to vote democrat until recently.... until Trump.... Trump won the election because of the Social union guys. Do you understand? Trump actually appealing to leftist is why a lot of Social Nationalists increased their voting.

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celticwar17 said:

Right and Left are economic paradigms. Authoritarian and Libertarian(Liberal) Are social....

The Nazi's were Authoritarian Leftists...

Fascists are leftist.... The Italian socialist party turned into the Fascist party. Fascist are simply socialists that want to be the sole party in government and strong nationalism.


It seems a lot of people belive Right vrs left means... racist vrs. not...
When that is just not true lol...



If we do not socratically agree the definition of what is Right/left Authoritarian/Liberal... Than what does right mean to you?

What Right wing means to me is economic freedom. An example of a Right wing authoritarian would probably be a theocracy with tons of economic freedom, but little social freedoms, similar to the middle east... The Nazi party was not about economic freedom, it was a total government control of the means of production.

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First and foremost, Mussolini was kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party even before the First World War ended, so your claim that it became the fascist party is laughably untrue.

You are aware that there is far outside the right wing “sphere” than just right wing libertarianism....right?

Rogue Valley said:

Steve King: Members of Nazi-linked party in Austria ‘would be Republicans’ if they were in US

Rep. Steve King (R/IA/4th District)



A Republican who openly proclaims his fondness for bigotry and Nazis.

Related: Land O’Lakes, Purina Pull Support for Iowa Congressman Steve King Over Racial Remarks

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The "Nazi-link" is somewhat spurious as, it refers to its founder, from over 60 years ago...


Is it fair to cite the DNC's Ku Klux Klan links, then...which are MUCH MORE RECENT?

Tigerace117 said:

First and foremost, Mussolini was kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party even before the First World War ended, so your claim that it became the fascist party is laughably untrue.

You are aware that there is far outside the right wing “sphere” than just right wing libertarianism....right?

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Fascism is STATEIST = LEFTIST. The only "right wing" aspect of it at all is its nationalist bent.

Read Mussolini's description....it's HIS BABY:

THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM

BENITO MUSSOLINI (1932)



REJECTION OF INDIVIDUALISM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE STATE

Fascism is therefore opposed to all individualistic abstractions based on eighteenth century materialism; and it is opposed to all Jacobinistic utopias and innovations. It does not believe in the possibility of "happiness" on earth as conceived by the economistic literature of the XVIIIth century, and it therefore rejects the theological notion that at some future time the human family will secure a final settlement of all its difficulties. This notion runs counter to experience which teaches that life is in continual flux and in process of evolution. In politics Fascism aims at realism; in practice it desires to deal only with those problems which are the spontaneous product of historic conditions and which find or suggest their own solutions (9). Only by entering in to the process of reality and taking possession of the forces at work within it, can man act on man and on nature (10).

Anti-individualistic,the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State andaccepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those ofthe State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of manas a historic entity (11). It is opposed toclassical liberalism which arose as areaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when theState became the expression of theconscience and will of the people. Liberalism denied the State in thename of the individual; Fascism reasserts therights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual (12). Andif liberty is to he the attribute of living menand not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, thenFascism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the libertyof the State and of the individual withinthe State (13). The Fascist conception of the Stateis all embracing; outside of it no human orspiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thusunderstood, Fascism, is totalitarian,and theFascist State - asynthesis and a unit inclusive of allvalues - interprets, develops, andpotentates the whole life of a people (14). ~




Mussolini - THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM


As I said....STATEISM...which is LEFTISM.

PragmaticOne said:

Hitler was a socialist and Nazi Germany had a socialist economy and a socialist government. They did not have a free market economy. The Nazi Party, like today's leftist Democratic Party here in the United States, proclaimed that they would silence the opposition.

Former Attorney General Eric Holder said, “When they go low, we kick them.”

Congresswoman Maxine Waters said, “If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said, “I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country.”

Senator Cory Booker told protesters to “get up in the face of some congresspeople.”

Hillary Clinton said, “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about.”

Not to mention Senator Ted Cruz and his wife Heidi were hounded out of a restaurant by protesters.

Not to mention protesters banging on the doors of the Supreme Court.

Not to mention Congressman Steve Scalise was critically wounded by a leftist with a sniper rifle at a Republican baseball practice last year.

Not to mention Senator Rand Paul had six ribs broken after being tackled by a leftist neighbor in his yard.

Democrats are well on their way to becoming the Nazi Party.

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So in other words Democrats are nothing like the Nazis.

The Nazis—- like the Republicans seem to be increasingly doing today—- silenced their foes by murdering them.

Words that hurt your feelings are not equivalent to a bomb or a billet. Being yelled at is not even close to being stabbed.

Not to mention I’ve seen at least a half a dozen Trump cultists on this board making excuses for the MAGA bomber.

Grokmaster said:

Fascism is STATEIST = LEFTIST. The only "right wing" aspect of it at all is its nationalist bent.

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Actually, one of fascism’s main principles is totally exterminating their country’s “leftists”, so your claim is rather amusing.

Winston said:

I never called conservatives Nazis, I refuted pragmatic's claims that the Nazi's were socialists. They weren't, they were fascists.

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What you don't understand the American Conservative are Right Wing Libertarians/Authoritarians(They vary).... While European "Conservatives" are Left Wing Authoritarians... in comparison.
Since the Europeans do not have a dynamic like the Right wing in America does, they label the Fascists as right wing. To Europeans, Right wing means authoritarian nationalist views.... as opposed to authoritarian globalist views.


"Right wing" is inherently a liberal position. It a rejection of economic authority. Most left-wing liberals want that authority.

Trying to match American Right wing and European Right is not accurate. That is why the political compass grid website separates Right-Left, by Authoritarian-Liberal.

Tigerace117 said:

Actually, one of fascism’s main principles is totally exterminating their country’s “leftists”, so your claim is rather amusing.

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wtf? please give me some evidence for that...

The fascist party was created from the socialist party in Italy lol.

Hitler(If you want to call the Nazi party fascist, which I'm okay with, but I somewhat disagree, I find their own term National socialist to fit better) was opposed to communists and Lenin'ists because of Russia's influence... and the political party that opposed him was even more leftist than he was.

In Germany you had the choice of National Socialists vrs communists.

celticwar17 said:

What you don't understand the American Conservative are Right Wing Libertarians/Authoritarians(They vary).... While European "Conservatives" are Left Wing Authoritarians... in comparison.
Since the Europeans do not have a dynamic like the Right wing in America does, they label the Fascists as right wing. To Europeans, Right wing means authoritarian nationalist views.... as opposed to authoritarian globalist views.


"Right wing" is inherently a liberal position. It a rejection of economic authority. Most left-wing liberals want that authority.

Trying to match American Right wing and European Right is not accurate. That is why the political compass grid website separates Right-Left, by Authoritarian-Liberal.

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All history professors agree that the Nazis were fascists and that fascism is the far right. Quibble about political grids all you like but, for the purposes of historical discussion, that is kind of useless.

Winston said:

All history professors agree that the Nazis were fascists and that fascism is the far right. Quibble about political grids all you like but, for the purposes of historical discussion, that is kind of useless.

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No... not "All history professors" agree. If you cannot support your position with reasoning and evidence socraticly... you have a useless position. I CAN support my position socraticly with my reasoning, and you have yet to address it whatsoever...

celticwar17 said:

See this is where you demonstrate your ignorance. The Italian Fascists party arose out of it's socialist party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_Revolutionary_Party just read this wiki for God's sake lol...

Leftism and Nationalism are not mutually exclusive.... you can be very leftist AND Nationalist.... Mussulini was the HEAD of the freaking socialist party in Italy... be he had to become more Nationalist as well in order to win...
Thus was birthed Facism: A blend of Both Nationalism and Socialism.... Huh, does that ring a bell? National socialismm..... hmmmm.... Na....S......NAZI!!!


You did not answer the question on what your definition of Right wing means... You gave me your definition of what Fascism means(Which could be debated because racial superiority was not a large part in Mussulini's parties agenda... and you we conveniently skipping fascism economic policies.). A really good example of fascist state in today's modern climate is China, China is a fascist state.

First give me your definiton what right wing means, and we can both see if Fascism fits under such definition.

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Historically, and contemporaily, most of the Fascists who have ever existed have been far-Left-wing politically.

The name of Fascism comes from Fascia, or bundles of bound sticks, which was symbols to represent Italian Collectivism.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fascist_Party



Hitler was an intolerant, violent, Far-Leftie.



99.999% of Fasicsts in America are Far-Left in 2018, most of them belong to Antifa.








Most of the violent, intolerant people in 2018 America are Far-Leftists.

Nobody HATES like the Lefties HATE!





But its okay, because they only hate 56% of the voters....


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celticwar17 said:

No... not "All history professors" agree. If you cannot support your position with reasoning and evidence socraticly... you have a useless position. I CAN support my position socraticly with my reasoning, and you have yet to address it whatsoever...

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I already gave this thread a couple links that show how wrong you "NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS" lot are. For chrissakes..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and practices associated with the Nazi Party – officially the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP) – in Nazi Germany, and of other far-right groups with similar aims.

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Nazism is a form of fascism...

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the party was renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party – to attract workers away from left-wing parties such as the Social Democrats (SPD) and the Communists (KPD) –

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Rogue Valley said:

Steve King: Members of Nazi-linked party in Austria ‘would be Republicans’ if they were in US

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Well give that U.S. neo-Nazis ("fine people" that they are!) have hitched their wagons to the GOP, file this one under "duh."

Tigerace117 said:

Actually, one of fascism’s main principles is totally exterminating their country’s “leftists”, so your claim is rather amusing.

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Leftists have killed each other since leftism's inception, starting with Lenin having Trotsky butchered. Your ignorance of this fact is rather amusing.

Tigerace117 said:

Actually, one of fascism’s main principles is totally exterminating their country’s “leftists”, so your claim is rather amusing.

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I provided the ACTUAL PRINCIPLES of Fascism, per MUSSOLINI, himself. in this thread...read it.

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Winston said:

I already gave this thread a couple links that show how wrong you "NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS" lot are. For chrissakes..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

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Oh look, more Far-Leftie American Nazi Racist haters.... how droll.

Too bad, you're rejected, Trump Won, Hillary Lost, you lose, and will keep on losing, until you stop hating American Working Whites.

You will lose, until you realize it is "OKAY to be White!" and it is "Okay to have White-Pride", just like it is "Okay to have Black-Pride".




Meh... You made your bed, now lie in it... Leftie Racist pigs.



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Kurmugeon said:

Oh look, more Far-Leftie American Nazi Racist haters.... how droll.

Too bad, you're rejected, Trump, you lose, and will keep on losing, until you stop hating American Working Whites.

Meh... You made your bed, now lie in it... Leftie Racist pigs.

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You ever wake up in the morning and think to yourself, "How could I be so wrong about so much?"

celticwar17 said:

wtf? please give me some evidence for that...

The fascist party was created from the socialist party in Italy lol.

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Lol, no.....it really wasn’t.

Mussolini was expelled from the Italian Socialist Party even before the end of World War One due to his advocacy for Italian entry into said conflict.

Here’s a direct quote about what happened from the Inspector General of Public Security in Milan

“Then on the fifteenth of November [1914], thereafter, he initiated publication of the newspaper Il Popolo d'Italia, in which he supported – in sharp contrast to Avanti! and amid bitter polemics against that newspaper and its chief backers – the thesis of Italian intervention in the war against the militarism of the Central Empires. For this reason he was accused of moral and political unworthiness and the party thereupon decided to expel him ...”

So no, claiming that a party which kicked him out more than a decade before he took power in Italy “became the Fascist Party” is utterly laughable.

His earliest followers were “The founders of the paramilitary groups were nationalist intellectuals, former army officers and young landowners opposing peasants' and country labourers' unions.“

And Mussolini explicitly stated fascism opposed socialism and left wing ideologies.

“Mussolini saw fascism as opposing socialism and left-wing ideologies: "If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century".[196]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_and_ideology
One major example of this was an effort to break the power of left wing groups in Turin in 1922

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_Turin_massacre

Winston said:

I already gave this thread a couple links that show how wrong you "NAZIS ARE SOCIALISTS" lot are. For chrissakes..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

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What is a socialist to you?

And I'll let you know if the Nazi's fullfill the definition. I for sure know the dictionary definition.... and I can tell you how they fit the bill to the T.

The Nazi's are considered right wing in Europe... because of how party structures are in Europe.

Winston said:

You ever wake up in the morning and think to yourself, "How could I be so wrong about so much?"

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Clearly, I do not need too... that's your role.


Most American Voters are working class whites. They are the single largest voting demographic group, and will continue to be so, for at least the next 60 years.

Most working class White Americans think it is just fine to take Pride in being what they are... White.

And then there is the American, wacko-doodle Far-Lefties, who:




And they think that just because they have screamed and slavered that White-Pride is the same thing as White-Supremacy, that every else in the country accepts that assessment, and they've drunk so much of their own Anti-White Racial Hatred poisoned cool-aid, they believe the lie themselves, and think everyone else is "With them" in their hatred.

Working Whites... Were NOT with you!

We think White-Pride, like Black-Pride, is just fine!

Get over it!

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Grokmaster said:

I provided the ACTUAL PRINCIPLES of Fascism, per MUSSOLINI, himself. in this thread...read it.

Post #29.

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Lol literally none of that is evidence that fascism was “leftist”. The closest it gets is the crap about “anti-individualism” which is a common theme running through the far right.....and therefore not evidence of “leftism” in the slightest.

BTW, Far-Leftie, Fascist, Anti-white, hate filled, maggots...

You can't win National Elections, without the Working White Vote!

Have a nice day!

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celticwar17 said:

What is a socialist to you?

And I'll let you know if the Nazi's fullfill the definition.

The Nazi's are considered right wing in Europe... because of how party structures are in Europe.

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In classical Marxism, socialism is the intermediate stage. After the overthrow of capitalism but, before the actualization of communism. A socialist's mission is to abolish the state entirely into communism. Communism meaning a stateless and classless society. The way this has been tried is through a "dictatorship of the proletariat". However, the ultimate goal is no dictatorship whatsoever and rather a "withering away of the state". A prominent example of this part of the Marxist doctrine is in Marxist-Leninism's use of the vanguard state to represent the proletariat.

Grokmaster said:

Leftists have killed each other since leftism's inception, starting with Lenin having Trotsky butchered. Your ignorance of this fact is rather amusing.

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Lol unlike “Stalin butchering Trotsky” the far right actively tries to wipe out the entirety of “leftists”; not just the leadership.

Fascist IS as Fascist Does!:





















Racist IS as Racist Does too!


I don't see anyone calling for people of color to be killed.


I see, hear and read of lots of American Lefties calling for Whites to be killed, and demanding White-Genocide!


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