It seems the Trump cultists still believe the bombs were from the Dems

noonereal said:

I am not a tRumpet so I understand the insanity of the wild claims Trump makes. This is where you struggle.

let's try this. Why don't you list 3 0r 4 of his "stunning" successes.

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code1211 said:

You seem to measure from one start point on one thing and from another on another thing.

Is there a reason why you're cherry picking data to support your fallacies?

On Election Day 2016, the world changed. It has continued to change ever since. Trump is an interesting president in terms of what he is doing to effect the change he desires.

The current trade issues he is both creating and facing have been avoided like the plague by every predecessor despite needing to be addressed in the past.

Trump has identified the problem, a solution, the process to remedy and the steps needed to make the change.

This is how a businessman approaches things. His predecessors identified the problem as getting re-elected and worked mightily to get that accomplished.

Their plans and solutions had nothing to do with what they said publicly they were trying to do. One example: they all said they would move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and none ever did so. Trump did so.

Keep watching. Trump has also shown that he will change his tactics and plan as the situation develops. The result will likely be that we have a new trade deal with China that is in line with international trade ethics.

By the way, Forbes is not right wing. Forbes is real world. Values of real world things rise and fall and they do so in measurable and documented ways. That you mistake "real world" for "right wing" is revealing.

How do you feel about Major League Baseball stats? Are these also right wing?

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code1211 said:

Every point you posted was your opinion based on lies and propaganda.

How does one address that? I dismissed all of it as a baseless set of lies with no foundation in fact.

What else can I do?

Post some facts and we can discuss.

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code1211 said:

Every point you posted was your opinion based on lies and propaganda.

How does one address that? I dismissed all of it as a baseless set of lies with no foundation in fact.

What else can I do?

Post some facts and we can discuss.

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code1211 said:

1. North Korea stopped launching missiles into the Sea of Japan and has entered into serious talks to re-unify Korea.
2. 50 Arab States have united to contain and combat Islamic Terror.
3. The tax deal was passed reducing the tax rates for ALL AMERICANS and the revenues to the US Treasury increased.

I would have thought you'd heard of these things. They were even reported on CNN and CBS. The reports were ALWAYS followed by a disclaimer saying that Trump is a jerk, but they were reported.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/federal-receipt-and-outlay-summary

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Luckyone said:

Lets see how many of my points are lies.

1) You said that journalists should be more accurate and I said that it should start with Trump because he lies so much. Are you saying that Trump does not lie and he is accurate?
2) you said adherence to laws should occur and I said that Trump tried to bypass the laws by trying to build a hotel in Russia while there were sanctions. Are you saying he did not try to do that?
3) you said "equality under the law" and I said that Trump has inequality in his administration as he only has token blacks and women. Are you saying he has equality in his administration?
4) you said "greater civility in political discussions and I said the Trump is the most dis-civil person in the world. Are you saying that Trump is politically correct?
5) you said "greater responsibility in the statements from politicians" and I said that what the Republicans did with Garland was totally different than what they did with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. Are you saying the Republicans were fair in this?
6) you said lower taxes for all Americans and I said that lower taxes means less money for infrastructure, police, judges, or cutting Medicare Medicaid, and Social Security. Are you saying that we can cut taxes and not cut spending?
7) you said better international deals for us and I said that it was not something we can do much about given that trade means 2 parties must agree. Are you saying that trade can be good if we try to force other nations to agree?
8) you said greater freedom and less regulations and I said that Trump is trying to muzzle the journalists. Are you saying he is not trying to muzzle the journalists?
9) you said less exclusion and more inclusion for all and I said that he was not involving the Democrats in his decisions because he had the Senate and the House already on his side and that they were forcing regulations on them without having them involved. Are you saying that he is involving the Democrats in his decisions. Have any of his decisions involved Democratic values and wants?

If you are going to make such a ridiculous statement as saying that all my points are lies, prove it with fact. Show me that each and every single one of my statements is a lie and why.

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Luckyone said:

Money, money, money and more money. How much is too much, or is too much a never.

In looking at your answers, it is evident what you value (money) and it speaks volumes as to what kind of a person you are (no value for morals, ethics, principles, or humanity).

1) GDP is up. Not necessarily.........During Obama's presidency, GDP came out 3 times higher than the best so far under Trump. Obama had 3 months of numbers at 4.9%, at 5.1% and 4.7%. Trump has had 1 month at 4.1% and this month at 3.5% so the GDP is not yet something to crow about.
2) Employment is up but then again unemployment has gone down from 4.3% to 3.7% but Obama took it down from 9.1% to 4.3%, so what has happened under Trump is not a big deal.
3) Tax rates are down but the deficit and the debt are way up. One is a positive and the other is a negative. In addition, it was not Trump's doing, it was the doing of the Republican Congress as they were the ones that passed it without the help of Trump. Trump does not get the credit for this.
4) Personal wealth is up by 9 Trillion dollars? That is a statement that Trump made but that has not been backed up by anyone else and no explanation as to how that figure was arrived at has been given. Nonetheless, if that number is correct, most of that money (87%) went to the wealthy. In addition, the Trade War has made U.S. companies lose a lot of money so far (Ford alone about $1 trillion) so that was not put into the equation
5) International cooperation improved? Don't make me laugh. Our previous allies think we are the laughingstock of the world and are no longer cooperating with us as before.
6) Korea talking about unifying. Words are cheap and Kim Jung un uses words to his benefit. This is not a plus that can yet be given to Trump or anyone else.
7) Russia hasn't invaded any countries yet? Don't make me laugh. Russia has taken over the United States without firing a single bullet.
8) Terror and on and on and on. We have had as much terror now as we had before (no increase or decrease) so now kudos to Trump.

On the other side of the coin

1) there is more hate among us than ever before
2) there is more disunity among us than ever before
3) there is more risk now to our security than ever before because of the dis-function in the White House
4) there is less health coverage than before
5) our system of Justice is now working less

The damage that Trump has caused versus the benefits makes Trumps accomplishments null and void and even then the accomplishments are all basically about economics and money.

Granted, that is all that is important to you so you see Trump as a hero but to the rest of the United States that values morals, ethics, principles and humanity more than money, he is the Devil.

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noonereal said:

The ignorance in this question is appalling.

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noonereal said:

If you were my kid....

Listen and listen good. Al the stuff Trump is "fixing" was NEVER BROKEN. Get it?

Post WW2 has been the greatest economic times the world has ever know here in the USA.

Along comes an orange clown and claims our exceptional standard of living is terrible. The greedy and failed run to him in agreement. (yes, that is TRump's base, the greedy and failed)

These agreements were all broken so Trump could get his cut. It's how the political world works. Always has. This is exactly what Trump was gonna fix. Recall? The swamp.

We have simply never had someone so brazen before. Someone willing to put the country at risk for personal greed.

He makes old Joe Kennedy look like an amateur.

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code1211 said:

1. Obama is the first UD President to have never presided over a fiscal year of 3% or greater GDP Growth. Considering the hole he started in, most would think this to have been impossible to avoid, but he was equal to the task.

2. So employment is the best ever under Trump, but trump has nothing to do with it. Okay...

3. So the tax deal got done as Trump promised it would, but Trump had nothing to do with it. Okay...

4. Personal wealth is way up as a result of the Stock Markets sky rocketing. Literally hundreds of all time record closes between all of the indexes, but Trump had nothing to do with it. Okay...

5. Trump is demanding that the riders of the NATO gravy train pay their fir share. I guess I haven't noticed anyone pulling out of NATO, SEATO or any of the rest. Poland seemed pretty happy to be getting those missiles that Obama denied them.

6. North Korea is talking and walking like they want to be allowed into community of nations under the guidance of Trump, but Trump had nothing to do with it. Okay...

7. Russia has stopped it's open aggression in the face of a strong leader in the person of Donal J. Trump, but trump had nothing to do with it. Okay...

8. Trump called and led a conference of more than 50 Arab States that agreed to contain and combat islamic terror, but Trump had nothing to do with it. Okay...

The last 5 points are an amazing blindly ignorant regurgitation of propaganda.

Did you catch the pronouncement by Biden on the need to dial back the language of hate and then pivoted in the same sentence to attack Trump. This is hilarious. Hypocrisy out of both sides of his mouth. How about mad Max exhorting the attacks of anyone she disagrees with? How about Louis Farrakhan comparing the extermination of Jews to the extermination of termites. Democrats are and have been for some time the party of hate and division.

The job of government is to create and maintain a place where people can prosper. I don't know a better way to measure prosperity than measuring prosperity. Do you?

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Luckyone said:

Lets see how many of my points are lies.

1) You said that journalists should be more accurate and I said that it should start with Trump because he lies so much. Are you saying that Trump does not lie and he is accurate?
2) you said adherence to laws should occur and I said that Trump tried to bypass the laws by trying to build a hotel in Russia while there were sanctions. Are you saying he did not try to do that?
3) you said "equality under the law" and I said that Trump has inequality in his administration as he only has token blacks and women. Are you saying he has equality in his administration?
4) you said "greater civility in political discussions and I said the Trump is the most dis-civil person in the world. Are you saying that Trump is politically correct?
5) you said "greater responsibility in the statements from politicians" and I said that what the Republicans did with Garland was totally different than what they did with Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. Are you saying the Republicans were fair in this?
6) you said lower taxes for all Americans and I said that lower taxes means less money for infrastructure, police, judges, or cutting Medicare Medicaid, and Social Security. Are you saying that we can cut taxes and not cut spending?
7) you said better international deals for us and I said that it was not something we can do much about given that trade means 2 parties must agree. Are you saying that trade can be good if we try to force other nations to agree?
8) you said greater freedom and less regulations and I said that Trump is trying to muzzle the journalists. Are you saying he is not trying to muzzle the journalists?
9) you said less exclusion and more inclusion for all and I said that he was not involving the Democrats in his decisions because he had the Senate and the House already on his side and that they were forcing regulations on them without having them involved. Are you saying that he is involving the Democrats in his decisions. Have any of his decisions involved Democratic values and wants?

If you are going to make such a ridiculous statement as saying that all my points are lies, prove it with fact. Show me that each and every single one of my statements is a lie and why.

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noonereal said:

An absolutely stunning post. Honestly, sickening.

This can come to no good conclusion.

What a shame. This country was truly great.

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noonereal said:

I started to answer and realized this is just science fiction.

I will leave this ridiculous bastardization of fact thread and just say that the blood in the streets is on your head.

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code1211 said:

Let's just take the first point.

I said that Trump has said that Journalists should be more accurate. Journalists "report" that Trump says that a free press is the enemy of the people. What Trump is saying is that FAKE NEWS is the enemy of the people.

It is revealing that our esteemed fourth estate does not recognize a difference between fake news and a free press. This should tell us all something.

You, apparently are also free of any differentiation between these two concepts.

Now , on to your ridiculous idea that a person who is trying to sell a particular course of action is to be held to the same standards as people who are tasked to report what is happening.

Trump is an advocate for a particular course of action. It is expected of folks in his line of work to include some ideas in in and include some ideas out.

In WW2, FDR concentrated on the value of the Russians as a strong and needed ally in the fight against Nazism. The idea that they were savage killers of their own people was pretty much excluded. Get the idea on this?

An advocate advocates. A reporter reports. However, our reporters seem to have lost their way in giving about 90+% negative coverage to Trump. The weak minded are deceived by this coverage thinking that the journalists are ethical.

Sadly, they are not. they are advocates and should be embarrassed by their lack of professionalism and ethics. They are not. In truth they are proud to be biased propagandists.

It's an inconvenient truth that they are both aware of this and are lying to conceal their intentions and tactics.

https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/ex...the-media-leads-to-increased-approval-rating/

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/study-90-networks-trump-coverage-negative-2017

https://ntknetwork.com/study-over-90-of-the-medias-coverage-of-donald-trump-is-negative/

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Luckyone said:

You are not addressing my points but simply coming back with things that you believe Trump has done. Why don't you address my points. Does Trump lie or not? Is he politically correct or not? has he involved the Democrats in his decisions or not? Does he have more than 1 Blacks and women in his administration or not. Has he tried to bypass the laws or not.

You are not addressing the questions, you are just postulating. The question is also not about Obama but about Trump alone. Comparisons are not what is being asked.

You can't accept anything that is fact and stares you in the face can you? This is not about Truth but about saying what you like about Trump. The negatives ignored totally.

What are you going to do when these truths start hitting you in the face, ignore them? That is not a great solution when the debt that is being raised comes to your door and asks you to pay it. This is not a great solution when more than half of the population is suffering and they rise up to change it and you are representing the side that refuses to see them and their wants. Isn't that what you Republicans have been complaining about for many years? Now you are doing the same as you were complaining about, meaning that you are no better than the ones that were here before. Just new people taking advantage of the swamp.

My gosh, the hypocrisy in you is overwhelming. God help you because it is certainly evident that you are not going to be able to help yourself or your family. Mother nature and reality always win in the end.

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Luckyone said:

Code, who is the person calling FAKE news Fake? It is Trump. News and newsmen by the very nature that they are trying to report each and every instance of an issue will sometimes makes mistakes as people are human. Nonetheless, this is NOT fake news, just an error in reporting. Fake news suggests a desire to report fake news and if you can show me one single instance where a reputable news organization tried to give Fake news on purpose I will give you the point.

Most of what is reported about Trump is negative to Trump so by nature and with his super ego, he is going to say it is Fake News. Nonetheless, for every 1 error that has been made there are more than 100 truths about Trump and that is what he hates. He does not want to be hated. Unfortunately what he actually does in countless of occasions is hateful. As such, he calls it Fake News but it is not fake, it is just disturbing, especially to him and he is the main one calling Fake news fake.

95 out of 100 people will call news fake if it disparages them in any way. Perfect example is Roy Moore that was proven that he molested girls under 18 when he was younger and he said it is all Fake News. Like that, I can show you a lot of people that did something wrong and called it Fake News. Trump himself has been accused of sexually molesting women and he has denied it all. By the same token and in his own words he stated that he could do anything he wanted to them.

You need to realize who is calling news fake. Is it someone that has something to hide? If he does, he will always call fake news fake. It goes with the territory. Look at yourself, you are incapable of agreeing to something that is clearly true. You are the first one calling my points fake and yet they are not.

Wake up, you are acting like a patsy and a dupe.

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noonereal said:

that is called offering TRUTH. Perspective.

If he wants to be treated like Ray-Gun, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obie,.... he needs to act as they did.

If he wants to divide, lie, make things up, incite, sell out the nation, put himself ahead of country, grab *****, **** sloppy porn stars... then we will have the media to thank for not allowing this to go unchallenged.

I never thought twice about teh main stream media in my life until this monster came around. Now I revere them and what they do. You should too.

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noonereal said:

But the simplicity of man is astounding in not seeing or admitting this.

Folks really believe the real media is dishonest and an agent of the DNC as Fox is of the GOP.

People are such emotional messes. It is amazing man has gotten this far with so many Trumpet like people around throughout history.

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