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Can We Stop?

Jetboogieman said:
This is a Jetboogieman PSA:

Can we stop please.

Can we stop trying to say:

"The Left are violent"

Or

"The Right are violent".

Can we agree people are violent in general and commit illegal violent acts for all sorts of reasons, but that no one side has a monopoly on violence, or harassment, or any other deplorable form of attack on people, physical or non-physical.

There are terrible right wing trolls and left wing trolls on the internet that do all sorts of horrible things to all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

No side of the political aisle doesn't have these bad actors that do these bad things and neither should the entire "right" or the entire "left" have to take responsibility for an individuals actions.

Yes there are some circumstances in which a political figure who has directly encouraged certain actions should bear some level of blame certainly, but there's alot of those accusations being thrown around without much evidence to back it up.

Anyway, please stop this bull****, it's really, really, really dumb.
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yes, in my "ridiculous arguments' thread, one of the items was this very issue.

Thank you.
 
Mycroft said:
Not true.

The Portland Mayor has instructed his police to allow Antifa free reign in his city. (that Mayor is a leftist) That's his choice.

It was the same in San Diego last year when Antifa was allowed to destroy property and assault peaceful citizens at will.

Those leftist leaders have the full force of their own law enforcement at their disposal...they have the ability to control Antifa. But they choose not to.
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Enforcing or not enforcing laws against certain activities is not control over Antifa.
 
Acadia said:
They can 100% condemn Antifa in no uncertain terms. Instead they double down.
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Condemning a thing is not at all the same thing as controlling it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
This is a Jetboogieman PSA:

Can we stop please.

Can we stop trying to say:

"The Left are violent"

Or

"The Right are violent".

Can we agree people are violent in general and commit illegal violent acts for all sorts of reasons, but that no one side has a monopoly on violence, or harassment, or any other deplorable form of attack on people, physical or non-physical.

There are terrible right wing trolls and left wing trolls on the internet that do all sorts of horrible things to all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

No side of the political aisle doesn't have these bad actors that do these bad things and neither should the entire "right" or the entire "left" have to take responsibility for an individuals actions.

Yes there are some circumstances in which a political figure who has directly encouraged certain actions should bear some level of blame certainly, but there's alot of those accusations being thrown around without much evidence to back it up.

Anyway, please stop this bull****, it's really, really, really dumb.
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I second this. Let's also stop wasting our breath with arguments about who "started it." We don't need to agree which side is/was the aggressor. Let's all just operate from the presumption that WE started it, and we can also end it.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Them too.

When was the last time Trump spoke positively about the contributions of immigrants?
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That's a big goalpost move from "drums up fear and resentment", when is the last time he did that about legal immigrants? When has he done that ever?

Them too? Bull****.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's not about trying anything, it's about the fact that no one side is "The peaceful one" and the other side is "The Violent One".

That's nonsense, it's not true and its stupid.
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There are fringe elements on both sides, yes. Sometimes they are violent, true.

But that still leaves the calls for confrontation from a particular Democrat congresswoman, and calls for incivility from a former Sec of State, and calls for physical assault from a former AG to content with.

Acknowledged that a presidential candidate did traffic in a similar call.

But I'm with you, it is now time for all political leaders to tone down their rhetoric, to cease using rhetoric language that likens their political opponents to "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic - you name it." simply because they have differing political opinions.
 
The Mark said:
Enforcing or not enforcing laws against certain activities is not control over Antifa.
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Oh. Well, it would be a good first step in minimizing their violent actions.
 
Jetboogieman said:
This is a Jetboogieman PSA:

Can we stop please.

Can we stop trying to say:

"The Left are violent"

Or

"The Right are violent".

Can we agree people are violent in general and commit illegal violent acts for all sorts of reasons, but that no one side has a monopoly on violence, or harassment, or any other deplorable form of attack on people, physical or non-physical.

There are terrible right wing trolls and left wing trolls on the internet that do all sorts of horrible things to all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

No side of the political aisle doesn't have these bad actors that do these bad things and neither should the entire "right" or the entire "left" have to take responsibility for an individuals actions.

Yes there are some circumstances in which a political figure who has directly encouraged certain actions should bear some level of blame certainly, but there's alot of those accusations being thrown around without much evidence to back it up.

Anyway, please stop this bull****, it's really, really, really dumb.
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It is up to Trump to stop this nonsense. He is the leader of the country and until he starts acting like that this will not stop.
 
Mycroft said:
Oh. Well, it would be a good first step in minimizing their violent actions.
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Depending on whether they commit any in that area, and if the police are able to charge them with anything justly, yes.
 
The Mark said:
Condemning a thing is not at all the same thing as controlling it.
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If these so-called leaders and officials are that impudent, they need to not be in office.
 
Mycroft said:
Let me know when you get Antifa to stop.
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The left won't claim that one, but will expect you, the collective right, to stop white supremacy/alt.right.
 
Carleen said:
It is up to Trump to stop this nonsense. He is the leader of the country and until he starts acting like that this will not stop.
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Oh puleeeze... Everyone is at fault here on both sides of the aisle for the nonsense, but mostly the media who makes their living creating partisan division.
 
The Mark said:
Depending on whether they commit any in that area, and if the police are able to charge them with anything justly, yes.
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Do you need examples of Antifa being allowed to run wild...being allowed to commit violence against people and their property...and, of the police standing by and letting it happen?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Can you say that America is breaking down like this because our leadership has failed....that this did not have to happen....that we used to be better?
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I think society has broken down but not because of politicians. It's broken down for lots of reasons, politics is just one part of it.
Not that I want to get rid of the Internet or regulate the 24-7 news cycle, I don't.
It's just made it easier for our politics to become a seedy reality show.
 
Carleen said:
It is up to Trump to stop this nonsense. He is the leader of the country and until he starts acting like that this will not stop.
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He is not the leader of the left. He is not in charge of law enforcement in cities.

Do you want him to be? I'm sure he is quite capable of stopping violence if you give him that power.

I don't want to give him that power. I'd rather the leftists in power in those cities take responsibility instead of blaming Trump for something he cannot do.
 
The Mark said:
Did he call for it, or was it his teleprompter?
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He's damned if he does, and he's damned if he doesn't.

What will make you happy? You want him to call for civility and unity and then you condemn him for calling for civility and unity.
Make up your mind.
 
Mycroft said:
Do you need examples of Antifa being allowed to run wild...being allowed to commit violence against people and their property...and, of the police standing by and letting it happen?
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Not sure how that would apply.

What would be the purpose of this information, directed at me?
 
trixare4kids said:
He's damned if he does, and he's damned if he doesn't.

What will make you happy? You want him to call for civility and unity and then you condemn him for calling for civility and unity.
Make up your mind.
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Actually, I wanted him to not do what he's done, but that's out.

It was a serious question, because Trump calling for civility and unity is nigh-impossible unless he's reading a prompter.
 
Jetboogieman said:
This is a Jetboogieman PSA:

Can we stop please.

Can we stop trying to say:

"The Left are violent"

Or

"The Right are violent".

Can we agree people are violent in general and commit illegal violent acts for all sorts of reasons, but that no one side has a monopoly on violence, or harassment, or any other deplorable form of attack on people, physical or non-physical.

There are terrible right wing trolls and left wing trolls on the internet that do all sorts of horrible things to all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.

No side of the political aisle doesn't have these bad actors that do these bad things and neither should the entire "right" or the entire "left" have to take responsibility for an individuals actions.

Yes there are some circumstances in which a political figure who has directly encouraged certain actions should bear some level of blame certainly, but there's alot of those accusations being thrown around without much evidence to back it up.

Anyway, please stop this bull****, it's really, really, really dumb.
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Normal people know this basic common sense and your want and attempt is a good one . . its a right one . . but many nutters and dishonest triggered snowflakes and retarded extremists will never just be honest and admit stuff like you want........its a sad fact but a fact none the less . . all one will have to do is let your thread develop and scroll through it and youll see all the people that go against what you are saying and they will all accurately fit that list. It will be most of all the known nutters that normal posters right left and center make fun of. It will be the most nutty and extremists that immediately do what you are asking them not to do. Great thought but the loons right and left will never do it.
 
DamnYankee said:
DJT condemned the acts and what did the leftists elites do?

Blamed him.

Leftists aren't interested in civility.
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That's a great example of the partisanship that Jetboogyman was describing. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but ascribing lack of civility to just one "side" is exactly what was being decried in the OP.
 
The Mark said:
Actually, I wanted him to not do what he's done, but that's out.

It was a serious question, because Trump calling for civility and unity is nigh-impossible unless he's reading a prompter.
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He's condemned the acts.
He is speaking in WI. right now about bringing the responsible parties to justice, (the crowd cheers because they don't want this happening to our country either), and this is really the very best you can do?

You are a partisan before an American in theory.... and you are part of the problem.
9-11 brought this country together. Take some time out of your day, and try to stand here with me as an American.

Stop blaming... You guys want to keep blaming, note, you will get it dished back to you tenfold
 
Barnacle said:
Why is he supposed to single out immigrants?!?
Isn't the left's mantra that we are all immigrants/descendants of immigrants ... legal immigrants ...
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1. Balance. Surely there must be something good Trump can say about (illegal and legal) Mexican immigrants. After all, they were involved in the construction of many of his buildings, grounds keeping, housekeeping, etc..
2. The left’s mantra is probably “we gotta get the idiot hater out of the White House”. Just a guess. :shrug:

Spartacus FPV said:
That's a big goalpost move from "drums up fear and resentment", when is the last time he did that about legal immigrants? When has he done that ever?
Them too? Bull****.
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Looks like Spartacus needs glasses and/or reading comprehension classes. Or did you just deliberately paraphrase out of order and context?
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trixare4kids said:
He's condemned the acts.
He is speaking in WI. right now about bringing the responsible parties to justice, (the crowd cheers because they don't want this happening to our country either), and this is really the very best you can do?

You are a partisan before an American in theory.... and you are part of the problem.
9-11 brought this country together. Take some time out of your day, and try to stand here with me as an American.

Stop blaming... You guys want to keep blaming, note, you will get it dished back to you tenfold
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I'm not blaming Trump, I'm just saying that it seems unlikely he would speak that way on his own.

And that I don't like what he's done.

I don't like what he's done because I see it as causing significant harm to america.


Edit: In short, I oppose trump because I see almost everything he has done as harmful to America.
 
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