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Sad death

Nothing is free. If your parents went to school without paying, someone else did.

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Yep.. so?

There is only one solution, and it's not to blame the other guy that supported government before you. It's to stop supporting the existence of government yourself, now.

right.. so in other words.. the other guy.. that racked up the bill.. should not be asked to pay for the bill... but my generation should have to pay for the bill.. and not get any of the services that the other guy continues to get...

Yeah.. that makes no sense.

As I've said, I'm an anarchist. Unless you're also an anarchist, you'll need to point the finger at yourself more than me
You said you are going to take medicare and social security.. so you only appear to be an anarchist when you tell ME.. not to support more government. you seem to have no problem getting government benefits.

I get it. You were born into a bad situation. Realize that my generation was also born into a similar bad situation, created by the people before us
Well.. the generation before me is still screwing things up.. so it makes sense for me to want them to stop.
 
That's funny. Says the anarchist that's going to make sure he gets his medicare and social security.

I've offered that if the government will agree to leave me alone, I'll forego any "benefits." But, they won't offer that deal. Until then, I'll continue to starve the beast. I'll also continue to take back whatever portion they've taken from me I can manage. There's nothing incongruent in those positions.
 
Well.. the generation before me is still screwing things up.. so it makes sense for me to want them to stop.

I agree with that statement. However, it doesn't make sense for you to not want yourself to stop screwing things up. You support the existence of government. Therefore, you support the root of your problem.
 
I've offered that if the government will agree to leave me alone, I'll forego any "benefits." But, they won't offer that deal. Until then, I'll continue to starve the beast. I'll also continue to take back whatever portion they've taken from me I can manage. There's nothing incongruent in those positions.

Yeah.. you haven't starved the beast at all.. you will get your benefits.. and make me pay for them...

and by taking government money.. you are furthering government action.. because I am going to pay for those benefits. So buck up and refuse medicare and social security.. be a real anarchist.. in fact.. forego any benefits at all. don't use any government roads, don't use the mail.. don't use any electricity made from hydroelectric dams....wait..you shouldn;t be using a computer.. since the computer came about because of government research and development money.

It would seem that government won't stop leaving you alone.. because you KEEP USING GOVERNMENT SUPPLIED OR SUBSIDIZED SERVICES.... so stop using them.. and then you would have a leg to stand on in not getting bugged by the government.
 
I agree with that statement. However, it doesn't make sense for you to not want yourself to stop screwing things up. You support the existence of government. Therefore, you support the root of your problem.

I am not for screwing anything up. I support the existence of government because it makes sense. that's why it exists. and why anarchy does not for very long.. because anarchy is not conducive to survival.

You are an anarchist in name only.
 
That's what the government taught you, and you chose to believe them. Are you sure that's a wise policy?

I'm quite sure it's far wiser than trying to be lured into thinking that anarchy is a great idea.
 
I am not for screwing anything up. I support the existence of government because it makes sense. that's why it exists. and why anarchy does not for very long.. because anarchy is not conducive to survival.

You are an anarchist in name only.
ANO! I like it!
 
If any thread needed to be flushed...
 
The fact that you made such an asinine comment to what I said truly shows just how little you understand.

Ahhh...you poor misunderstood little thing. :violin
 
Mr. Wonka, your passion and conviction are admirable. That said, your distaste for Baby Boomers (as represented by your late uncle) seems to be misguided, given that he was CLEARLY NOT a Baby Boomer. If he was "in his 80's", as you described, he was part of the Silent Generation.
I couldn't tell you his exact age off the top of my head. Late 70's early 80's is most likely. Either way, both of my parents had 12 brothers and sisters. They were most certainly part of the baby boom. He married one of my mothers older sisters. She is probably late 60's early 70's I would guess so mid to early 70's might be more accurate. My mother's oldest sister is pushing 80, and my dad is 70 with a number of older sisters. They are obviously all part of the baby boom. 80 might be on the very high end, but definitely in there.

But what is undeniably true is that you are a young person who has a lot learn.
Meh, 36. There's always more to learn, but I can tell you I sadly already have more life experiences than most of my older conservative relatives. That's just the sad reality of so many rural Trump supporters. They've been around a long time, but they've spent basically every day of their entire lives in the same one horse town interacting with the same people. My parents are scared to even drive in a major city like Minneapolis. My mother didn't board her first airplane until after 9/11. She was in her late 40's at that point.

I am not some big city east coaster who's lived there my whole life and doesn't understand flyover country. I was born and raised there. I know it like the back of my hand. There is almost nothing that an older conservative relative could teach me about the world at this point. That's frankly kind of sad, but it's true.

Boomers want to believe they have a lot of wisdom, and the kids are all naive. In many cases that is likely the truth, but the resources young people have at their fingertips today are immeasurably bigger than those of your generation. Yes, much of it is wasted on stupid ****, but I'm sorry to say that there comes a point where you have to start admitting that your kids are smarter than you, and I think that technology and educational opportunities have accelerated that transition more than boomers want to realize.

Mr. Wonka's passionate distaste for his late uncle
It's less about distaste, and more of an, "oh well."

combined with his indiscriminate, irrational and somewhat confused arguments about his parents' generation.
The Boomers gave us Trump, my generation can't stand him. I think you want to give your own generation more credit than it deserves.

The hypocritical tendencies of a lot of conservative snowflakes on this board, who love to decry "Political Correctness" but squeal like stuck pigs EVERY time someone offends their sensitivities.
Exactly. They don't get to have it both ways. You can't complain about political correctness and applaud Trump's honesty(read lies), and then freak the **** out when a liberal tells you the truth you don't want to hear.
 
I couldn't tell you his exact age off the top of my head. Late 70's early 80's is most likely. Either way, both of my parents had 12 brothers and sisters. They were most certainly part of the baby boom. He married one of my mothers older sisters. She is probably late 60's early 70's I would guess so mid to early 70's might be more accurate. My mother's oldest sister is pushing 80, and my dad is 70 with a number of older sisters. They are obviously all part of the baby boom. 80 might be on the very high end, but definitely in there.


Meh, 36. There's always more to learn, but I can tell you I sadly already have more life experiences than most of my older conservative relatives. That's just the sad reality of so many rural Trump supporters. They've been around a long time, but they've spent basically every day of their entire lives in the same one horse town interacting with the same people. My parents are scared to even drive in a major city like Minneapolis. My mother didn't board her first airplane until after 9/11. She was in her late 40's at that point.

I am not some big city east coaster who's lived there my whole life and doesn't understand flyover country. I was born and raised there. I know it like the back of my hand. There is almost nothing that an older conservative relative could teach me about the world at this point. That's frankly kind of sad, but it's true.

Boomers want to believe they have a lot of wisdom, and the kids are all naive. In many cases that is likely the truth, but the resources young people have at their fingertips today are immeasurably bigger than those of your generation. Yes, much of it is wasted on stupid ****, but I'm sorry to say that there comes a point where you have to start admitting that your kids are smarter than you, and I think that technology and educational opportunities have accelerated that transition more than boomers want to realize.


It's less about distaste, and more of an, "oh well."


The Boomers gave us Trump, my generation can't stand him. I think you want to give your own generation more credit than it deserves.


Exactly. They don't get to have it both ways. You can't complain about political correctness and applaud Trump's honesty(read lies), and then freak the **** out when a liberal tells you the truth you don't want to hear.

Sport....Trump could not have been elected without votes from your generation. As a member of the baby boom generation, I can positively assure you that it was the baby generation that created the anti-establishment movement of the 1960s as well of as the lunatic fringe left that inflicts the democrat party today and still today is in firm control of the democrat party. It is the baby boom generation that gave you Bill and Hillary Clinton.
 
Sport...Trump could not have been elected without votes from your generation.
Obviously, he got some, but he got a much much lower percentage of votes than he did from yours. I've seen some polls that have Trump at 80% disapproval ratings among people under the age of 35. That means in order for the election to even be close he's got to be getting a ton of support from people over 65.

As a member of the baby boom generation, I can positively assure you that it was the baby generation that created the anti-establishment movement of the 1960s as well of as the lunatic fringe left that inflicts the democrat party today and still today is in firm control of the democrat party. It is the baby boom generation that gave you Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Sure, but that's the college-educated baby boomers. A four-year college degree is significantly more rare among baby boomers, particularly rural baby boomers than it is among millennials. Like I said I have about 26 aunts and uncles. They are all married. Among them, there might be 5 people with a four-year college degree, and I don't think any of them have more than that. They were all born and raised in rural Minnesota. Out of them all the farthest any of them moved from home was Indiana which was an 8-hour drive away. That was considered a really really long way from home. Out of all of them, I think maybe two spent any time living in major cities with their wives and husbands. The rest remained in rural Minnesota or other smaller cities in the area where roughly 99% of the people around them were white Christians.

Few of them have any significant experience interacting with anyone that's not a rural white Christian just like themselves. The irrational fear they have of others and outsiders is incredibly apparent. Their inexperience in dealing with the outside world is staggeringly obvious. For many of them just going to a Mexican restaurant is a weird cultural experience. Many of them are the types that would scour the menu and order the obligatory cheeseburger that all Mexican restaurants have for people just like them. My mom is the stereotypical midwestern white woman who has no concept of what spices are. When I was a kid I thought I hated Tacos because when she tried to make them one time she didn't realize there was a taco seasoning you're supposed to put on the meat.

These are sheltered people living in a bubble absolutely convinced that their way of life is the best, and that they alone are Gods people. If an African American family even passed through town and stopped by their gas station the news of their existence would reverberate town in an instant, and it would immediately be assumed they were drug dealers from Chicago coming to traffic their poison.

These are not the types of people you want choosing a President.
 
I couldn't tell you his exact age off the top of my head. Late 70's early 80's is most likely. Either way, both of my parents had 12 brothers and sisters. They were most certainly part of the baby boom. He married one of my mothers older sisters. She is probably late 60's early 70's I would guess so mid to early 70's might be more accurate. My mother's oldest sister is pushing 80, and my dad is 70 with a number of older sisters. They are obviously all part of the baby boom. 80 might be on the very high end, but definitely in there.

Ok to all of that. My point is that, quite simply, your recently deceased relative was not a Baby Boomer. In reading your arguments in this thread, it's clear to me that you are using "Baby Boomer" as a bit of a boogie man. What you really mean is "old people" (as you see them, at least).

I am not some big city east coaster who's lived there my whole life and doesn't understand flyover country. I was born and raised there. I know it like the back of my hand. There is almost nothing that an older conservative relative could teach me about the world at this point. That's frankly kind of sad, but it's true. Boomers want to believe they have a lot of wisdom, and the kids are all naive. In many cases that is likely the truth, but the resources young people have at their fingertips today are immeasurably bigger than those of your generation. Yes, much of it is wasted on stupid ****, but I'm sorry to say that there comes a point where you have to start admitting that your kids are smarter than you, and I think that technology and educational opportunities have accelerated that transition more than boomers want to realize

I wasn't implying that you were a "big city east coaster". I'm implying that you're trying to make a very specific argument based upon a lot of gross generalizations about this amorphous group of people you have labelled (incorrectly in some instances) as "Baby Boomers". You're hardly the only person with a large family....or with a rural upbringing...or with family religious/cultural/educational backgrounds similar to what you've described, etc. etc.. The idea that your anecdotal experiences give you authority to generalize about entire groups....is just naive (if not absurd). The fact that you dismiss "Baby Boomers" as technologically and educationally inept...simply because that fits YOUR FAMILY experience...is just naive (if not absurd).

But this is also all very understandable to many people who remember being your age. I seriously doubt that any "Baby Boomers" (or anyone of any other generation) is interested in arguing that they are "smarter" than you, simply because of their age. That strikes me as a false narrative. This "wisdom" you are talking about has very little to do with intelligence, and very much to do with experience.


The Boomers gave us Trump, my generation can't stand him. I think you want to give your own generation more credit than it deserves.

Conservative White Rural/Suburban men over the age of 40, with LESS than a college degree (and their wives)....REGARDLESS OF GENERATION...gave us Trump. Again, Baby Boomers are those born between '46 and '64. The youngest Boomers are turning 55 in 2019. There are no 40-something Boomers. To continue to argue that it was "Baby Boomers" is to miss the point. Just call it like it really was: White conservative men (and their wives)...mostly rural/suburban....over the age of 40.....gave us Trump. Literally almost every other major demographic group in the country (including college educated whites) favored the other major party candidate. If you want to be specific about the demographics of the 2016 election, there are several very good resources (i.e. Pew, Roper Center, etc.).

Exactly. They don't get to have it both ways. You can't complain about political correctness and applaud Trump's honesty(read lies), and then freak the **** out when a liberal tells you the truth you don't want to hear.

Agreed. No doubt about it. There are a lot of conservative snowflakes out there. Time to toughen them up.
 
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Sport....Trump could not have been elected without votes from your generation. As a member of the baby boom generation, I can positively assure you that it was the baby generation that created the anti-establishment movement of the 1960s as well of as the lunatic fringe left that inflicts the democrat party today and still today is in firm control of the democrat party. It is the baby boom generation that gave you Bill and Hillary Clinton.

"Lunatic fringe that inflicts the democrat party"???

Stupid remarks, "Sport".

The Baby Boom also gave us Trump and virtually the entire radical tea party/wingnut movement.

Next, it's the Democratic Party. If you want to be treated with respect, you have to show respect.

And, in absence of said respect, let's just clarify one other point. There is only one party "inflicted" by its "lunatic fringe", and it's the Publicans.
 
My uncle died last night. I have a huge family and we weren't particularly close, but of course, it's always sad and I feel bad for my cousins. He was in his 80's, smoked most of his life so it wasn't a huge shock, but it came on fairly sudden so he hopefully didn't suffer too long. While it sucks there is a part of me that can't help thinking to myself... Oh well, one less Trump supporter.

He was a pretty stereotypical rich asshole entitled Republican baby boomer. Cheap racist that only really cared about money. It's kind of sad that in the end, it comes down to this. I obviously don't cheer for anyone's death, but my generation is basically just waiting for the baby boomers out at this point. The sooner they go the quicker we can have the better country that we want. We're obviously going to win this fight eventually. Youth always does. It's really just a question of how much damage will our parents do before we can wrestle control away from them, and how long is it going to take us to fix their mess.

Sorry for the familial loss. You obviously grieve not.

The societal disconnect of you viewing him as 'one less political opponent' makes me ask....

When the Baby Boomers are all gone, and the world is just as you believe it should be, do you really think it will remain that way? In the world you foresee where everybody has equal pay, equal housing, equal status, do you honestly believe that someone won't be planning on taking what is yours, because they just want it? The cycle will start all over again.... but this time, you won't know who to watch out for. And likely, they will be the younger generation.
 
In the world, you foresee where everybody has equal pay, equal housing, equal status
I don't foresee that world nor would I want such a world. You should try actually learning what liberals think before criticizing them.
 
Ok to all of that. My point is that, quite simply, your recently deceased relative was not a Baby Boomer.
Oh for **** sake... Fine. I googled his obituary to get the exact number for you. He was 73. He was born in 1945. So yes, he was, in fact, a baby boomer. Just stop.

The idea that your anecdotal experiences give you the authority to generalize about entire groups....is just naive (if not absurd). The fact that you dismiss "Baby Boomers" as technologically and educationally inept...simply because that fits YOUR FAMILY experience...is just naive (if not absurd).
Wrong. I do not do this based on the family experiences I do this based upon the scientific facts. Studies and exit polling show very conclusively that baby boomers did, in fact, vote heavily for Trump. They are in fact less educated, and it really shouldn't be that hard to understand the reality that people who only started using computers in their 50s are not as adept at using them as their kids and grandchildren are.

These are all facts, not assumptions.

I seriously doubt that any "Baby Boomers" (or anyone of any other generation) is interested in arguing that they are "smarter" than you, simply because of their age. That strikes me as a false narrative. This "wisdom" you are talking about has very little to do with intelligence, and very much to do with experience.
I'm was referring to wisdom, not intelligence.

Just call it like it really was: White conservative men (and their wives)...mostly rural/suburban....over the age of 40.....gave us Trump.
Fine, but the majority of the people in that group are in fact baby boomers. It sounds to me like you're taking this personally as if my attacks on baby boomers, in general, are directed more specifically at you. They are not. If you didn't vote for Trump good for you. I'm sure I have at least some older relatives that either didn't vote or didn't vote for Trump. I promise I will be more saddened by their deaths than I was about my uncle.
 
Obviously, he got some, but he got a much much lower percentage of votes than he did from yours.

You do not have the foggiest clue and you are making it up as you go along. I attended two Trump rallies with massive attendance. One before and one after he was elected. There were many of us baby boomers, however the average age of the crowds were closer to your generation then mine.

I've seen some polls that have Trump at 80% disapproval ratings among people under the age of 35. That means in order for the election to even be close he's got to be getting a ton of support from people over 65.

If you saw any polls at all, I suspect that they were from the same pollsters who assured you that the hildabeast was going to be the next president. If you are going to pull numbers out of thin air, I suggest you try to make them a bit more believable. 80% is utter nonsense.

Sure, but that's the college-educated baby boomers. A four-year college degree is significantly more rare among baby boomers, particularly rural baby boomers than it is among millennials.

Again, you are flat making it up as you go along. You do not have a clue. Keep in mind, I am a baby boomer. While there were less baby boomers going to college, boomers going to college was by no means rare. I have lived in both the big city areas and the rural areas and small towns. Even those in the rural areas and small towns had the same options for scholarships, student financial aid, or just simply applying to colleges and universities on their own. Sure it meant that many of them had to move out of their home towns and work part time to put themselves through school rather then having mommy or daddy support them. And they did not have the online college options available today, however you are pulling "rare" out of your backside.


Like I said I have about 26 aunts and uncles. They are all married. Among them, there might be 5 people with a four-year college degree, and I don't think any of them have more than that. They were all born and raised in rural Minnesota. Out of them all the farthest any of them moved from home was Indiana which was an 8-hour drive away. That was considered a really really long way from home. Out of all of them, I think maybe two spent any time living in major cities with their wives and husbands. The rest remained in rural Minnesota or other smaller cities in the area where roughly 99% of the people around them were white Christians.

Sorry, however just as I do not buy your dead uncle story, I do not buy your 26 aunts and uncles story. If you had said 26 cousins, I might have bought it. Do try to make your stories believable.

Few of them have any significant experience interacting with anyone that's not a rural white Christian just like themselves. The irrational fear they have of others and outsiders is incredibly apparent. Their inexperience in dealing with the outside world is staggeringly obvious. For many of them just going to a Mexican restaurant is a weird cultural experience. Many of them are the types that would scour the menu and order the obligatory cheeseburger that all Mexican restaurants have for people just like them. My mom is the stereotypical midwestern white woman who has no concept of what spices are. When I was a kid I thought I hated Tacos because when she tried to make them one time she didn't realize there was a taco seasoning you're supposed to put on the meat.

Again, you are not making it believable. Claiming an extended family that size and then claiming they were all nomads afraid or intimidated by the outside world is laughable, especially in today's modern world. Had you described just a few of them that way, it might have appeared real. You tend to overplay your hand quite a bit. And I don't buy the mother's taco ignorance story either. Moms, especially in small rural communities tend to be very good cooks and well versed with recipes and cook books. I am reasonably sure your mommy knew about taco seasonings.


These are sheltered people living in a bubble absolutely convinced that their way of life is the best, and that they alone are Gods people. If an African American family even passed through town and stopped by their gas station the news of their existence would reverberate town in an instant, and it would immediately be assumed they were drug dealers from Chicago coming to traffic their poison.

These are not the types of people you want choosing a President.

Yet again, you are simply not making it believable. You are in effect suggesting that most if not all rural or small town people, I assume in the baby boom generation are segregation era bigots. Either way, you are in a quite immature way, prejudiced against an entire generation. Maybe as you approach middle age, you will grow out of it.
 
Sad death? Lol. My uncle died and now my world will be better? What a joke.
 
My uncle died last night. I have a huge family and we weren't particularly close, but of course, it's always sad and I feel bad for my cousins. He was in his 80's, smoked most of his life so it wasn't a huge shock, but it came on fairly sudden so he hopefully didn't suffer too long. While it sucks there is a part of me that can't help thinking to myself... Oh well, one less Trump supporter.

He was a pretty stereotypical rich asshole entitled Republican baby boomer. Cheap racist that only really cared about money. It's kind of sad that in the end, it comes down to this. I obviously don't cheer for anyone's death, but my generation is basically just waiting for the baby boomers out at this point. The sooner they go the quicker we can have the better country that we want. We're obviously going to win this fight eventually. Youth always does. It's really just a question of how much damage will our parents do before we can wrestle control away from them, and how long is it going to take us to fix their mess.

Old republicans are just waiting to die off so their stupid liberal democrat grandchildren can greedily take the money and blow it on sin and self.
 
Oh for **** sake... Fine. I googled his obituary to get the exact number for you. He was 73. He was born in 1945. So yes, he was, in fact, a baby boomer. Just stop.

Sniff, sniff.... I smell bull****.

My uncle died last night. I have a huge family and we weren't particularly close, but of course, it's always sad and I feel bad for my cousins. He was in his 80's, smoked most of his life so it wasn't a huge shock, but it came on fairly sudden so he hopefully didn't suffer too long. While it sucks there is a part of me that can't help thinking to myself... Oh well, one less Trump supporter.
 
"Lunatic fringe that inflicts the democrat party"???

Yes. I did not stutter. The lunatic fringe that inflicts the democrat party. one example is the lunatic librul Bernie supporter who shot up the baseball park and nearly killed republican rep Scalise. Another lunatic is Rep Maxine Waters.

Stupid remarks, "Sport".

Yawn...

The Baby Boom also gave us Trump and virtually the entire radical tea party/wingnut movement.

Sport....the baby boom generation has given us most of the presidents in my lifetime and much of yours. The hildabeast and her husband and former president Bill are baby boomers, as was GW Bush. As for the tea party....there is nothing radical or wingnut about the desire to go back such values as controlling government spending, cutting taxes, and limited government. It's right out of the playbook of former president and democrat party icon John F. Kennedy. Despite your claiming in your profile that you are moderate, you appear to be the radical one.

Next, it's the Democratic Party. If you want to be treated with respect, you have to show respect.

And, in absence of said respect, let's just clarify one other point. There is only one party "inflicted" by its "lunatic fringe", and it's the Publicans.

Really? Which party is lobbying for abolishing our border patrol force? Which party is pushing allowing men into little girls public bathrooms?
 
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