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My Trump- and Walker-voting husband .....

- while he succeeded in damaging ACA and continues to undermine it, he failed to completely dismantle it (let alone replace it with anything of course)

Do you have a chronic disease, or any illness which requires a lot of advanced treatment?
Or...how about any of your loved ones?

If not, your statement about how he has failed to completely dismantle the ACA isn't true.
Trust me, as the husband of a disabled wife and a disabled son, the Affordable Care Act does not exist anymore except on paper.

When my son's health insurance (a Blue Cross platinum plan) goes away, he will no longer have a policy that addresses his five serious congenital heart defects. He won't survive without that level of insurance. We don't have an extra million dollars tucked away.

The only reason my wife is alive and relatively healthy despite being in a wheelchair is because of the VA, another thing Trump is determined to attack any way possible. Without it, she would have been buried years ago.

That's JUST the health care issue...I left everything else for others to talk about.
 
If I borrow money that my grand children will have to repay in order to pretend to be wealthy, is that the same as being wealthy in your opinion? I only ask because Trumps cheerleaders tend to forget about his deficit.

We should brag about creating a stable economy, not a big ass bubble, destined to burst and hurt us all. What is it about conservatives that they don't understand the distinction?

After the doubling of the deficit under the obama years at least we have a booming economy to show for it currently. I do not like deficit of any kind then or now.
 
If I enjoy them both and they get me to where I need to be financially then I should be able to choose for myself.

Your disdain for the hardworking people of America is noted.

No one is attacking people who work hard but you go ahead and believe that, because clearly that's what keeps you glued to the illusions. Fear is a terrible thing.
It must be terrible being told every waking minute of your day that people are attacking you.
 
They're not ever likely to change, much, as long as they remain a default alternative to the other party. Odds are his vote will mean more if it goes to a third party anyway.

How? Name one POTUS election won by a third party.
Name ONE time when third parties controlled Congress.
 
No one is attacking people who work hard but you go ahead and believe that, because clearly that's what keeps you glued to the illusions. Fear is a terrible thing.
It must be terrible being told every waking minute of your day that people are attacking you.

Why so serious...?
I feel optimistic..
 
If I borrow money that my grand children will have to repay in order to pretend to be wealthy, is that the same as being wealthy in your opinion? I only ask because Trumps cheerleaders tend to forget about his deficit.

We should brag about creating a stable economy, not a big ass bubble, destined to burst and hurt us all. What is it about conservatives that they don't understand the distinction?

You don't dare disagree with the party line in times like these.
They have been told that the economy is not a bubble, no matter how round and gossamer those membranes appear to be.

"None of what you see and hear is true." (remember?)
 
After the doubling of the deficit under the obama years at least we have a booming economy to show for it currently. I do not like deficit of any kind then or now.

Where were you in 2007?
 
After the doubling of the deficit under the obama years at least we have a booming economy to show for it currently. I do not like deficit of any kind then or now.

Uhhhh...clearly your memory of their very different conditions in taking office has failed you. Obama was handed the controls of a crashing plane, Trump was handed a stable one. BIG difference! Besides, Trump's deficit is larger, more transparently elitist in its creation and dumber for ANYONE to support. Try again to equivocate.
 
Uhhhh...clearly your memory of their very different conditions in taking office has failed you. Obama was handed the controls of a crashing plane, Trump was handed a stable one. BIG difference! Besides, Trump's deficit is larger, more transparently elitist in its creation and dumber for ANYONE to support. Try again to equivocate.

Seems exactly correct. Nowhere to go but up then. 2% is the new normal...Right? Who has a magic wand to make this happen?
 
Where were you in 2007?

Forgive them, they are mongoloids, straddling the tracks, getting off on the vibrations of an approaching train. Eventually, the truth will set them free. In the mean time, we must accept that they feel entitled to their orgasm. You can't fix stupid and, in the case of the selective economic memory of conservatives, remind it of past mistakes.

Tax cuts for the wealthy, deregulation and ****ing poor people is their religion and it doesn't have to make sense.
 
Probably bitching about the deficit same as you. Now I wish were at that level. Does not seem to bad now eh?

Something about your answer tells me that you don't actually have much awareness of what was going on economically in 2007, or much awareness of the causes of the deficit, in 2007, or how it managed to balloon.
I'll just leave you with this much:

An incoming president being held responsible for deficits and debts created by the last administration is disingenuous at best, dishonest to be real about it.

DEBTtruth.jpg

Two simultaneous wars, an unfunded tax cut and a prescription drug benefit for the elderly were ALL put on the national "credit card" between FY 2000 and FY 2008.
I cordially invite you to separate all those TRILLIONS from the ACTUAL debt and deficit that Barack Obama specifically is responsible for, but I suspect you cannot or will not do this because the majority of conservatives today won't do it.

I don't care if you dislike Obama, it's no skin off my teeth, but I prefer people be honest about who ran up the debt.
Last but not least, not ALL debt is bad debt because of the way our money is structured.
If we were to somehow magically make all 21 trillion dollars of debt disappear, it would cause an economic collapse, see if you understand why that's the truth.

I think you're between seventeen and 22 years old and in 2007 you were watching Spongebob.

PS: Tack on another 1.2 trillion on the end of that graph...they didn't anticipate Trump granting another Bush tax windfall on the "credit card".
Typical, Righties ignore deficits when they are in power, scream bloody murder about them when liberals are in power. Liberals try to raise taxes to pay the deficit down, Righties scream about taxes.
 
What exactly did the mean woman do to him? What choices did she make when she was president that negatively affected him so badly?

I haven't read all the replies, so I do not know if anyone has clued you, but here's news flash.

Hillary lost the election!
She has never been President!
 
Forgive them, they are mongoloids, straddling the tracks, getting off on the vibrations of an approaching train. Eventually, the truth will set them free. In the mean time, we must accept that they feel entitled to their orgasm. You can't fix stupid and, in the case of the selective economic memory of conservatives, remind it of past mistakes.

Tax cuts for the wealthy, deregulation and ****ing poor people is their religion and it doesn't have to make sense.

Do you get offered a lot of jobs from homeless people? That would be a new one to me.
 
I don't care if you dislike Obama, it's no skin off my teeth, but I prefer people be honest about who ran up the debt.
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I dont personally dislike obama more that anyone else that mugged me in an alley.
 
Forgive them, they are mongoloids, straddling the tracks, getting off on the vibrations of an approaching train. Eventually, the truth will set them free. In the mean time, we must accept that they feel entitled to their orgasm. You can't fix stupid and, in the case of the selective economic memory of conservatives, remind it of past mistakes.

Tax cuts for the wealthy, deregulation and ****ing poor people is their religion and it doesn't have to make sense.

About 70% of the conservatives here and elsewhere are under 25 years old...and all that that implies.
 
My Trump- and Walker-voting husband hasn't completely bailed on Republicans like I have.

But last night he said he needed to make sure he found his way to the polls next month. (We moved since the 2016 election and so far he hasn't gone to any of the primaries or special elections. I have.)

My first thought was "oh great, he's going to cancel my vote". :)

Then he added, "so I can vote against Walker".

Yes!

Don't get too excited. He will probably vote for the Libertarian candidate, Phil Anderson.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...overnor_walker_vs_evers_vs_anderson-6682.html
 
My Trump- and Walker-voting husband hasn't completely bailed on Republicans like I have.

But last night he said he needed to make sure he found his way to the polls next month. (We moved since the 2016 election and so far he hasn't gone to any of the primaries or special elections. I have.)

My first thought was "oh great, he's going to cancel my vote". :)

Then he added, "so I can vote against Walker".

Yes!


He's not as pissed off at the GOP as I am, not to the point where his default vote will be straight Democratic. I'll have to make a case for any of the non-Republicans that I think I can get him to vote for, but this is definitely a good sign.

He is very disappointed in Trump. Democrats could peel him away in 2020. They're not doing a great job of that yet. (And it has nothing to do with Kavanaugh. Hubby thought Kavanaugh was making stupid, transparent lies in the matter of the yearbook, so he didn't have much sympathy there.) But in general they haven't really changed much from the party which nominated Clinton, so yeah, still some work to do. But there's an opening.
Probably fot tired of all the nagging...



Yes, this is just a joke.
 
How? Name one POTUS election won by a third party.
Name ONE time when third parties controlled Congress.

Probably 19th century, but they wouldn't be third parties if they won :lol: America needs electoral reform (eg. preferential voting or proportional representation): But even without it, it's very difficult to imagine a worse message to send to politicians than to tell them that all they need to aim for is being the lesser evil. That's exactly what a two-party system does, encourages both parties to gravitate towards an establishment-dominated status quo with each appealing to their bases primarily through hyperbolic rhetoric and - besides a few key wedge issues - core policies which only slightly differ towards what their voters consider marginally 'better' than the other.

Trump is a bit of an exception, perhaps. With Clinton as probably the most uninspiring and scandal-ridden Democratic candidate of the century to date, seriously challenged by Sanders and beaten by Trump - how bad do you have to be to be for Donald Trump to be considered a better President? - one might have hoped that 2016 would be a wake-up call. Granted I don't follow US politics much beyond this forum, so I'll just take Amelia's word for it that for the Dems at least, not a lot has changed.
 
Probably 19th century, but they wouldn't be third parties if they won :lol: America needs electoral reform (eg. preferential voting or proportional representation): But even without it, it's very difficult to imagine a worse message to send to politicians than to tell them that all they need to aim for is being the lesser of two evils. That's exactly what a two-party system does, encourages both parties to gravitate towards an establishment-dominated status quo with each appealing to their bases primarily through hyperbolic rhetoric and - besides a few key wedge issues - core policies which only slightly differ towards what their voters consider marginally 'better' than the other.

Trump is a bit of an exception, perhaps. With Clinton as probably the most uninspiring and scandal-ridden Democratic candidate of the century to date, seriously challenged by Sanders and beaten by Trump - how bad do you have to be to be for Donald Trump to be considered a better President? - one might have hoped that 2016 would be a wake-up call. Granted I don't follow US politics much beyond this forum, so I'll just take Amelia's word for it that for the Dems at least, not a lot has changed.

You're in AU so you probably don't understand that, in the USA all elections are popular vote EXCEPT for POTUS elections.
The Electoral College aggregates the majority votes in each state and then the ELECTORS cast THEIR votes, which in some states are "all or nothing" for the majority...but in other states the electoral votes get split.

But as far as the political parties go, a POTUS election is a FOOTBALL GAME...two teams, one winner and one loser.
Nothing is gained by a tiny handful of people from "other teams" prancing around on the field except for the fact that the prancing amounts to interference.
And historically, third party interference has benefited ONLY the Republican Party for the last SIXTY YEARS except in one instance...the 1992 election of Bill Clinton, where Ross Perot ran for the Reform Party, then pulled out at the last minute.

Aside from that, third parties, no matter what their stripe, function as help, solicited or unsolicited, for Republicans because they draw off votes from fickle liberals and independents.

NO THIRD PARTY in the United States has ever even bothered to try to build a significant presence in Congress!
At least if they would bother to do that, then there would be better reasons to vote third party, because the POTUS winner, being also third party, could count on a power base in Congress.
Nope, doesn't happen, never has happened.

And in the case of 2016, 2012, 2008, and even 2004, the Green Party candidate is such a joke that people say that they go into hibernation for 3.5 years and then suddenly wake up six months before the election, thinking that they're going to win the POTUS and suddenly magically transform the country with no power base.
In other words: RAINBOW FARTING UNICORNS.

Should the USA change to a parliamentary system with coalition governments, where third parties could actually be more effective? There are many who think so but it would take several Acts of Congress and a Constitutional Amendment to make that happen.
Good luck, lotsa luck, it's GENERATIONAL LEVEL work.

Far better to reboot and retool on of the two major parties, which HAS happened several times even in the last half of the 20th century AND in 2010, when the Tea Party rebooted and retooled the Republican Party.
Not saying today's Republican Party is any good but they DID do the work to change the party.
 
Do you have a chronic disease, or any illness which requires a lot of advanced treatment?
Or...how about any of your loved ones?

If not, your statement about how he has failed to completely dismantle the ACA isn't true.
Trust me, as the husband of a disabled wife and a disabled son, the Affordable Care Act does not exist anymore except on paper.

I am very sorry to hear that :-( Hang in there...
 
Do you get offered a lot of jobs from homeless people? That would be a new one to me.

Like I said, you guys feel no obligation to make sense. Your post here is nonsensical at best. Are you actually arguing that because rich people- those who have taken the most from this country- exploit the labor pool that we, the laborers, should mortgage our future to make them EXTRA happy and powerful, even at the expense of our own offspring and future? What a ridiculous, self-destructive act of wealth worship you advocate. Isn't their wealth, their superior standard of living, their amplified political voice and their freedom to live anywhere they like ENOUGH of a benefit? Why must we also treat them like royalty for whom we all must genuflect, patronize and allow the poor to suffer? I'm disgusted at the way the right looks at wealth as an indicator of human quality, it's not. It's a barrier to it. Trump was given more as a small, dumb child than most WORKING people make in a lifetime. He's a douche.

What would really be a new one would be if conservatives would give a **** about our human reality rather than a greedy pipe dream. Their ceaseless greed and worship of money has REAL costs to society and the many homeless are but one example. Yours is a sad commentary on the effectiveness of the effort by conservatives to normalize immorality and vilify the poor. Monetary shamelessness is not an economic policy, it's an inter-generational mistake that is perpetuated in glaring contradiction to what any rational person would consider humane.
 
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