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Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defense of Trump

ttwtt78640 said:
What has been the UK/EU response to that murder?
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Unless I am mistaken, their response has been no different than the response from the left in the US: offer nothing but criticism for anything Trump says or does.
 
Fletch said:
Unless I am mistaken, their response has been no different than the response from the left in the US: offer nothing but criticism for anything Trump says or does.
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Express outrage and demand that somebody else take (unspecified) action. If (when?) any action is then taken express outrage over the results of taking that (wrong) action.
 
MTAtech said:
Even if Khashoggi was everything Trump loyalists make up say, does that justify killing him, without trial and then cutting him up for disposal? Then, making up a cover-up story? Wasn't Trump the one condemning others for not adhering to 'innocent until proven guilty' -- or does that just apply to people Trump likes?

The reality is that there is no excuse the Trump fascists can invent that justifies murdering a journalist. None.
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Saudi did this....if he is dead which most believe

Trump had nothing to do with the killing....or are you blaming him for it also?

Saudi has been one of our allies in the ME for a long time....I spent time there while in the military

Their rules are barbaric....their customs archaic....but they are a sovereign nation

Do you think the USA gets to dictate rules to other countries?

And yeah, we could pull out our military and cutoff all weapon sales....to what end? What does that get us? Does it make the region safer? Or should we just let the ME blow each other to bits and not care?
 
Mycroft said:
What is deplorable about stating facts about the man?

Maybe it messes with your preferred narrative?
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So you agree that journalists should be brutally murdered for speaking their mind? That is exactly what the Right is trying to say and that IS deplorable. You all have forsaken your own country and its values in your tribalism. History will not treat you well.
 
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Fletch said:
When you are done ranting about Trump, how about you tell us what you would like to see him do about this.
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I told you. Trump should invite him over for golf and a few laughs. What's your suggestion?
 
gdgyva said:
Saudi did this....if he is dead which most believe

Trump had nothing to do with the killing....or are you blaming him for it also?

Saudi has been one of our allies in the ME for a long time....I spent time there while in the military

Their rules are barbaric....their customs archaic....but they are a sovereign nation

Do you think the USA gets to dictate rules to other countries?

And yeah, we could pull out our military and cutoff all weapon sales....to what end? What does that get us? Does it make the region safer? Or should we just let the ME blow each other to bits and not care?
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You mean like, "Don't target for assassination U.S. permanent residents and U.S. based journalists?" Of course we can and have dictated rules like that for a long time, and "allies" should respect them.

At the very least, the Saudis should find a half dozen Trump developments and buy up a bunch of overpriced condos at full price, as an act of contrition. It's the least they can do I think, and since the only clarity so far coming from the WH is we can't cancel any of lucrative defense contracts, we'd said it's hugely about the money, so let's see some more of it from these guys!
 
JasperL said:
I told you. Trump should invite him over for golf and a few laughs. What's your suggestion?
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So you have no intelligent response. Fair enough. In the future you might consider saying nothing rather than expose the emptiness of your thoughts by posting nonsense.
 
iguanaman said:
So you agree that journalists should be brutally murdered for speaking their mind?

~I don't care what the "Right" says~
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No, I don't...but what makes you think he was brutally murdered for speaking his mind?
 
trouble13 said:
So you give a nonanswer.
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It's an answer. What's yours?

The 'nonanswer' is my disgust at the hypocrisy of this country, and it's not new to Trump. Fact is we do not care about human rights, at least not when they interfere with profits, and we don't care that the Saudis targeted one of our own, so long as the dollars keep flowing. So let's make it official - drop the pretense. We have the ethics of the mob.
 
trouble13 said:
The only thing i said is the left should voice what they believe the appropiate response is.

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I don't represent "the left" (who does?) but I would pressure the Saudi leadership to find a more stable successor (leader) and push MBS aside. MBS is unstable. We basically need the Saudis to provide a modicum of stability in the ME. We DO have a lot of influence with them, although they have us by the petrodollar thanks to Nixon/Kissinger.

MBS is just one of about 2 dozen grandkids that could be put in that position.

It's unfortunate that Trump/Kusher threw their weight behind MBS right out of the gate.
 
Fletch said:
So you have no intelligent response. Fair enough. In the future you might consider saying nothing rather than expose the emptiness of your thoughts by posting nonsense.
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I'm embracing the hypocrisy. Do you have a problem with that? We know we don't actually care about the murder, we're not going to risk $100 billion in fat defense contracts, so let's drop the facade, the mask, and just embrace our position, which is we don't give a damn about human rights if they interfere with profits.
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I don't represent "the left" (who does?) but I would pressure the Saudi leadership to find a more stable successor (leader) and push MBS aside. MBS is unstable. We basically need the Saudis to provide a modicum of stability in the ME. We DO have a lot of influence with them, although they have us by the petrodollar thanks to Nixon/Kissinger.

MBS is just one of about 2 dozen grandkids that could be put in that position.

It's unfortunate that Trump/Kusher threw their weight behind MBS right out of the gate.
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And of course we apparently signed off on MbS doing the "investigation." If there's any pressure, it looks like it's going to come from Congress and not the WH.
 
Fletch said:
So you have no intelligent response. Fair enough. In the future you might consider saying nothing rather than expose the emptiness of your thoughts by posting nonsense.
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It was a serious question - what do you think our response should be?

And my serious response is at a minimum we should send MbS into the diplomatic wilderness for a year or two or three until the guy learns some respect for the elder party in this alliance. Even the mob would demand that at least, and surely we've got at least that much for principles. His flunkies committed the murder - he shouldn't be able to hid behind, "Rogue killers!" It's insulting. MbS might as well flip the U.S. the bird.
 
JasperL said:
And of course we apparently signed off on MbS doing the "investigation." If there's any pressure, it looks like it's going to come from Congress and not the WH.
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Thus my last sentence in the prior post. SA was Trump's first foreign trip as POTUS, and he and Kushner went all in with MBS at that time. They need to admit they were wrong :)lamo - which happens when pigs fly). So, yeah congress needs to act or there will be more of this butchery.
 
JasperL said:
It's an answer. What's yours?

The 'nonanswer' is my disgust at the hypocrisy of this country, and it's not new to Trump. Fact is we do not care about human rights, at least not when they interfere with profits, and we don't care that the Saudis targeted one of our own, so long as the dollars keep flowing. So let's make it official - drop the pretense. We have the ethics of the mob.
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It's not an answer. I asked you what an appropriate response is not what you find inappropriate.

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doxygen said:
I don't represent "the left" (who does?) but I would pressure the Saudi leadership to find a more stable successor (leader) and push MBS aside. MBS is unstable. We basically need the Saudis to provide a modicum of stability in the ME. We DO have a lot of influence with them, although they have us by the petrodollar thanks to Nixon/Kissinger.

MBS is just one of about 2 dozen grandkids that could be put in that position.

It's unfortunate that Trump/Kusher threw their weight behind MBS right out of the gate.
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Thank you for offering something of substance. You want Trump to demand MBS to step down. You have more than most of those criticizing Trump about this.

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trouble13 said:
It's not an answer. I asked you what an appropriate response is not what you find inappropriate.
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What's your answer?

And I gave my 'serious' response in #93, although finding a way to punish SA without jeopardizing long term goals in the ME isn't my job. That's a primary job for POTUS and so far he sent Pompeo over there to yuk it up on video with the guy who almost surely ordered the killing, went to Turkey and we're supposed to believe Pompeo didn't demand and get the recordings the Turks are leaking all over in the press, then the WH has now has apparently signed off on a sham investigation that will last a month, led by MbS. I'm not required to have all the answers to express my view that THAT response is embarrassing and IMO shameful.
 
trouble13 said:
Thank you for offering something of substance. You want Trump to demand MBS to step down. You have more than most of those criticizing Trump about this.
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Did I miss you telling us what your recommended response should be?
 
rocket88 said:
Pretty much everybody but the Saudi royal family. And Trump.
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shrug...

Jesus, himself, could say it. It would still mean nothing without a fact or two.
 
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