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Republicans hampering N. Dakota native Americans ability to Vote

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And the Republican voter suppression strategy marches on, in the face of dignity, democracy, human decency, the Republican douchebaggery cannot help itself.


https://www.npr.org/2018/10/13/6571...nt-be-accepted-at-north-dakota-polling-places

This week, the Supreme Court declined to overturn North Dakota's controversial voter ID law, which requires residents to show identification with a current street address. A P.O. box does not qualify.

Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.
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See, it's like this, Senator Heitkamp won by a narrow margin with the help of the Native Americans. If repubs can take this seat,
it will seal the deal insofar as their keeping the Senate in the R column.

So, what does ND republican legislature do?


Well, because repubs know this, that Native American Indian Reservations largely do not have street addresses, only A.P.O boxes,
they come up with this law.

Many Native American reservations, however, do not use physical street addresses. Native Americans are also overrepresented in the homeless population, according to the Urban Institute. As a result, Native residents often use P.O. boxes for their mailing addresses and may rely on tribal identification that doesn't list an address.
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The Native Americans haven't lost their will to fight back, and they are doing something about it, which we hope will be done real soon.

In the meantime, this is more evidence that republicans hate democracy, because if they have to depend on democracy, they will lose, every time.

Dems have the will of the people, and we are going to royally cream republicans in November.
 
I disagree with the PO Box disqualification. Rural addresses sometimes need to use a PO box for more reliable delivery. A giant red flag in my opinion.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I disagree with the PO Box disqualification. Rural addresses sometimes need to use a PO box for more reliable delivery. A giant red flag in my opinion.
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The law provides for the ability to obtain a physical address.
 
FedExpress and other carriers will not deliver to street address on reservations I know. People must pick up their packages at the post office.
 
OscarLevant said:
And the Republican voter suppression strategy marches on, in the face of dignity, democracy, human decency, the Republican douchebaggery cannot help itself.




See, it's like this, Senator Heitkamp won by a narrow margin with the help of the Native Americans. If repubs can take this seat,
it will seal the deal insofar as their keeping the Senate in the R column.

So, what does ND republican legislature do?


Well, because repubs know this, that Native American Indian Reservations largely do not have street addresses, only A.P.O boxes,
they come up with this law.



The Native Americans haven't lost their will to fight back, and they are doing something about it, which we hope will be done real soon.

In the meantime, this is more evidence that republicans hate democracy, because if they have to depend on democracy, they will lose, every time.

Dems have the will of the people, and we are going to royally cream republicans in November.
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I was listening to a local ND radio station and folks were saying this was a serious miscalculation.
From my limited understanding this went to the supreme court since the primaries. So the law went into effect 27 days before the actual election so the primary votes were cast with the p.o. box ids. Tribal leaders were saying the machines they bought to make the new ids stopped working due to the overwhelming amount of people trying to get the new ids. They also had a huge surge of voter registration.
I don't know the native population but I think this one might backfire.
They should have put this off until the next election. That would have been the fair thing but who cares about fairness.
 
PirateMk1 said:
The law provides for the ability to obtain a physical address.
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Sure 27 days to get thousands new ids sure sounds fair. The law could have been held until the next election.
 
So, if there is a 911 emergency on a reservation, the responders just drive around in circles because there's no street address? Every residence has to have some sort of location identifier one would think.
 
Middle_Ground said:
Sure 27 days to get thousands new ids sure sounds fair. The law could have been held until the next election.
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But then it would not have its intended effect, which is to oust Senator Heitkamp. GOP has raised voter suppression to an art form.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I disagree with the PO Box disqualification. Rural addresses sometimes need to use a PO box for more reliable delivery. A giant red flag in my opinion.
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Agree!

Silly of them to deny voters who don't have a physical street address.
 
Middle_Ground said:
Sure 27 days to get thousands new ids sure sounds fair. The law could have been held until the next election.
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I would agree with that. Or the law passed sooner. However anymore politics is bare knuckled unfortunately.
 
veritas1 said:
So, if there is a 911 emergency on a reservation, the responders just drive around in circles because there's no street address? Every residence has to have some sort of location identifier one would think.
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Of course they do.

You got to love these far leftist radicals breathlessly reporting this travesty, with spittle oozing from the corners of their mouths for added effect. :)

Those people living on reservations may not use physical addresses, but you can damn sure know they have one.
 
Yeah. A quick search and I found several websites that report anyone who receives gov't services, and people who live on reservations do receive federally funded medical services, because they are Indians, a physical address is required. BY LAW!!!!

Nice try lefties.
 
DamnYankee said:
Of course they do.

You got to love these far leftist radicals breathlessly reporting this travesty, with spittle oozing from the corners of their mouths for added effect. :)

Those people living on reservations may not use physical addresses, but you can damn sure know they have one.
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They don't, but they plan to have one before the election, addresses presented by letter on each N/American's Sovereign Letterhead.

They sent the proposal to the state's election committee to see if this was acceptable, and the answer was: "probably".


Uh huh, yeah, right.
 
DamnYankee said:
Yeah. A quick search and I found several websites that report anyone who receives gov't services, and people who live on reservations do receive federally funded medical services, because they are Indians, a physical address is required. BY LAW!!!!

Nice try lefties.
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That doesn't change the premise, it just says those without addresses are not receiving services, that's all that that proves.

Nice try, righty.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I would agree with that. Or the law passed sooner. However anymore politics is bare knuckled unfortunately.
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Have you ever noticed that the people who say "that's the way the cookies crumble" are invariably the same people who eat the cookies?
 
Cardinal said:
Have you ever noticed that the people who say "that's the way the cookies crumble" are invariably the same people who eat the cookies?
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Yes. Its been said to me many times. I believe Obama said elections have consequences. I remember very well that lesson.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Yes. Its been said to me many times. I believe Obama said elections have consequences. I remember very well that lesson.
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"Elections have consequences" doesn't mean "the other side's voters don't get to vote." If that were a defining quality of representative democracies then every democracy would last precisely one political cycle.
 
tribal members have come up with a last minute solution:
... If North Dakota voting authorities truly wanted to ensure Native Americans a right to vote, 911 addresses could have been provided to tribal governments to distribute among their nations, Semans says.
Together with political scientists and mapping experts at California-based Claremont Graduate University, Semans is working to bring maps to voting sites so that people can point to the location of their residence, identify a specific address, and on-hand tribal representatives can issue them a note of confirmation on tribal letterhead. ...
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https://psmag.com/social-justice/na...g-to-tackle-voter-suppression-in-north-dakota
 
Elizabeth Waren should travel to the reservation and help her fellow Nstive Americans obtaine the correct ID.

I understand the need for a physical address however it would seem the tribe or reservation could have a standard physical address all their homeless could use.
 
https://newsok.com/article/feed/662...es-to-fight-voter-suppression-in-north-dakota

In the span of just over an hour, Daily Kos has already raised over $100,000 to defeat Republican-backed voter suppression in North Dakota. In partnership with North Dakota Native Vote, Daily Kos launched a push to raise funds for this effort to reach Native American voters to provide the free, updated identification cards made necessary by a recent U.S. Supreme Court move allowing implementation of North Dakota’s voter ID law.

“Daily Kos was thrilled to partner with North Dakota Native Vote to help remedy this stark attempt at voter suppression,” said Daily Kos communications director Carolyn Fiddler. “North Dakota Republicans nakedly targeted Native Americans when they passed a law requiring voters to present ID cards bearing a residential street address before casting ballots. Since the U.S. Postal Service doesn’t provide residential delivery to many rural reservations and tribal communities, many tribal IDs use P.O. boxes, and the new law could lead to the disenfrachisement of some 70,000 Native voters.”
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veritas1 said:
So, if there is a 911 emergency on a reservation, the responders just drive around in circles because there's no street address? Every residence has to have some sort of location identifier one would think.
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That's what I thought. Next time someone asks for a water hook-up or have electricity routed to them, I guess they'll just give their PO box number and the guys at the electricity and water works will know where it is. (grin)
 
Barnacle said:
That's what I thought. Next time someone asks for a water hook-up or have electricity routed to them, I guess they'll just give their PO box number and the guys at the electricity and water works will know where it is. (grin)
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I have seen several such comments in this thread which just goes to show how clueless many are about life on the reservations. We are talking about places in remote parts of the reservations that don’t have connected utilities. Emergency services are coordinated by affiliating the residence with its geocords.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I have seen several such comments in this thread which just goes to show how clueless many are about life on the reservations. We are talking about places in remote parts of the reservations that don’t have connected utilities. Emergency services are coordinated by affiliating the residence with its geocords.
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Well, "lucky" for them, 911 has a physical address for them ... see post #18 (or maybe 19)...

"... North Dakota Native Americans without residential addresses can contact their local 911 coordinators in order to obtain the necessary information pertaining to a technical residential addresses. ..."
 
Cardinal said:
Have you ever noticed that the people who say "that's the way the cookies crumble" are invariably the same people who eat the cookies?
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And, if you are starving, and that's all you had available to eat, you would eat it, too.
 
OscarLevant said:
And the Republican voter suppression strategy marches on, in the face of dignity, democracy, human decency, the Republican douchebaggery cannot help itself.




See, it's like this, Senator Heitkamp won by a narrow margin with the help of the Native Americans. If repubs can take this seat,
it will seal the deal insofar as their keeping the Senate in the R column.

So, what does ND republican legislature do?


Well, because repubs know this, that Native American Indian Reservations largely do not have street addresses, only A.P.O boxes,
they come up with this law.



The Native Americans haven't lost their will to fight back, and they are doing something about it, which we hope will be done real soon.

In the meantime, this is more evidence that republicans hate democracy, because if they have to depend on democracy, they will lose, every time.

Dems have the will of the people, and we are going to royally cream republicans in November.
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Have you actually read North Dakota's voter ID law?

Here's the section called "Supplemental Documentation" which seems to debunk your entire thread:

Supplemental Documentation

If an individual’s valid form of identification does not include the North Dakota residential address or date of birth, or the North Dakota residential address is not current, the individual may supplement the identification with a current utility bill; a current bank statement; a check or a document issued by a federal, state, local, or tribal government (including those issued by BIA for a tribe located in North Dakota, any other tribal agency or entity, or any other document that sets forth the tribal member’s name, date of birth, and current North Dakota residential address); or a paycheck.​

In other words, their tribal government can issue a document attesting to the persons address.

So tell me how exactly Republicans are engaged in voter suppression?

https://vip.sos.nd.gov/idrequirements.aspx

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