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Pocahontas

The reason Alec Baldwin,Stephen Colbert, Seth Myers, Jimmy Kimmel , SNL. et al are such tools is that are useful idiots for the Democrats.

Now let's see one of them prove me wrong by doing a bit mocking Elizabeth Warren.
If you can't parody her right now, you have no business saying you're in comedy.
The jokes write themselves.

Props to the onion - I thought they had gone the useful idiot route.
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2...n-leaves-elizabeth-warren-down-for-the-count/
 
americanwoman said:
Exactly.

I just said in another thread Trump acts no better than a first grader but I retract that and say no better than a preschooler. Even children at that age are taught to treat their classmates better.
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Trump is still calling her Pocahontas and claiming he is more Native American than her. Really wtf.

His supporters have bought into all it.
 
GottaGo said:
Take Trump out of the mix for a moment, since Warren is the one who made the claim.

What benefit did it serve Warren to claim she was a Native American? lem.
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You should have learned from the OJ trial. Never ask a question you don't know the answer to.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/201...n-has-lied-about-her-heritage-in-epic-thread/

e really, truly think that Sen. Elizabeth Warren actually thinks that a DNA test revealing she might be 1/1024th Native American is proof of her claim to Native American heritage — even though the Cherokee Nation itself is disputing that delusion and taking it as the insult it is.

And we’ve already seen that a 1997 Fordham Law Review piece described Elizabeth Warren as Harvard Law School’s “first woman of color.” Wonder where they got that idea? Is that what she told them, or did she wear native garb and bring in a dish from the “Pow Wow Chow” cookbook to which she contributed and they just assumed?

We’ve had a lot of posts on Warren being hammered today over what she somehow considered a big win, but we have to hand it to the Daily Caller’s Benny Johnson for compiling this epic list of Elizabeth Warren lies. Enjoy …
 
SheWolf said:
Trump is still calling her Pocahontas and claiming he is more Native American than her. Really wtf.

His supporters have bought into all it.
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Of course they have. lol I wouldn't expect them to actually have any standards, unless of course the standards are directed at them.
 
GottaGo said:
Take Trump out of the mix for a moment, since Warren is the one who made the claim.

What benefit did it serve Warren to claim she was a Native American? At what point of dilution can one continue to make such a claim?

As other's have noted, a good portion of the US population could lay claim to a multitude of nationalities and races, especially going back '6-10' generations. Native American, Black, it's all likely in a large percentage of any American whose family has been here for 6-10 generations. That Warren used such a statement to her benefit is the core problem.
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She made it in a networking directory. And in a cookbook.

It was part of the mythos many of us shared growing up. It was especially common in Oklahoma, where Warren and I were both born. Nothing sinister about believing that somewhere down the line you had a Native American ancestor.

Then the rightwing had to come along and demonize this innocent, common belief.
 
SheWolf said:
Trump is still calling her Pocahontas and claiming he is more Native American than her. Really wtf.

t.
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Yeah he's hanging her out to dry isn't he?

Doesn't sh ehave any advisors to tell her what a dumb idea it would be to release that DNA test and how stupd it makes her look????
 
KLATTU said:
You should have learned from the OJ trial. Never ask a question you don't know the answer to.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/201...n-has-lied-about-her-heritage-in-epic-thread/

e really, truly think that Sen. Elizabeth Warren actually thinks that a DNA test revealing she might be 1/1024th Native American is proof of her claim to Native American heritage — even though the Cherokee Nation itself is disputing that delusion and taking it as the insult it is.

And we’ve already seen that a 1997 Fordham Law Review piece described Elizabeth Warren as Harvard Law School’s “first woman of color.” Wonder where they got that idea? Is that what she told them, or did she wear native garb and bring in a dish from the “Pow Wow Chow” cookbook to which she contributed and they just assumed?

We’ve had a lot of posts on Warren being hammered today over what she somehow considered a big win, but we have to hand it to the Daily Caller’s Benny Johnson for compiling this epic list of Elizabeth Warren lies. Enjoy …
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It wasn't a matter of me knowing the answer. ;)
 
Amelia said:
She made it in a networking directory. And in a cookbook.

It was part of the mythos many of us shared growing up. It was especially common in Oklahoma, where Warren and I were both born. Nothing sinister about believing that somewhere down the line you had a Native American ancestor.

Then the rightwing had to come along and demonize this innocent, common belief.
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So it had nothing to do with Harvard declaring her their first 'Woman of Color'? Why would Harvard make such a statement, if it was 'only a mythos'?
 
apdst said:
She still doesn't qualify for minority status.
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I don't see her applying for minority status. Another red herring. Trump needs to be bagging up the million dollars to keep his word, or trash it.
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Rosie1 said:
I believe that's because the Cherokee tribe doesn't okay DNA sampling. The 23 and me uses Central American samples, for their Native American. There are other tribes that don't allow DNA, as well.

My cousin had a DNA test. It did not show Native American. There was a 10% unknown in her DNA, however. Some of the various companies have a hard time detecting Native American DNA, and sometimes it is just too diluted (also something very complicated about how some female genetics are passed on, etc).

Our great-grandmother was brought West on the Trail-of-Tears, then raised by a white family and later married, in Texas. She lived with my grandparents later, and taught my grandmother how to store vegetables for winter, medicinal plants, etc. My grandfather did not look half Indian, but his couple of sisters that I saw definitely did. We think she was Cherokee, because that is what Grandpa said. Supposedly, one of the cousins destroyed a photo of great grandma (as a girl, in her tribal clothing). People tried to hide Indian blood back in those days.
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True. Even the article cited in the OP noted that the professor doing the analysis used other groups as a 'stand in' for Native Americans, because we don't have enough actual DNA sampling. Hence this is purely a guess.
 
Amelia said:
She made it in a networking directory. And in a cookbook.

It was part of the mythos many of us shared growing up. It was especially common in Oklahoma, where Warren and I were both born. Nothing sinister about believing that somewhere down the line you had a Native American ancestor.

Then the rightwing had to come along and demonize this innocent, common belief.
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There's a difference between "believing that somewhere down the line you had a Native American ancestor" and claiming to be a Native American.
 
Rexedgar said:
Problem is they only have two hands...............why does anyone think Hillary speaking out is anything other than an drag on the Democrats?
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Gawd, yes. Hillary should have walked off into the sunset back in 2000. They had their 8 years. I was horrified when I heard she won the NY Senate seat--That's not even getting into the whole, "She isn't even from ****ing New York!" conversation. It was, for me, a case of, "Aren't these people ever going away?"

And, now here she is, piping up and riding the coattails of Me Too. Needless to day, she's not helping.
 
GottaGo said:
Take Trump out of the mix for a moment, since Warren is the one who made the claim.

What benefit did it serve Warren to claim she was a Native American? At what point of dilution can one continue to make such a claim?

As other's have noted, a good portion of the US population could lay claim to a multitude of nationalities and races, especially going back '6-10' generations. Native American, Black, it's all likely in a large percentage of any American whose family has been here for 6-10 generations. That Warren used such a statement to her benefit is the core problem.
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I agree with you that she is doing what a lot of Americans do, and say things many Americans say. It's very common for white Americans to claim Native American ancestry. There has been numerous people posting how they are more native and look more native than her, and chances are, they haven't had their blood tested.

White Americans say things like they tan well and have high cheek bones, because of their native ancestry.

I find her sentiment to very common, and I can't help but think that a lot people are just as guilty as she is.
 
dcsports said:
There's a difference between "believing that somewhere down the line you had a Native American ancestor" and claiming to be a Native American.
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Man, if she came in at a 1/4 AI, I would have said, "She nailed Trumpy." Even if she came in at a 1/16th, I would have given her benefit of the doubt on it. But, 1/64 to 1/1024?

Wtf? STFU and just go away, Liz.
 
GottaGo said:
So it had nothing to do with Harvard declaring her their first 'Woman of Color'? Why would Harvard make such a statement, if it was 'only a mythos'?
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She didn't use the claim to try to get a job. Harvard just latched onto it after she was hired because they were so desperate to claim a minority ... since they had done such a sucky job of minority outreach.

LIKE MANY AMERICANS, Warren believed it was part of her heritage, but she didn't use it to try to get a job.

Nothing nefarious. Not her fault Harvard tried to use her for cover to deflect from their failings.
 
calamity said:
Trump calls Elizabeth Warren 'Pocahontas' again after she reveals DNA results

1/64 to 1/1024th American Indian is 1.5% max to 0.1% min Indian blood. I would be stunned if the margin of error of the test is much better than the former, and I know it isn't anywhere near accurate enough to declare the latter as a legitimate number. They may as well just say, "there is a 0 to 1% chance she is American Indian."

So, Trump continues to mock a white person who is dubiously pretending to be Native American. Sheer brilliance. Meanwhile, Liz rolls around in the dog pile she stepped in.


Hats off where it is due. Trump kicked Liz's ass on this one. Time to move on, Lady Warren. Time to move on.
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Ill repost the same response in this thread as i did in the other failed threads crying about the issues

"???
im confused by this story. I never followed it closely so anybody feel free to correct me where im wrong..

a woman stated what her heritage/DNA was based on what her family told her
some people called her a liar and this also gave her some self doubt on what her family told her
she took a test and it proved that her heritage/DNA was in fact what she said it was

some how that is judged as wrong and inappropriate by some people? LMAO by what standards?
and how does that justify mocking her especially since she made the info public?

IMO anybody "rejecting" the facts is guilty of bigotry :shrug:

Doesn't seem like a "win" for anybody and dont see any logic to support that..I see this situation as basically the same for her with some redemption and honesty of coming forward with the results..but basically a draw......for trump he looks even more stupid because he reneged on his bet and is still mocking her and using bigoted slurs when she is technically right and that exposes it as a loss for him. thats the part that makes it worse, even if there was evidence she was a liar and made it all up (theres not) it would still be wrong to do what he is doing.

what am i missing?:lol:
 
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Amelia said:
She made it in a networking directory. And in a cookbook.

It was part of the mythos many of us shared growing up. It was especially common in Oklahoma, where Warren and I were both born. Nothing sinister about believing that somewhere down the line you had a Native American ancestor.

Then the rightwing had to come along and demonize this innocent, common belief.
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I know exactly what you are talking about
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't see her applying for minority status. Another red herring. Trump needs to be bagging up the million dollars to keep his word, or trash it.
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He definitely has to pay the money. If he doesn't, the dems better have a plan to exploit him being a welcher. But, of course, they probably don't.
 
AGENT J said:
Ill repost the same response in this thread as i did in the other failed threads crying about the issues

"???
im confused by this story. I never followed it closely so anybody feel free to correct me where im wrong..

a woman stated what her heritage/DNA was based on what her family told her
some people called her a liar and this also gave her some self doubt on what her family told her
she took a test and it proved that her heritage/DNA was in fact what she said it was

some how that is judged as wrong and inappropriate by some people? LMAO by what standards?
and how does that justify mocking her especially since she made the info public?

IMO anybody "rejecting" the facts is guilty of bigotry :shrug:

Doesn't seem like a "win" for anybody and dont see any logic to support that..I see this situation as basically the same for her with some redemption and honesty of coming forward with the results..but basically a draw......for trump he looks even more stupid because he reneged on his bet and is still mocking her and using bigoted slurs when she is technically right and that exposes it as a loss for him. thats the part that makes it worse, even if there was evidence she was a liar and made it all up (theres not) it would still be wrong to do what he is doing.

what am i missing?:lol:
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Pretty much everything. Trump's wall is full of heads like Warren's. She picked the stupidest hill ever to die on.
 
Amelia said:
She didn't use the claim to try to get a job. Harvard just latched onto it after she was hired because they were so desperate to claim a minority ... since they had done such a sucky job of minority outreach.

LIKE MANY AMERICANS, Warren believed it was part of her heritage, but she didn't use it to try to get a job.

Nothing nefarious. Not her fault Harvard tried to use her for cover to deflect from their failings.
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And, it blew up in her face. Now she needs to put on her big girl shorts and walk away before she becomes the national laughing stock---oops, too late.
 
Amelia said:
She has some native ancestry, and even if she didn't, in no way is it appropriate to call her Pocahontas.

No hats are due. You're applauding Trump for continuing to be a horrible person.
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No, Warren does not have "some" native ancestry. That is simply a lie. She does not qualify as an Amerindian, Cherokee or Delaware. Not only has she managed to offend the entire Cherokee Nation, she is making leftists everywhere look stupid for defending her lies.

She needs to shut up and move one. And for the record, Warren is a horrible person for faking her ancestry.
 
calamity said:
Pretty much everything. Trump's wall is full of heads like Warren's. She picked the stupidest hill ever to die on.
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Again what part and based on what logic.... she proved her dna/heritage to be what she said it was, she choose to bring that info forward and he reneged his bet even lying that he made it....and he keeps using bigots slurs....
what part of that is a win? LMAO . . . i mean toe extremists im sure it is but not to anybody rational and objective right left or center....
 
Amelia said:
She didn't use the claim to try to get a job. Harvard just latched onto it after she was hired because they were so desperate to claim a minority ... since they had done such a sucky job of minority outreach.

LIKE MANY AMERICANS, Warren believed it was part of her heritage, but she didn't use it to try to get a job.

Nothing nefarious. Not her fault Harvard tried to use her for cover to deflect from their failings.
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A lot of the same Americans, who grew up like her, before all these DNA tests, are still making the same claims she did. Some of them even insist they are more native than her, because of the way they look or whatever.

Again, this country is not having the proper conversation, and millions of Americans are not confronting the fact that their own families do exactly what Warrens did, and they run around and talk of their Cheeeoke Princess ancestor or whatever.

Native Americans are the biggest losers in this situation. Trump is insulting Warren with Pocahontas, and I am sure than race baiting is going to rachet up. Also, the country is too galvanized to listen to them talk in any productive fashion about anything.
 
celticwar17 said:
He's mocking her on making a mockery of Native Ancestry... It isn't nice, but it's not inappropriate.

Unless you have a standard that you can never not be nice or disrespectful of course... but I think that's silly. Him calling her Pocahontas is funny, it's not over the top.... If he were to call a Native American that, and mocking them for the sake of being Native American.... yea that's crossing the line. But he's doing the opposite.
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Very well said.
:applaud
 
DaveFagan said:
I don't see her applying for minority status. Another red herring. Trump needs to be bagging up the million dollars to keep his word, or trash it.
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Harvard Law School in the 1990s touted Warren, then a professor in Cambridge, as being "Native American." They singled her out, Warren later acknowledged, because she had listed herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-pocahontas/index.html
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