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[W:117]Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Ah, but I agree with you a great deal here.

Trump did tap into the unhappiness that was occurring in much of the country. Both parties have passed these demographics by for many years. Decades ago, the Dems had much of this crowd, at least in the northern states, the ones Trump flipped allowing him to win. But besides just forgetting to be the champions of the working man, the Dems then embraced the culture wars, further alienating many of these same demographics. Then they ran Hillary. Good bye Presidency! Good by SCOTUS! It was a tragic and costly loss, that's for sure.

The Democratic Party reaped what it sowed in 2016. They continue to reap ...
Look at them today, the way they act... Have they not learned a thing from their mistakes?
Instead, they have become the party of blame instead of doing some much needed introspection. They need to get it together...but I don't hold high hopes for them currently.
They will take the house. They will start impeachment proceedings, and it will backfire on them. They are currently lacking leadership. They need to come back to the center, get a good guy or gal to sell a believable message to the people because hate and resentment do not sell.
 
Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Ah, but I agree with you a great deal here.

Trump did tap into the unhappiness that was occurring in much of the country. Both parties have passed these demographics by for many years. Decades ago, the Dems had much of this crowd, at least in the northern states, the ones Trump flipped allowing him to win. But besides just forgetting to be the champions of the working man, the Dems then embraced the culture wars, further alienating many of these same demographics. Then they ran Hillary. Good bye Presidency! Good by SCOTUS! It was a tragic and costly loss, that's for sure.

The "fatal" mistake dems made was to become "champions" of groups: women, blacks, gays, pro-choice, immigrants, "poor", old, etc. etc. etc.
You name it, the dems would create it, until we were all divided into groups ... except for white, hetrosexual working men, there is no group for them.

Dems are now in a perpetual state of "pleasing" each group individually instead of addressing them all as one group: Americans.
 
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The Democratic Party reaped what it sowed in 2016. They continue to reap ...
Look at them today, the way they act... Have they not learned a thing from their mistakes?
Instead, they have become the party of blame instead of doing some much needed introspection. They need to get it together...but I don't hold high hopes for them currently.
They will take the house. They will start impeachment proceedings, and it will backfire on them. They are currently lacking leadership. They need to come back to the center, get a good guy or gal to sell a believable message to the people because hate and resentment do not sell.


I pray they won't ...
 
Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

The Democratic Party reaped what it sowed in 2016. They continue to reap ...
Look at them today, the way they act... Have they not learned a thing from their mistakes?
Instead, they have become the party of blame instead of doing some much needed introspection. They need to get it together...but I don't hold high hopes for them currently.
They will take the house. They will start impeachment proceedings, and it will backfire on them. They are currently lacking leadership. They need to come back to the center, get a good guy or gal to sell a believable message to the people because hate and resentment do not sell.
I left the Dems many years ago, for probably many of the same reasons why you don't like them. I only returned several months ago, in response to Trump - sad to say. However, for much of my earlier life I was a relatively happy Dem, though we were old-school Dems that today would be more like the current Blue Dogs.

We were Catholic, socially & personally fiscally conservative, staunchly traditional family oriented, anti-abortion, liked to keep a gun around the house, and no one we knew would ever admit to taking any form of public assistance even if their life depended upon it. I'm still of that mold in my personal life. But these types of Dems are now a rarity in the party.

Anyway, a populist revolution was long coming in this country. I am envious that the GOP had their revolution, but the Dems have not. They still need one, in my opinion.

(Besides Trump being the revolutionary, I'm also not happy with the nationalistic component of the GOP revolution though. Not at all).
 
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I left the Dems many years ago, for probably many of the same reasons why you don't like them. I only returned several months ago, in response to Trump - sad to say. However, for much of my earlier life I was a relatively happy Dem, though we were old-school Dems that today would be more like the current Blue Dogs.

We were Catholic, socially & personally fiscally conservative, staunchly traditional family oriented, anti-abortion, liked to keep a gun around the house, and no one we knew would ever admit to taking any form of public assistance even if their life depended upon it. I'm still of that mold in my personal life. But these types of Dems are now a rarity in the party.

Anyway, a populist revolution was long coming in this country. I am envious that the GOP had their revolution, but the Dems have not. They still need one, in my opinion.

(Besides Trump being the revolutionary, I'm also not happy with the nationalistic component of the GOP revolution though. Not at all).

Let me get back to this tomorrow...and give your post the attention it deserves.
G'nite.
 
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The "fatal" mistake dems made was to become "champions" of groups: women, blacks, gays, pro-choice, immigrants, "poor", old, etc. etc. etc.
You name it, the dems would create it, until we were all divided into groups ... except for white, hetrosexual working men, there is no group for them.

Dems are now in a perpetual state of "pleasing" each group individually instead of addressing them all as one group: Americans.
I agree. Which is why I left the party for a very long time, returning just a few months ago as a reaction to Trump.

I had a long history with the Dems. The reason for Dem success with minorities and other cultures in the early post-civil-rights era, was that they seemed to present a universal American message that attracted diversity because of it's universal appeal, not because of targeting minorities directly. That message in essence was freedom, liberty, equal opportunity, and a fair wage for a fair day's work. And that message was universal enough to attract a broad and diverse swatch of America.

Somehow it went from minority and diverse groups embracing the party's natural universal message, to the party pursuing minorities and diversity instead. They went from the natural diversity that is attracted by universal values, to actively pursuing diversity. At least that's what I believe I saw occur over the years.
 
Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Let me get back to this tomorrow...and give your post the attention it deserves.
G'nite.
Have a good night!
 
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I agree. Which is why I left the party for a very long time, returning just a few months ago as a reaction to Trump.

I had a long history with the Dems. The reason for Dem success with minorities and other cultures in the early post-civil-rights era, was that they seemed to present a universal American message that attracted diversity because of it's universal appeal, not because of targeting minorities directly. That message in essence was freedom, liberty, equal opportunity, and a fair wage for a fair day's work. And that message was universal enough to attract a broad and diverse swatch of America.

Somehow it went from minority and diverse groups embracing the party's natural universal message, to the party pursuing minorities and diversity instead. They went from the natural diversity that is attracted by universal values, to actively pursuing diversity. At least that's what I believe I saw occur over the years.

I think the trouble started in the 1970s with the failed election of George McGovern.
 
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I think the trouble started in the 1970s with the failed election of George McGovern.
That's an interesting thought.
 
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I advocate reading Stayin’ Alive: the 1970s and the last days of the working class by Jefferson cowie.
Hey United, thanks for this recommendation! The Amazon reviews look great, and it seems exactly the kind of book I like, especially the main era.

BTW, did you see this yet? A networks show set in '72, about growing up during this (turbulent) time? Apparently, it's loosely autobiographical.


 
Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Hey United, thanks for this recommendation! The Amazon reviews look great, and it seems exactly the kind of book I like, especially the main era.

BTW, did you see this yet? A networks show set in '72, about growing up during this (turbulent) time? Apparently, it's loosely autobiographical.




I have not seen that.

Would it surprise you that the head of the afl-cio, George meanie actually hated George McGovern, and that organized labor was the largest opposition in the 1972 democratic primary and general election. Also the Democratic Party was divided into political infighting after the divisive 1968 democratic convention.
 
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I have not seen that.

Would it surprise you that the head of the afl-cio, George meanie actually hated George McGovern, and that organized labor was the largest opposition in the 1972 democratic primary and general election. Also the Democratic Party was divided into political infighting after the divisive 1968 democratic convention.
No, it wouldn't. I'm tangentially aware of much of this, but it's things I either forgot or grew distant from, or only knew superficially.

The blue-collar union working-class guys of that era were all Dems, but they were pretty damn conservative compared to the Dems of today. I grew-up with guys exactly like that. I described this in my earlier post to Trix. These guys developed an intense hatred of the hippies and younger college-age generation.

It was a complex hatred, with the anti-war movement being a big part. Many of these middle-aged guys had fought in Korea, and their fathers in The Big One. The idea of dodging the draft, burning your draft card, or demonstrating against the war, was utterly repulsive to them. They also couldn't stand long hair, or the sexual and intoxicant freedoms and lifestyle the college kids were enjoying. And while they worked their often monotonous, dreary, repetitive job, they also were envious & resentful of the college kids that came from more solid-middle-class or upper-middle-class backgrounds, who then started jobs as their management in the clean and comfortable air-conditioned offices at half their age and higher pay.

Conversely, many college kids saw the blue-collar guys as uneducated, close-minded, backwards, behind the times, and perhaps not very bright. They looked down upon them, and ridiculed them. This only added to the blue-collar resentment against them.

So yeah, I saw & felt this mutual disgust very clearly during this time - from both sides of the street (I was both college bound, and of humble working-class roots living in an industrialized neighborhood).

Now it still managed to come together for Carter, since Ford was heavily burdened by both his pardon to, and association with, Nixon. But it then splintered very badly with the Reagan Democrats. I think that's when the point of no-return was hit. My first Presidential vote was for Reagan, while I was a very active registered Democrat doing precinct work for the Dems on the local ward level. My entire family voted for him, along with much of the neighborhood. We were all Democrats, as were nearly all of our neighbors. We did what we had to do locally to appease our precinct captain and the ward office, but we pulled the lever for Reagan at the top of the ticket. It's something I regret until today.

His first real act as President was to bust-up PATCO, the air traffic controllers' union. I was - and still am - a staunch union supporter. He then turned his sights on hyper-prosecuting the War on Drugs. I am against criminalizing drug use. I did not vote for him in '84. I felt duped.
 
Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

No, it wouldn't. I'm tangentially aware of much of this, but it's things I either forgot or grew distant from, or only knew superficially.

The blue-collar union working-class guys of that era were all Dems, but they were pretty damn conservative compared to the Dems of today. I grew-up with guys exactly like that. I described this in my earlier post to Trix. These guys developed an intense hatred of the hippies and younger college-age generation.

It was a complex hatred, with the anti-war movement being a big part. Many of these middle-aged guys had fought in Korea, and their fathers in The Big One. The idea of dodging the draft, burning your draft card, or demonstrating against the war, was utterly repulsive to them. They also couldn't stand long hair, or the sexual and intoxicant freedoms and lifestyle the college kids were enjoying. And while they worked their often monotonous, dreary, repetitive job, they also were envious & resentful of the college kids that came from more solid-middle-class or upper-middle-class backgrounds, who then started jobs as their management in the clean and comfortable air-conditioned offices at half their age and higher pay.

Conversely, many college kids saw the blue-collar guys as uneducated, close-minded, backwards, behind the times, and perhaps not very bright. They looked down upon them, and ridiculed them. This only added to the blue-collar resentment against them.

So yeah, I saw & felt this mutual disgust very clearly during this time - from both sides of the street (I was both college bound, and of humble working-class roots living in an industrialized neighborhood).

Now it still managed to come together for Carter, since Ford was heavily burdened by both his pardon to, and association with, Nixon. But it then splintered very badly with the Reagan Democrats. I think that's when the point of no-return was hit. My first Presidential vote was for Reagan, while I was a very active registered Democrat doing precinct work for the Dems on the local ward level. My entire family voted for him, along with much of the neighborhood. We were all Democrats, as were nearly all of our neighbors. We did what we had to do locally to appease our precinct captain and the ward office, but we pulled the lever for Reagan at the top of the ticket. It's something I regret until today.

His first real act as President was to bust-up PATCO, the air traffic controllers' union. I was - and still am - a staunch union supporter. He then turned his sights on hyper-prosecuting the War on Drugs. I am against criminalizing drug use. I did not vote for him in '84. I felt duped.

Oh, back when politics was comparatively straightforward:
  • Comfortable, "corporate" and/or "white collar" --> One was a Republican.
    • Everyone else --> A Democrat.
  • "Nobody'd" heard of the "Southern Strategy."
  • Most folks outside D.C. thought Johnson wasn't a racist and few realized that Kennedy wasn't so much "for" minorities as he was merely indifferent about minorities because no matter what social, legal or political concessions they obtained, they were no threat to the patrician class to which he belonged.
 
Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Well there's a difference between the problems Stormy costs in political terms, versus the cost in legal exposure and in personal, business, and family life.

- I believe Stormy, and the associated cover-up, cost Trump at least some Indies. We've seen them moving away from him. The GOP and supporters won't care though; they're beyond reacting.

- But legal exposure is a whole 'nuther world! Cohen is actively cooperating, and so is the Trump org's CFO. And also importantly, the Trump org books have been opened. I believe Cohen and Weisselberg have the possibility to cause severe legal exposure for Trump. In fact, I'd bet my bottom dollar on it. I don't see it as "may", but as "quite likely".

- Then there the personal toll. Melania finding-out about Trump's cheating on her after the baby could not have been a good thing, no matter how you cut it.

So Stormy has indeed already inflicted a great deal of pain & problems here, outside of any possible political costs.


Good for her. She inflicted pain on a woman who did nothing to her. Good job.
 
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I think the trouble started in the 1970s with the failed election of George McGovern.
Started January 22, 1973

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Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Stormy may have lost the defamation suit, but she got Trump's fixer-lawyer who may even lead up to Trump. She ain't doing half bad, to be honest.
Stormy Daniels = Larry Sinclair

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Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

That's nonsense. Republicans were determined to push Kavanaugh's confirmation through, and virtually nothing was going to stop it.



Lying like that is a normal everyday occurrence for Trump. And none on the right are embarrassed by it that I've seen.



It's not my movement. That behavior has worked spectacularly for Trump, why don't you think it will also work for Avenatti? Sounds like you think liberals are too smart to fall for the lies the conservatives fall for daily.



Me too. Every encounter he makes Trump an even bigger laughing stock around the world, and brings LOLs to billions of people as we all laugh at Trump, and by association those who support him. That's a good thing imo.

Avenatti is about the slimiest creature imaginable. He uses poor Stormy to cash in with his innumerable TV appearances while she has to tour the strip club circuit. He's no better than a pimp. Then he digs up some other congenital liar to make outlandish charges against Kavanaugh. He should be disbarred. All normal and sensible people see this. Only the Trump haters see him as some hero. But that's all good. Keep trotting him out and making him your spokesman. Heck, run him for President. Then Trump can crush him like the insect he is.
 
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I left the Dems many years ago, for probably many of the same reasons why you don't like them. I only returned several months ago, in response to Trump - sad to say. However, for much of my earlier life I was a relatively happy Dem, though we were old-school Dems that today would be more like the current Blue Dogs.

We were Catholic, socially & personally fiscally conservative, staunchly traditional family oriented, anti-abortion, liked to keep a gun around the house, and no one we knew would ever admit to taking any form of public assistance even if their life depended upon it. I'm still of that mold in my personal life. But these types of Dems are now a rarity in the party.

Anyway, a populist revolution was long coming in this country. I am envious that the GOP had their revolution, but the Dems have not. They still need one, in my opinion.

(Besides Trump being the revolutionary, I'm also not happy with the nationalistic component of the GOP revolution though. Not at all).

Back to this post...:)

I was a Democrat my entire life, a union supporter... most of my family remains civil servants, except for my husband, (who is a retired physician). I still am and will continue to be an ardent proponent of Gay marriage, womens' right to autonomy, (even though I am personally pro-life-I am RC in faith), but that's another thread to discuss the reasons why I hold these views, but I digress. I have since come to believe that Gay marriage and women's rights are more libertarian tenets. So I lean toward classical liberalism... The government needs to stay out of our lives and stop being our moral compass? That is what brought me to where I am today. I also think the religious have a right to bake a cake for whomever without being fined or put in jail. We don't need a living constitution. We need to rule from the bench. Delighted with Trump's SC picks. Scalia said, "the constitution is not a living organism, it's a legal document." Saw the Democrats try to say something differently, and that turned me off.

I wavered a few more years after having voted for Bill Clinton twice. I voted for Gore... and then I started to be concerned about too much government in our lives, high taxes, deficits, and the play of identity politics the left was using was a turn off. I started to question if the Democrat's policies were helping or hindering...I finally decided they weren't helping and the cost did not justify the policy. Maybe I hadn't realized all this when I was voting for the candidates with the D after their names, but something happened to me when I finally started to pay attention to the purposeful division the Democrats were propagating in this country...Since then, it's only gotten worse.

After Obama was elected is when I really started to pay attention to the harm the Progressive left was doing to our country. So out there... so divisive, and too many social justice warriors, including our CIC. They became more interested in telling others how they should think that they forgot why they were elected. People were turned off by a divisive sjw, Obama. A personable eloquent speaker, but way too concerned with being politically correct to a fault, and that turned many off. Obama, unknowingly, set the stage for Trump who tapped into the concerns of the right wing who had enough of the left's PC nonsense. One example of the PC nonsense,... if you want strong border control, you must hate brown people.
Plus, people really wanted a better economy and better job prospects. Many workers felt ignored by Obama. Many people thought Obama should have paid more attention to protecting Americans, rather than apologizing for Americans.

Interesting that you say the Dems need a revolution. I've been thinking this for a long time. Not that we need to go more to the left crazy type of awakening, but they do need a leader to help them find their way back to the center again.

I think the nationalistic component of the GOP is way overblown... Heck, if you listened to the DP peeps, we're all card carrying white supremacists, racist Neo Nazis, xenophobic, sexists, Islamophobic, rape apologists. Take a good look at that last sentence... I summed up perfectly why Trump won. People tired of being told they were a basket of deplorables, and Trump tapped into their concern. The left needs to ditch race, women, Nazi cards if they ever want to be taken seriously again...

Anyway, just a few thoughts.
 
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Avenatti is the gift that keeps on giving. I think the Dems should keep him front and center. How about a Warren-Avenatti ticket?:thumbs:
I hear Avenatti's getting ready to claim he's 1/2048th Cherokee so the ticket can count on the Native American vote.
 
Re: Judge tosses Stormy Daniels' defamation suit against Trump

Nothing illegal about the NDA. Period.

Never said there was.
Nice pile of straw.
 
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I do believe you. Why wouldn't I? We all have things we hold strong. I wanted Clinton impeached after what he did in the Oval Office. I felt he desecrated hallow ground. That was my problem, there. Along with his abusing his position over a subordinate intern. In these terms, Hillary and Melania have suffered the same fate at the hands of their husbands. And if Melania stays with Trump after they leave office, she'll be of the same cloth as Hillary - have no doubt about that. And I'll respect her a bit less, as I did Hillary.

As to Trump accomplishing a lot for his supporters, I do substantively agree. He hyperbolic inflates everything he does, and he lies about much of it, but he does at least nudge things in his supporters' direction, and in some cases like SCOTUS he really delivers. So I could see some of his supporters being conflicted in not liking the man, but liking what he's trying to do.

But just imagine this: If some of his supporters are unhappy with his behavioral actions, imagine what it's like for those of us that additionally don't like his policy? Yeah, it's not a happy place to be. Plus he demonizes us and treats us like dogs. And his supporters love it.

If Romney or Rubio were in office and doing policy I don't like, I doubt I'd be reacting the way I am towards Trump. In fact, I'm sure of it. Some of us just see him as dangerous and derogatory. It's much more than policy. I never reacted this was to any President besides Nixon. And I feel Trump is worse ...
Bolded = And of course, those on the left are so courteous and respective of those of us on the right - particularly LEADERS off the left. :roll:
 
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So Trump does not sign the contract and doesn't use his name and the contract is good? What's the judge smoking? This wouldn't even pass muster in my business law class!

Contract Law 101 as I recall from college:

With certain exceptions - usually involving real estate - contracts do not need to be signed nor do they need to be in writing. And if they are in writing and signed the signer doesn't necessarily have to be one of the parties to the contract.
 
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She's not self-respecting. She did it for the money. That makes her a whore.

Is anyone who does something for money a whore?
 
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Thanks for the kind words, Trix. I appreciate your insight and thoughts, too.

I don't think we've ever had such a polarizing President in modern times. Though I must admit, Nixon was despised by the young (mostly Dem) generation. Really despised. I never thought I'd see it again, but here we are it seems.
I think Trump is more polarizing because he didn't come up through the politician minor leagues and learn all the double talk, and dissembling, and the ability to say a lot of words with out saying anything meaningful. And he's not part of the "go along to get along" good ol' boys network. Unlike most of them he doesn't hide his self-aggrandizement and boastfulness. And, of course, his every faux pas and misstatement receives instantaneous world wide coverage from a media that is 90+ percent opposed to him.
 
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