Senator Warren Rebuked By Cherokee Nation

Who cares about Sen Warrens heritage. It’s a waste of time. If anything her ideology is the problem,not which tribe she associates with...

Don't expect to read this Cherokee response in WaPo or the NYT, nor to see it on CNN or MSNBC:]

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is prove. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."

- Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin, Jr.

DamnYankee said:

Sen. Warren's DNA is useless, according to the Cherokee Nation. Essentially, the Cherokee want Warren to shut up. Will she? Of course not. Leftists never know when to shut up.

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-new...nt-on-sen-elizabeth-warren-s-dna-test-results

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It's really killing you guys that you were wrong about her, isn't it?

Captain Adverse said:

And I think it is hilarious when Progressives and other Leftists dismiss the statements of minority groups (as in this case the Cherokee Nation) because it does not suit their narratives. :doh

So it should be "awesome" to see how "Progressive-Liberals and other Social Justice advocates" all of a sudden STOP caring what North American "Indians" (proper term Amerindians, or in this case Native Americans) have to say because it opposes someone they support. :coffeepap:

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But she never claimed to qualify as a tribal citizen. And if she only took the DNA test to answer Trump's claim.

Moreover, what's your point? She's dishonest? And what about John Barron...err...John Miller...err...Donald Trump? It would be great if you honestly valued honesty and disqualified both of them.

This entire issue is absurd given the pathological liar who is using it.

I'm shocked by the lack of critical thinking in this country. A pathological liar accuses someone of lying and his followers never question that. That's like Bill Clinton accusing Trump of womanizing. Imagine how crazy Bill Clinton supporters would have to be to go along with that level of absurdity.

Cardinal said:

It's really killing you guys that you were wrong about her, isn't it?

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100% correct. She lied.

my god...what am I doing?!
Yes lefties, warren is a native american. There now that shes off the hook can you please...pretty please ensure she is your presidential pick to run against Trump for president?. She has it all, shes a native American from europe, shes a woman...I think, and shes a far leftist...what more could the left ask for?

DamnYankee said:

Sen. Warren's DNA is useless, according to the Cherokee Nation. Essentially, the Cherokee want Warren to shut up. Will she? Of course not. Leftists never know when to shut up.

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What exactly is/was Dr. Warren's declaration re: her Native American (NA) ancestry? AFAIK, she has said "she grew up with family stories about both grandparents on her mother’s side having some Cherokee or Delaware blood."

• Did she assert membership in or that she's a member of a specific NA tribe, namely the Cherokee tribe? No.
• Did she assert merely having NA ancestry? Yes.

Having watched Skip Gates' show, I think many folks' family lore tells of NA ancestry, yet DNA tests show no trace whatsoever of NA ancestry. In Warren's case, DNA testing shows she has some NA ancestry, albeit from quite a long time ago.

As goes what the Cherokee people have said:

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  [*=1]I can see they said:
  [*=2]"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person's ancestors were indigenous to North or South America. Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong."
  [*=1]I can see what the DNA analyst said:
  [*=2]"The analysis also identified 5 genetic segments as NA in origin at high confidence."
  [*=1]I can see what the definition of "Native American" is; it lacks continental specificity within the western hemisphere.

If one has five Native American DNA segments, those segments must have come from some Native American ancestor.


My assessment for the time being:

• Accurate --> Dr. Warren's attestation that she has NA ancestry.
• Accurate --> Cherokee Nation claim that "tribal affiliation" (in the sense of a political and cultural thing, as contrasted with having NA genetic ancestry) isn't a matter of what a DNA test reveals. DNA testing can no more pinpoint one's ancestors' cultural/political tribal affiliations than it can whether anyone's ancestors were Democrat, Republican, Federalists, Jacobins, or other political unit.
• Dubious to partly accurate; misleading either way --> Cherokee people's declaration about the limits of DNA testing's ability to pinpoint a specific tribal association.
  • It seems some NA affiliations are genetic, whereas others are not genetic and are little other than political classifications. Accordingly, some DNA testing has been able to trace ancestry to NA tribes such as Cherokee, Shawnee and Powhatan lineage. (The reference from the prior link comes from an organization having a commercial interest in the tests used being able to identify tribe-specific ancestries.)
    • AFAIK, DNA tracing can sometimes but not always (particularly for Southeastern U.S. tribes) reveal the geography associated with some DNA markers.
      • What the ancient DNA discovery tells us about NA ancestry
      • Genetic Variation and Population Structure in NAs
      • Genetic Diversity Among Five NA Tribes of Colombia
      • Patterns of Genetic Variation in NA
      • Mysterious link emerges between NAs and people half a globe away -- Given what we know of the track ancient migrants followed when dispersing throughout the western hemisphere, it's no surprise that a specific tribal connection can't always be identified.
        
        
        
• Presumably accurate --> Warren's declaration her family lore tells of having either Cherokee or Delaware ancestors.
• Indeterminate --> To what Native American tribe Warren's ancestors belonged.
• Clear to me --> Much of this controversy stems from using outward appearance as a proxy for genetic ancestry.

Off-Topic:

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  [*=1]How white supremacists respond when their DNA says they’re not ‘white’
  [*=1]These Twins Will Make You Rethink Race
  [*=1]"One drop" rule

Cardinal said:

It's really killing you guys that you were wrong about her, isn't it?

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We have always been right about Warren. She's a straight up far leftist nut-burger. The best thing she ought to have done was shut up and let it all go away, but, she's a leftist and we all know they can't keep their pie holes closed. :lol:

DamnYankee said:

We have always been right about Warren.

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Well except for the part that you were completely wrong about her.

DamnYankee said:

ROTFL, yeah it's like 1/1024. No more indian than your average leftist schmuck.

If I were DJT, I'd pay her a million just to shut the hell up.

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But he wont pay, and he got played by Warren. The Right can spin this all they want. But to the average American the perception is Trump got played and will will welch on his promise.

DamnYankee said:

We have always been right about Warren. She's a straight up far leftist nut-burger. The best thing she ought to have done was shut up and let it all go away, but, she's a leftist and we all know they can't keep their pie holes closed. :lol:

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Speaking of pie hole. Trump needs to pay up or shut up! But he keeps opening that pie hole and looking like the clown most of the world knows he is, roll on election day !!

yankintx said:

Speaking of pie hole. Trump needs to pay up or shut up!

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she has less native american blood than the average white American.