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Will Trump donate the Million he promised?

RAMOSS said:
Ah. So, you are using assumptions, and derogatory nick names in your response, yet not providing any evidence, or refuting the evidence given that you are promoting claims that have been shown to be false.
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Again, I don't believe that they are false. I believe Pocahontas is a liar and a nasty woman. Feel free to believe as you wish as well.
 
RileyCoyote said:
Again, I don't believe that they are false. I believe Pocahontas is a liar and a nasty woman. Feel free to believe as you wish as well.
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Yet, you have not been able to show that the evidence that shows that they are false is incorrect. Sweeping things under the rug and ignoring it, and attempting to deflect, and ignore won't make that information go away. Saying 'I don't believe it' is hardly a response that shows intellectual prowess.
 
The Stanford University researcher who studied Sen Elizabeth Warren’s (D-MA) DNA sample did not actually use samples of Native American DNA.
The Boston Globe broke the story Monday of Warren’s DNA test, which she and the newspaper claimed as proof of her Native American ancestry, after results suggested she may have had a Native American ancestor six to ten generations ago. That means her genome may be between 1/64 to 1/1024 percent Native American.

Buried deep within the Globe story, however, is the admission that the Stanford University researcher who studied her DNA sample did not actually use samples of Native American DNA to determine whether Warren’s dubious claims of Cherokee ancestry were true.
 
independentusa said:
There is a video of a Trump rally where he promises to donate a million dollars to any charity Warren chooses if she will take a DNA test and prove she is part Native American. First to end the lie told by many on the GOP side, she did not use this fact to get into college, it did not happen. She casually mentioned it at a meeting she was attending and the Cons took it from there with all kinds of conspiracy theories. To get back to the question, she did take the test and she is part Native American, somewhere between 1/32nd and 1/512th Native American. When asked about the promise he made at the rally which is on video, Trump of course says he never made that promise. Gee, Trump lied, a first ever lie by him I am sure. So, should Trump live up to his promise and make the million dollar donation?
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Unless he is willing to pay for a second opinion, yes he should pay up. What charity do you think she will choose?
 
independentusa said:
Two words, Trump cultist
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Big deal, is this supposed to cause me to change my opinions? Lol. Guilty as charged. I love Trump and what he is doing for this country, he's the only President I have ever been proud to vote for. He makes me laugh the way he causes the left to set their hair on fire each and every day. What I love most is how he has undone all of Obama's executive orders, and wiped out his horrible legacy. He makes Obama look like the dumbest asshole on the planet and makes his worshippers cry big, fake tears by making America great again! Go Trump!
 
independentusa said:
Oh yes, but you don't seem able to see the BS coming out of the mouth of Trump on a regular basis. Two words, Trump cultist comes to mind. I can read a post and see exactly who are Trump cultists, every time!!!!!
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And that jibberish pertains to how that Tufts researcher demolished thos stupid DNA tests how?

Yeah we al know Trump's a loudmouth.
But lest' face it, any time he cane get under an annoying liberal like Elizabet
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
This video should settle the issue for all but the most ardent Trump cult members.



Her parent's marriage was opposed because her mother's family was supposedly part native American. That family story was the basis for her belief. Trump cult members have no problem accepting all of Trump's lies and then they attack others for lying even when the evidence clearly shows it wasn't a lie.
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Did you read what you wrote? Did not know that "supposedly" was proof.

IF and how much is evidently being debated:

The Boston Globe issued a correction Monday after inaccurately calculating the percentage of Native American ancestry in Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s DNA.

After years of skepticism about Warren’s claim that she is at least part Cherokee, the Democratic Sen. from Massachusetts recently released the results of a DNA test. The test provided “strong evidence” that Warren has a Native American ancestor dating back six to 10 generations.

The Boston Globe originally claimed that this put Warren at somewhere between 1/32 and 1/512 Native American.

However, the Globe admitted in a correction that the upper bound of Warren’s Native American ancestry is actually 1/1024. This would make Warren somewhere between .09 and 3 percent Native American.
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https://dailycaller.com/2018/10/15/boston-globe-elizabeth-warren-native-american-correction/

Listed further in the article are two things of interest.

In 1996, the Harvard Crimson referred to Warren as a Native American, and in 1997, a Fordham Law Review article described her as Harvard Law’s “first woman of color.”

According to previous reporting by The Daily Caller, “Warren later acknowledged that Harvard had singled her out as a Native American professor because she identified herself as a minority in an Association of American Law Schools directory from 1986-1994. She stopped listing herself as such when she gained tenure at Harvard.”
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and -

"The Cherokee tribe does not accept DNA tests as proof of ancestry."
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All that said, I think Trump should donate the money he said, he has it, it would be deductible in part and it would give him a big ratings boost.
 
JustHanging said:
Of course it won't.

Trump has done the most despicable things, and his base still supports him. Why would lying about contributing to charity matter?
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He is all about making money not giving any away. His record for charitable donations is pretty dismal from I have read. He prefers to try and milk people, not help them.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
Its 1/1024 according to the Boston Globe
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/po...rican-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

That's less than a thousandth of a percent.
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Which is simply guessing. Also, Native American DNA and Native American Ancestry are not the same thing. Warren could somehow have some N.A. ancestry without having it show up in DNA. I think what people have a problem with are claims she made based solely on family legends as opposed to anything more concrete.

Roots & Recombinant DNA: NATIVE AMERICAN DNA Is Just Not That Into You
 
independentusa said:
Like I said, any excuse will do for a Trump Cultist. And Trump isn't saying that she did not prove him wrong, he is saying he never made the promise. Like I said, Trump is a liar.
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I'm not a Trump cultist. I am a biologist well versed in genetics. Anyone who claims they can prove ancestry back more than 5 generations (like say to Jefferson) is lying. You can exclude heritage but you cannot prove heritage back that far. The evidence of this was provided to the courts years ago whereby the bar for claiming heritage was set at 5 generations or 1/32nd. This is back to one's great great great grandparents. Her results indicate nothing beyond the fact she is not more closely related to Cherokee or any other Native American ancestor than 5 generations. It doesn't conclude or exclude heritage further back.
 
Well some posts back I said President Trump should pay up. But now it appears that the DNA 'expert' didn't even use any Native American samples in his analysis, and his conclusion was something like a thousandth of one percent Native American which is far less than virtually all Americans of European descent test, certainly not enough to claim ANY Native American heritage.

So I change my vote. If President Trump owes her anything, he owes her one thousandth of one percent of a million dollars. I don't have the energy to do the math to see how much that would be though. But I suspect it is pretty close to her owing him. :)
 
Trump does not have to pay anything because he never said he would, that is how the media chose to portray a hypothetical scenario he was putting forth at the time.

He said it and it was at a campaign rally on July 5, 2017. it was in jest and hypothetical.

You can listen for themselves and not just read what every one is hyping, here is the link with the video where he puts forth the hypothetical scenario. It starts at about the 58 second mark, it starts with the words "lets say I am debating Pocahontas" That is the start of a hypothetical, anyone should understand that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA9OAM9coS4
 
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