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Thanks for not raping us, all you ‘good men.’ But it’s not enough.

Kal'Stang said:
Agreed Master. I will do just this very thing! I know that I have taught my son well and am sure that he also will do this willingly and without any hesitation! If however he has strayed I will be sure to hold him down myself to make sure that no woman will ever face his toxic masculinity!
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Good boy! What a good boy!
 
JMR said:
Please.excuse.my.broken.spacebar....

One.thing.that.comes.to.mind.that.they.could.do.is.not.excuse.blatant.celebration.of.sexual.assault.such.as.our.current.POTUS.on.tape......They.could.say.such.behavior.is.disqualifying.for.public.servants.
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You're getting into that whole "guilty because of your gender" thing. Nowhere did the author say her husband condoned sexual assault in any way.
 
What an absurd piece, Rush was talking about this today and I thought he was making **** up...

Nope.
 
Lutherf said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/10/12/thanks-not-raping-us-all-you-good-men-its-not-enough/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95cb224c2bc8

This seems to be what the author is pissed off about -


At the risk of being yelled at, if I'm a good guy and I don't assault women the odds are that I don't hang around with guys that do assault women. That being the case, I really don't have anyone to yell at. I suppose I could go around yelling at random people who look like they might be a sexual predator but if I did that then I would no longer be a good guy. I'd be a lunatic.

I'm not really sure what the author expects men to do. Heck, I'm not sure that the author knows what SHE expects men to do.
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You would never know if someone did, unless it came out in discussions. So perhaps you have friends that did or did not. Truth be told, you really do not know what anyone did when younger.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
It took me about 15 years to learn my lessons.... the day my wife filed divorce papers on me a light went off.
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I think its the dogs myself.
 
JMR said:
Please.excuse.my.broken.spacebar....

One.thing.that.comes.to.mind.that.they.could.do.is.not.excuse.blatant.celebration.of.sexual.assault.such.as.our.current.POTUS.on.tape......They.could.say.such.behavior.is.disqualifying.for.public.servants.
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Men have not blatantly excused or celebrated sexual assault, including our president.
Ford's story was simply unbelievable. People, both men and women, have a right to come to their own conclusions without having a stamp of approval put upon it by the left.
 
JANFU said:
And that is all you got out of it- he should walk out on her, really- read it again.
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No need to. I stand by what I said.

However if you think what she said is correct perhaps you can frame what you think is correct about her rant.
 
nota bene said:
Why, yes. She writes [bolding mine]:

This was 30 minutes of from-the-gut yelling. Triggered by a small, thoughtless, dismissive, annoyed, patronizing comment. Really small. A micro-wave that triggered a hurricane. I blew. Hard and fast. And it terrified me. I’m still terrified by what I felt and what I said. I am almost 70 years old. I am a grandmother. Yet in that roiling moment, screaming at my husband as if he represented every clueless male on the planet (and I every angry woman of 2018), I announced that I hate all men and wish all men were dead. If one of my grandchildren yelled something that ridiculous, I’d have to stifle a laugh.
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She's totally off the rails.
I pity anyone who thinks her behavior is acceptable.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No need to. I stand by what I said.

However if you think what she said is correct perhaps you can frame what you think is correct about her rant.
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Stand and sink without understanding her.
50 years married and you would walk out? Really
Ya think they did not get thru 50 years without one or the other letting it all out?
She praised her husband as well
And again you would walk out. What a dumb comment.
Yes I expect points

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...-enough/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95cb224c2bc8

My husband of 50 years did not have to stifle a laugh. He took it dead seriously. He did not defend his remark, he did not defend men. He sat, hunched and hurt, and he listened. For a moment, it occurred to me to be grateful that I’m married to a man who will listen to a woman. The winds calmed ever so slightly in that moment. And then the storm surge welled up in me as I realized the pathetic impotence of nice men’s plan to rebuild the wreckage by listening to women. As my rage rushed through the streets of my mind, toppling every memory of every good thing my husband has ever done (and there are scores of memories), I said the meanest thing I’ve ever said to him: Don’t you dare sit there and sympathetically promise to change. Don’t say you will stop yourself before you blurt out some impatient, annoyed, controlling remark. No, I said, you can’t change. You are unable to change. You don’t have the skills and you won’t do it. You, I said, are one of the good men. You respect women, you believe in women, you like women, you don’t hit women or rape women or in any way abuse women. You have applauded and funded feminism for a half-century. You are one of the good men. And you cannot change. You can listen all you want, but that will not create one iota of change.
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Based solely on that OP I feel sorry for her husband. Hopefully it isn’t indicative of how she normally treats him. He isn’t responsible for anyone’s behavior but his own and, arguably, his kids.
 
Lutherf said:
You're getting into that whole "guilty because of your gender" thing. Nowhere did the author say her husband condoned sexual assault in any way.
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You.quoted.this.yourself.in.the.OP....

In the centuries of feminist movements that have washed up and away, good men have not once organized their own mass movement to change themselves and their sons or to attack the mean-spirited, teasing, punching thing that passes for male culture. Not once.
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Trump.claimed.his.tape.was.male.culture....

I.don't.think.you.get.it.She.wants.men.to.see.that.male.culture.has.victims.
 
JANFU said:
Stand and sink without understanding her.
50 years married and you would walk out? Really
Ya think they did not get thru 50 years without one or the other letting it all out?
She praised her husband as well
And again you would walk out. What a dumb comment.
Yes I expect points

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...-enough/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95cb224c2bc8
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Doesn't matter how long they'd been together. If I found out my wife thought that little of me then yes, I would walk out.

And no, she didn't "praise" him. She acknowledged that he was a "good guy"....yet still blamed him for all the assholes out there. Still thinks he's complicit despite the facts that she acknowledged. There is nothing redeeming about her rant that blames every single "good guy" for the faults of assholes.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Based solely on that OP I feel sorry for her husband. Hopefully it isn’t indicative of how she normally treats him. He isn’t responsible for anyone’s behavior but his own and, arguably, his kids.
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This.

I have time and energy to make sure I and my family behave correctly. I have time and energy to put food on the table with enough leftover to do the things that actually make life worth living. I don't have time "organize" or police someone else's behavior or so any of that other crap and don't care to.

I know several people who are into "organizing" and spending lots of time on social issues that are important to them. Their families have suffered for their zeal.
 
trixare4kids said:
Men have not blatantly excused or celebrated sexual assault, including our president.
Ford's story was simply unbelievable. People, both men and women, have a right to come to their own conclusions without having a stamp of approval put upon it by the left.
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The.*****.grabbing.tape.was.blatant.celebration.of.sexual.assualt.....Later.declared.locker.room.talk.aka.male.culture.

I.did.not.mention.Ford.who.was.obviously.quite.credible.though.convenient.to.dismiss.by.right.wing.apologists.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
Based solely on that OP I feel sorry for her husband. Hopefully it isn’t indicative of how she normally treats him. He isn’t responsible for anyone’s behavior but his own and, arguably, his kids.
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Thank you!!!

I hope she did not raise sons... If she did, she probably spent their entire childhood emasculating them with her toxic masculinity bs.
 
To the article author:

If people raised their kids right what you are yelling about would not be an issue. If we had strong family units what you are yelling about would not be an issue.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Doesn't matter how long they'd been together. If I found out my wife thought that little of me then yes, I would walk out.

And no, she didn't "praise" him. She acknowledged that he was a "good guy"....yet still blamed him for all the assholes out there. Still thinks he's complicit despite the facts that she acknowledged. There is nothing redeeming about her rant that blames every single "good guy" for the faults of assholes.
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No she did not- she stated that even though he was a good man, nothing changed. And nothing has changed. But it is coming fast and hard. Women have had enough of being harassed, underpaid, and when they report sexual assault and it goes to trial, there behaviors are front and center- did you lead him on, how were you dressed, those are the points she was making

Next 50 years together, ya think they did not have a good relationship? And you would walk out- that is a BS reply.

Yet I see are people attacking her, and not listening to what she was saying. The pain and heartache. You just ignore it

Stand by what you say, educate yourself on what women in the workplace endure, that is just 1- the other would be sexual assault victims, what they endure in the public and the courts
 
JMR said:
The.*****.grabbing.tape.was.blatant.celebration.of.sexual.assualt.....Later.declared.locker.room.talk.aka.male.culture.

I.did.not.mention.Ford.who.was.obviously.quite.credible.though.convenient.to.dismiss.by.right.wing.apologists.
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As long as you weren't in the trailer, and nobody threatened you, why is it your business to deprive men of locker room talk? How does that kind of talk infringe on your rights?
Ford was not credible. Credible people back up their stories with facts. She couldn't. End of story...
 
JMR said:
The.*****.grabbing.tape.was.blatant.celebration.of.sexual.assualt.....Later.declared.locker.room.talk.aka.male.culture.

I.did.not.mention.Ford.who.was.obviously.quite.credible.though.convenient.to.dismiss.by.right.wing.apologists.
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No, actually it had nothing to do with assault. No matter how much anti-trumpers want it to be. "grab em by the *****" is just like "grab em by the balls". All he was simply saying is that you have to be bold and not shy. That's it. Sometimes men express themselves in aggressive ways. Ways that have been ingrained in them for thousands of years.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If I were that womans husband I would be seriously thinking about separating. When someone, ANYONE, acts like she claims to have acted it is good to separate yourself from them as they have become unhinged. The moment that someone started yelling at me like that, blaming me for things beyond my control, I would have walked out the door.
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This is verbal abuse and emotional abuse, full stop. Can you imagine for one minute a man publishing some self-cleansing article about screaming at his wife as she sat slunked and cowering, waiting for his fury to wane before she could move or breathe?
This is not "powerful" and it's certainly not justified.

I hope her husband insists on therapy for her, and marital therapy for them both.
 
JMR said:
You.quoted.this.yourself.in.the.OP....



Trump.claimed.his.tape.was.male.culture....

I.don't.think.you.get.it.She.wants.men.to.see.that.male.culture.has.victims.
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If you constantly look for victims in everything you see and do you're bound to find victims. The author even goes so far as to express that she recognizes she's abusing her husband....that he's an innocent VICTIM of her ire...but she still manages to find a way to turn it back on "an abusive male culture".

I understand that this might be a difficult concept for you to understand but it's part of being human that we sometimes make errors in judgement, sometimes hurt people unintentionally, and sometimes fail to act as others expect us to. We ALL do that from time to time but it doesn't make us "abusers" and it doesn't make us "rape apologists".
 
Lutherf said:
I'm not really sure what the author expects men to do. Heck, I'm not sure that the author knows what SHE expects men to do.
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She seems to infer that a society should be created with laws that protect it's citizens and grants them equality before the law.
You know, like those countries where she can speak like she does without fear of her husband giving her a smack in the mouth or calling the religious police on her.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Doesn't matter how long they'd been together. If I found out my wife thought that little of me then yes, I would walk out.

And no, she didn't "praise" him. She acknowledged that he was a "good guy"....yet still blamed him for all the assholes out there. Still thinks he's complicit despite the facts that she acknowledged. There is nothing redeeming about her rant that blames every single "good guy" for the faults of assholes.
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I think one can be a “good guy” and still be complicit in the perpetuation of rape culture.

I think the rant in the op is directed at men who need to be told something that should be self-evident: that there is something about male culture That is fundamentally toxic
 
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