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Trump could be the most honest president in modern history

Renae

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Don't get me wrong, Trump lies all the time. He said that he "enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history" (actually they are the eighth largest) and that "our economy is the strongest it's ever been in the history of our country" (which may one day be true, but not yet). In part, it's a New York thing -- everything is the biggest and the best.
But when it comes to the real barometer of presidential truthfulness -- keeping his promises -- Trump is a paragon of honesty. For better or worse, since taking office Trump has done exactly what he promised he would do.
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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...e-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history

The article lists the things Trump said "elect me, and I will this do" and he went and did those things. Like I've said repeatedly, I don't like Trump the person, I didn't vote for him and wish he'd shut the **** up 90% of the time.

But his actions, he's kept his word on his campaign promises far more so than any President I can think of. Most say lots of things, do less or just forget those promises. That is the part of the Trump Legacy I hope to see more politicians follow, actually... doing what you say you are going to do. The GOP could learn from that.
 
Renae said:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...e-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history

The article lists the things Trump said "elect me, and I will this do" and he went and did those things. Like I've said repeatedly, I don't like Trump the person, I didn't vote for him and wish he'd shut the **** up 90% of the time.

But his actions, he's kept his word on his campaign promises far more so than any President I can think of. Most say lots of things, do less or just forget those promises. That is the part of the Trump Legacy I hope to see more politicians follow, actually... doing what you say you are going to do. The GOP could learn from that.
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FOX News calling Trump the most honest.:lamo
 
Renae said:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...e-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history

The article lists the things Trump said "elect me, and I will this do" and he went and did those things. Like I've said repeatedly, I don't like Trump the person, I didn't vote for him and wish he'd shut the **** up 90% of the time.

But his actions, he's kept his word on his campaign promises far more so than any President I can think of. Most say lots of things, do less or just forget those promises. That is the part of the Trump Legacy I hope to see more politicians follow, actually... doing what you say you are going to do. The GOP could learn from that.
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Definitely the most transparent and easiest to talk too. If you want to talk about an issue, he's there. He's not a president blinded by politics.

Best example is prison reform and stopping stop and frisk. He is working very hard with Democrats and is on the verge of passing major prison reform.
 
Media_Truth said:
FOX News calling Trump the most honest.:lamo
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HE actually gives his reasons, but you didn't even bother just launched into fail lol's. Good job, you are consistent.
 
Renae said:
Don't get me wrong, Trump lies all the time. He said that he "enacted the biggest tax cuts and reforms in American history" (actually they are the eighth largest) and that "our economy is the strongest it's ever been in the history of our country" (which may one day be true, but not yet). In part, it's a New York thing -- everything is the biggest and the best.
But when it comes to the real barometer of presidential truthfulness -- keeping his promises -- Trump is a paragon of honesty. For better or worse, since taking office Trump has done exactly what he promised he would do.
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https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...e-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history

The article lists the things Trump said "elect me, and I will this do" and he went and did those things. Like I've said repeatedly, I don't like Trump the person, I didn't vote for him and wish he'd shut the **** up 90% of the time.

But his actions, he's kept his word on his campaign promises far more so than any President I can think of. Most say lots of things, do less or just forget those promises. That is the part of the Trump Legacy I hope to see more politicians follow, actually... doing what you say you are going to do. The GOP could learn from that.
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As I've always said, ACTIONS speak louder than words.

Having spent 1/3 of my life living in NYC I agree with the bolded part of your citation.

Trump puffs himself up like any salesman, everything the "Biggest" and "Best," trying to sell his product. But he has been working harder than many past Presidents to act on his campaign promises.

If people were given a chance to see Trump's actions reported fairly in the bulk of Main Stream Media, instead of all the negative reporting, I think even conservative-leaning and middle-of-the-road Democrats would has less ire with his Presidency.

IMO it is his actual success which the Left is trying to hide with all their allegations of Identity Politics and other social justice wrongdoing, making mountains out of molehills to cloud the issues.

If they didn't create these tempests in teapots, they would have no chance of winning re-election.
 
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Renae said:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...e-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history

The article lists the things Trump said "elect me, and I will this do" and he went and did those things. Like I've said repeatedly, I don't like Trump the person, I didn't vote for him and wish he'd shut the **** up 90% of the time.

But his actions, he's kept his word on his campaign promises far more so than any President I can think of. Most say lots of things, do less or just forget those promises. That is the part of the Trump Legacy I hope to see more politicians follow, actually... doing what you say you are going to do. The GOP could learn from that.
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This is what a populist does. They make happen the small things they promise that will keep the masses supportive. Precisely jobs and the economy are the keys here because that's what concerns most people. In the meantime as the populous is placated and happily waving their banners, a populist is given license to ravage the government by usurping the powers of others while gaining more for themselves. If Trump supporters could only stop being short-sighted and see beyond the $112 a month increase in their paycheck or the low unemployment numbers, perhaps they could see the deep and long-lasting carnage he's committing.
 
Don't get me wrong, Trump lies all the time.
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But when it comes to the real barometer of presidential truthfulness -- keeping his promises -- Trump is a paragon of honesty.
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Oh good lord :roll:

Why can't people just be honest. And I'm not saying this about only Trump supporters but people in general.

"I don't give a **** if he lies every minute of every day as long as he does what I want him to do enough of the time".

2 conservatives on the court, some poorly thought out tax cuts means he can lie with impunity all day long every day and we simply don't care one bit.

In reality, Trump has accomplished things that any other republican president could have accomplished with a republican congress. And they could have done it without being a national embarrassment. And without lying 24/7. This is the quintessential "well my man stays late at work most nights, but when I call his office he's not there and I found lipstick on his collar, but he's a good man and pays the rent and keeps food on the table."

Do yourself a favor. Don't try to twist it in to "he's actually very honest even though he lies constantly." Just admit reality. "He lies and I don't care as long as I get some of what I want. I will trash the FBI, I will scream to lock up anyone that gets in his way, I will trash the courts if a judge decides against him. He's my man and I'm sticking with him."
 
I have come to the conclusion that it is not Trump fulfilling promises that is an issue but more it's the smoke screen he constantly provides to the GoP so they can slide in sneaky changes they want for their donors which fly past Trump because he is too busy crowing about himself or golfing to understand how this government works.
 
HumblePi said:
This is what a populist does. They make happen the small things they promise that will keep the masses supportive. Precisely jobs and the economy are the keys here because that's what concerns most people. In the meantime as the populous is placated and happily waving their banners, a populist is given license to ravage the government by usurping the powers of others while gaining more for themselves. If Trump supporters could only stop being short-sighted and see beyond the $112 a month increase in their paycheck or the low unemployment numbers, perhaps they could see the deep and long-lasting carnage he's committing.
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Small things?
 
Renae said:
Small things?
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Taking into the context of long-lasting negative global effects and Constitutionality erosion, yes those are 'small things'.
 
Trump could be the most honest president in modern history

No.
 
HumblePi said:
Taking into the context of long-lasting negative global effects and Constitutionality erosion, yes those are 'small things'.
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Conjecture, and you give zero ****ing evidence or example just hyperbole
 
Renae said:
Read the artticle, not the headline.. Jeezum you're patently and intellectually dishonest.
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Not as much as Trump though

lol
 
Captain Adverse said:
As I've always said, ACTIONS speak louder than words.

Having spent 1/3 of my life living in NYC I agree with the bolded part of your citation.

Trump puffs himself up like any salesman, everything the "Biggest" and "Best," trying to sell his product. But he has been working harder than many past Presidents to act on his campaign promises.

If people were given a chance to see Trump's actions reported fairly in the bulk of Main Stream Media, instead of all the negative reporting, I think even conservative-leaning and middle-of-the-road Democrats would has less ire with his Presidency.

IMO it is his actual success which the Left is trying to hide with all their allegations of Identity Politics and other social justice wrongdoing, making mountains out of molehills to cloud the issues.

If they didn't create these tempests in teapots, they would have no chance of winning re-election.
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Insulting our allies
Starting trade wars
Increasing the deficit during prosperous times
Corruption (son-in-law loans from Qatar, using presidency to profit)
A White House in chaos with turnover

His successes are in your imagination. The people who work with him describe him as incompetent and that's what we all see.

You're so extremely partisan that you can't see reality objectively.

You can blame liberals and the press but I can't remember a president who has had so much negative commentary from people he hired who worked for him. He is not respected by his own staff. Yet so profound is your partisanship that somehow you think he's doing a great job.

Let's not forget that he was laughed at at the UN. Respect for the U.S., has never been lower around the world (except for Russia and Israel). You can't blame the liberal press for that.

And regarding keep campaign promises, I remember Trump promising something "better than Obamacare"

Let's test your objectivity. Did Trump fulfill his promise here? Has he ever put forward any kind of health care proposal?

 
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

TrumpvObama promises.jpg

Then we have

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...log.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.85d8454060a2

At least everyone thinks they know that. But it’s not true. In an article for the January/February issue of the Washington Monthly, political scientist Jonathan Bernstein argues that the evidence on this point is clear: “Presidents usually try to enact the policies they advocate during the campaign.”
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Bernstein relies on two studies from the 1980s to make his point. In 1984, Michael Krukones published “Promises and Performance: Presidential Campaigns as Policy Predictors,” and found that “about 75 percent of the promises made by presidents from Woodrow Wilson through Jimmy Carter were kept.” In 1985, Jeff Fishel published “Presidents and Promises: From Campaign Pledge to Presidential Performance,” which argued “that presidents invariably attempt to carry out their promises; the main reason some pledges are not redeemed is congressional opposition, not presidential flip-flopping.”

More recent evidence supports this view, too. Politifact.com has tracked more than 500 promises Barack Obama made during the 2008 presidential campaign. It found he has kept 161, passed a compromised version of another 50, and has either been rebuffed by Congress or is making progress toward another 239. In only 56 cases — about 10 percent — has Obama actually broken a promise, and in the biggest of those cases — ending the Bush tax cuts for families making more than $250,000 — there’s a good chance the promise will be kept when the tax cuts expire at the end of this year.

Even the elder Bush’s famed betrayal on taxes shows the importance of campaign promises. Bush, who was dealing with large deficits created, in part, by tax cuts passed by his predecessor, tried mightily to balance the budget using spending cuts. But Bush wasn’t a dictator, and Congress was controlled by Democrats. So Bush eventually compromised.
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So if we want to talk about "intellectual honesty", then Trump has thus far kept almost 14% of his campaign promises. Obama finished his term with about half, so we'll have to wait to see on what else Trump can deliver on. there is a long history of presidents keeping about 75% of their promises. So....most "honest" president in modern history? Likely not. He may get up to status-quo levels though.

lol

If he weren't out golfing all the time that is
 
Renae said:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...e-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history

The article lists the things Trump said "elect me, and I will this do" and he went and did those things. Like I've said repeatedly, I don't like Trump the person, I didn't vote for him and wish he'd shut the **** up 90% of the time.

But his actions, he's kept his word on his campaign promises far more so than any President I can think of. Most say lots of things, do less or just forget those promises. That is the part of the Trump Legacy I hope to see more politicians follow, actually... doing what you say you are going to do. The GOP could learn from that.
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Well, if you ignore the 5000-plus false and misleading statements he's made since inauguration alone, then sure, he's the most honest President ever.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, if you ignore the 5000-plus false and misleading statements he's made since inauguration alone, then sure, he's the most honest President ever.
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This is the Trumpeteer's intellectually dishonest spin. It doesn't matter that he lies all the time, that doesn't factor into his "honesty". What factors into his honesty are all the campaign promises he's keeping. Which stand at about 14% thus far. That 14% is what makes him the most honest.
 
News flash!


He's not.
 
Renae said:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mar...e-the-most-honest-president-in-modern-history

The article lists the things Trump said "elect me, and I will this do" and he went and did those things. Like I've said repeatedly, I don't like Trump the person, I didn't vote for him and wish he'd shut the **** up 90% of the time.

But his actions, he's kept his word on his campaign promises far more so than any President I can think of. Most say lots of things, do less or just forget those promises. That is the part of the Trump Legacy I hope to see more politicians follow, actually... doing what you say you are going to do. The GOP could learn from that.
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First, the subject is misleading. He clearly lies all the time. The article is on whether he kept or broke his promises.

Nice cherry picking from Fox, as usual, on that front.

Overall, Trump (so far) kept 14% of his promises. "Compormised" on ~7%. Broke 8%. Stalling on 32%. To be decided later: 40%.

If you care, for comparison, Obama kept 48% of his promises. "Compormised" on ~27%. Broke 24%.
 
I get what the article is saying, but it used a ill-fitting word to describe him. He is easily the least honest President I know of, but he follows through on his campaign promises more than any other President I know of as well. I’m not sure a word for that exists.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Insulting our allies
Starting trade wars
Increasing the deficit during prosperous times
Corruption (son-in-law loans from Qatar, using presidency to profit)
A White House in chaos with turnover

His successes are in your imagination. The people who work with him describe him as incompetent and that's what we all see.

You're so extremely partisan that you can't see reality objectively.

You can blame liberals and the press but I can't remember a president who has had so much negative commentary from people he hired who worked for him. He is not respected by his own staff. Yet so profound is your partisanship that somehow you think he's doing a great job.

Let's not forget that he was laughed at at the UN. Respect for the U.S., has never been lower around the world (except for Russia and Israel). You can't blame the liberal press for that.

And regarding keep campaign promises, I remember Trump promising something "better than Obamacare"

Let's test your objectivity. Did Trump fulfill his promise here? Has he ever put forward any kind of health care proposal?

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1. Yes, cause Obama didn't insult our allies either right?
2. Maybe, time will tell. I personally always felt we rolled over too much on trade.
3. HAHAHAH Dude the deficit's been going up for decades, don't even start that ****. I agree the deficit IS a huge problem and no I'm not happy with the state of the budget, but don't act like Trump is to blame here.
4. Corruption, serious charge, and if actual corruption is found the law needs to be applied.
5. Turn overs happen, Trump is a jerk and also not a politician he's a business man so he's going to run things different.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I get what the article is saying, but it used a ill-fitting word to describe him. He is easily the least honest President I know of, but he follows through on his campaign promises more than any other President I know of as well. I’m not sure a word for that exists.
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Really? see post #22.
 
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