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ICE Agents At Polling Places

Moderate Right said:
LOL. You totally and completely trust the government and even want more of it, as long as it is a government run by Democrats.
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Says the guy asking for big daddy government to watch over us even closer.
 
Deuce said:
Says the guy asking for big daddy government to watch over us even closer.
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National security is an important issue and it involves many different areas. I'm saying we have ICE agents already. All I'm saying is that we give them a day off at the office on election day and have them drink coffee and eat donuts and play with their cellphones at various pre-determined polling places while wearing their uniforms. They don't have to ask anyone anything or arrest anyone. I'm not talking about increasing the number of ICE agents.
 
Moderate Right said:
National security is an important issue and it involves many different areas. I'm saying we have ICE agents already. All I'm saying is that we give them a day off at the office on election day and have them drink coffee and eat donuts and play with their cellphones at various pre-determined polling places while wearing their uniforms. They don't have to ask anyone anything or arrest anyone. I'm not talking about increasing the number of ICE agents.
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National security is important, so let's have people important to national security do nothing useful for the day? Your real motivation is clear: you want to suppress liberal voter turnout and want to use federal resources to do it.
 
Visbek said:
Yes, I've seen that list. 1145 instances of fraud over 36 years! That's a whopping 31 cases a year. Few of those cases involved undocumented immigrants voting in elections.

In 2016, there were 123 million votes solely for the Presidential election, not including primary votes. The number of fraudulent votes is something like 0.00002% of the total.

Seriously, dude. That's effectively zero.



*bzzt* wrong. Try again.

First of all, we're not talking exclusively about ID. We're also talking about legitimate voters getting kicked off of registration rolls, and closing polling stations in minority neighborhoods. There is no question that those types of maneuvers discourages or blocks legitimate voters from exercising their rights.

Second, we are talking about cases where legislators deliberately designed laws to disenfranchise voters. E.g. in North Carolina, the legislators actually did research to figure out which types of identifications are most commonly used by whites, which are most commonly used by blacks, and used that to determine which forms of ID the law would require.

Along those lines, there is lots of research that these voter ID laws... wait for it... suppress minority votes. What a surprise. It's not like the US has a long history of disenfranchising minority voters or something.... *COUGH* Jim Crow laws *COUGH*

Third, last I checked there is no federal or state requirement to carry an ID at all times. We don't provide them for free, and they aren't always easy to get.

The reality is that these laws have very little to do with the non-problem of undocumented immigrants voting in elections, and a lot to do with disenfranchising minority voters.
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You must be tired from carrying those goalposts over and over.

Voter interference is illegal and should be prosecuted.

We have established this is a relatively unresearched subject as states fight tooth and nail to distribute the data. An argument could be made for them being on the right side of this as well.

No one is claiming widespread chaos yet. Even if 3 mill out of 300mill is not a large percentage however it is significant enough to look into.

So far the ones dissuading away voters were thugs with batons.

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akyron said:
You must be tired from carrying those goalposts over and over.

Voter interference is illegal and should be prosecuted.

We have established this is a relatively unresearched subject as states fight tooth and nail to distribute the data. An argument could be made for them being on the right side of this as well.

No one is claiming widespread chaos yet. Even if 3 mill out of 300mill is not a large percentage however it is significant enough to look into.

So far the ones dissuading away voters were thugs with batons.

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Voter interference must be stopped! Unless we get the government to do it for us, anyway.

If those men had worn cowboy hats and carried AR-15s you would have called them patriots. Well, if they were white
 
Deuce said:
Voter interference must be stopped! Unless we get the government to do it for us, anyway.

If those men had worn cowboy hats and carried AR-15s you would have called them patriots. Well, if they were white
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Actually they should be prosecuted as well.

Consistency check...check.

How do you propose "stopping" a behavior without negative consequences like "prosecuting"?

Oh and I am not white since you mistakenly dove into that hole as well.
 
akyron said:
Actually they should be prosecuted as well.

Consistency check...check.

How do you propose "stopping" a behavior without negative consequences like "prosecuting"?

Oh and I am not white since you mistakenly dove into that hole as well.
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The police did investigate the guys in that picture. Turns out they weren't intimidating anyone, they were standing around. Most witnesses described them as very polite. Why, did Fox News not show you the video of them holding doors open for old ladies?
 
Deuce said:
National security is important, so let's have people important to national security do nothing useful for the day? Your real motivation is clear: you want to suppress liberal voter turnout and want to use federal resources to do it.
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My motivation is clear. I want to suppress votes by illegals. You, on the other hand, do not. Let them vote. Hell, San Francisco even lets illegals vote in local elections.
 
Deuce said:
The police did investigate the guys in that picture. Turns out they weren't intimidating anyone, they were standing around. Most witnesses described them as very polite. Why, did Fox News not show you the video of them holding doors open for old ladies?
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Another example of many where the obama "apolitical" doj was weaponized against a specific group of people.

" A written statement by the party, issued Friday during a hearing of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, conceded that one member — Minister King Samir Shabazz — should not have brought a nightstick to a Philadelphia polling place on Election Day in November 2008, but described it as “an honest error.”

“What these Republican witch hunters repeatedly fail to mention is that the individual member involved in the nightstick incident was in fact legally penalized, and prohibited by law by Eric Holders Justice Department from polling places through 2012,” said the statement from Minister Hashim Nzinga, chief of staff to party leader Malik Zulu Shabazz.

“What these complainers against Attorney General Eric Holder also consistently fail to mention is that this member, who we believe made an honest error but still deviated from organizational policy on that day, was actually suspended from the New Black Panther Party until January 2010 as a result of this mishap,” it said. “The New Black Panther Party made it clear then and now we dont support voter intimidation.” "

I guess the BP failed to notice the old ladies being assisted as well.
 
Moderate Right said:
My motivation is clear. I want to suppress votes by illegals. You, on the other hand, do not. Let them vote. Hell, San Francisco even lets illegals vote in local elections.
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You don't want to save lives from shark attacks because you don't want to spend billions on shark cages for all swimmers!

Votes from illegal immigrants is too small a problem for such a large waste of resources. Come up with a method that fits the problem better and I'll consider it.

You want to hinder ICE. Why?
 
Deuce said:
You don't want to save lives from shark attacks because you don't want to spend billions on shark cages for all swimmers!

Votes from illegal immigrants is too small a problem for such a large waste of resources. Come up with a method that fits the problem better and I'll consider it.

You want to hinder ICE. Why?
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Again, you have a severe reading comprehension problem. I said we have ICE agents. I said, without hiring even one new one, we could station the ones we already have at strategic locations on election day where there were high populations of illegals.
 
Moderate Right said:
Again, you have a severe reading comprehension problem. I said we have ICE agents. I said, without hiring even one new one, we could station the ones we already have at strategic locations on election day where there were high populations of illegals.
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Which is wasting resources.
 
akyron said:
You must be tired from carrying those goalposts over and over.
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Nothing has changed. You just don't seem to be reading my posts.


Voter interference is illegal and should be prosecuted.
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Disenfranchising legitimate voters is unethical, and frequently unconstitutional, and should be stopped. It's also much more widespread and affects more people, by multiple orders of magnitude.


We have established this is a relatively unresearched subject as states fight tooth and nail to distribute the data. An argument could be made for them being on the right side of this as well.
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"We" have established no such thing. Quite the opposite, in fact. Republicans have spent years both ranting about voter fraud -- and running dozens of state election boards. Over and over, they find almost no fraud.

The research is quite clear that voter fraud is a myth.
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/trump-nominee-voter-fraud/540504/
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/06/20/voter-fraud-kris-kobach/
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/04/635668304/member-of-disbanded-trump-voter-fraud-commission-speaks-out


No one is claiming widespread chaos yet. Even if 3 mill out of 300mill is not a large percentage however it is significant enough to look into.
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3 million?!? There is nowhere NEAR that level of voter fraud in the US. Again, it's closer to 30 cases per year.


So far the ones dissuading away voters were thugs with batons.
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Only if you ignore decades of voter suppression, and numerous court rulings pointing out the myriad problems with those laws.
 
Deuce said:
The dude has literally spliced audio so, yeah, everything he does is 100% suspect.
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That's perfectly normal. He has hundreds of hours of audio to put together. Like usual, there is nothing you really have to say to explain away what that video shows. Scott Foval was fired, another member resigned, he explained in detail about how he organized mass illegal voting campaigns, he explained that others in the DNC did, and you have nothing to dispute this other than to attack audio splicing. If audio splicing was taking Scott Foval out-of-context, what was he trying to say? Because I'm close to 100% sure that he was actually talking about mass illegal voting.
 
Visbek said:
Nothing has changed. You just don't seem to be reading my posts.



Disenfranchising legitimate voters is unethical, and frequently unconstitutional, and should be stopped. It's also much more widespread and affects more people, by multiple orders of magnitude.



"We" have established no such thing. Quite the opposite, in fact. Republicans have spent years both ranting about voter fraud -- and running dozens of state election boards. Over and over, they find almost no fraud.

The research is quite clear that voter fraud is a myth.
https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/trump-nominee-voter-fraud/540504/
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/06/20/voter-fraud-kris-kobach/
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/04/635668304/member-of-disbanded-trump-voter-fraud-commission-speaks-out



3 million?!? There is nowhere NEAR that level of voter fraud in the US. Again, it's closer to 30 cases per year.



Only if you ignore decades of voter suppression, and numerous court rulings pointing out the myriad problems with those laws.
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More efforts in moving the goalposts.

Looks like the year was covered by your numbers in Texas for all the states last week. Guess everyone else can take a break now.

We already established there is much more than that by evidence and prosecutions. There is no need to push a false narrative anymore. You seem so hung up on party this and that you cannot see whats in front of your face. Or perhaps you are just for against citizens and for illegal voting. Either way...This is not a good look.

Four Women Indicted in North Texas Voter Fraud Ring

"Four women who are accused of targeting elderly voters in 2016 were indicted on 30 felony counts of voter fraud and arrested following an investigation by the office of the Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.

The defendants were members of an organized voter fraud ring and were paid to target elderly voters in certain northern Fort Worth precincts in a scheme to generate large numbers of mail ballots, then harvest those ballots for specific candidates, the office's news release said.
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